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    Default Naginata samurai vs Katana Samurai

    I think this is confusing becuase
    From my view, Naginata samurai is better than katana samurai
    Naginata samurai has better armor by 4 more, melee defense by 3-5 more? and bonus against cavaly 15.

    Katana samurai has better melee atk by 2-3 more? and better charge by 3 more.(but only by little comparing to what Nagainata has more)

    It seems to me that Nagainata is more useful, So i'm thinking would it be better to recuit only Nagainata?

    Could this be an unbalance?

    I can't try out by making them one on one and see which one will win becasuse since the battle needed a general which again give advantage to Naginata by bonus against cavaly on the gen.

    I dont know how the values of armor and melee atk def work. Is armor count for melee def too and how it compute with each other? (Armor+melee defense ) - melee atk or bow damage?
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    Recruit a general in custom battle, add Naginata Samurai, then disband the General unit (right click). Then do this for the opposing side with Katana Samurai

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    Have done this test before, katanas barely wins most of the time.
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    Hmm.. What about the bonuses from the tech tree? Would those put katana's into an advantage?
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    Katana Samurai are more suited to fighting other infantry, especially spear and missiles, but their weakness is cavalry. Naginata have neither bonus nor penalty; they're a more well-rounded unit, sort of a blend of Yari and Katana Samurai. They're what posters here call "tanking" units due to their high armour.
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    Hmm.. What about the bonuses from the tech tree? Would those put katana's into an advantage?
    Don't think so; any arts mastery that would benefit sword infantry, the same can be done to Naginata.
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    I've always fielded Naginata heavy armies. I honestly rarely even recruit Katana's, except as a means to punch through the enemy battle-line, as Naginata serve me well in every capacity that Katanas do, as well as a cavalry deterrent. They rarely fail me, especially supported by bow samurai.

    I would say that in an even match, Katana samurai would barely scr-ape (apparently s****e is censored because **** is censored. Dumb.) by a win, but in a real battle scenario, any sort of support and the Naginata will emerge victorious.
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    @Admiral666

    Don't think that the other side also have support, if it a equal match then it means if you can support so can I.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Admiral666 View Post
    I've always fielded Naginata heavy armies. I honestly rarely even recruit Katana's, except as a means to punch through the enemy battle-line, as Naginata serve me well in every capacity that Katanas do, as well as a cavalry deterrent. They rarely fail me, especially supported by bow samurai.
    I totally agree here, i find for the cost and the versatility the Naginata can't really be beaten. I find its easier to specialise in the spear tech tree since it benefits already existing Ashigaru and yari troops as well as Naginata. The sword line benefits less troops unless you build Katana early.

    I guess one benefit is that Katana Samurai are first tier troops which makes them powerful in the early game.
    I guess at the end of the day it comes down to player preference and balance, fielding Ashigaru and Naginata means you never have worry about enemy generals having much of an effect, but you do have to be conscious of missile troops. I find Bow Samurai/Monks counter this weakness perfectly.

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    to test them out just give rhem a general be the katanas and dismount the generals unit so the enemy naginatas wont have a bonus. or make each unit the general

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    As Takeda I rarely build either naginata or katana. I build a lot of katana cavalry. If you need to take out enemy spears I go near enemy spears and dismount them. They have better stats than katana too. If luckily horses don't get scared and run away, I can even remount them when you need to chase the routing units.

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