Its been a while, but I now have put up the next what if/could it? thread.
Yes, it returns to Operation Overlord, but its looking at an aspect I don't think anyone has looked at much:
The last thread on Overlord was If Rommel could have stopped the Invasion, had he been at his HQ instead of Germany on June 6.
With the 70th Anniversary of D-Day about a month away, I wanted to wait until then, but im going to be on vacation for the week before and im close to being swamped with schoolwork/finals atm, so I wanted to make this thread before I forgot my thoughts.
Many have looked at various ways in which D-Day could have failed, but not many have looked at the possibility if the Allies could have done better with Operation Overlord.
Most people see D-Day as an amazing success, with the disasters of the airborne mis-drops that ended up working to the Allies' advantage; and of course the horrific losses at Omaha Beach.
But Many things went very wrong on D-Day, alongside the two I just mentioned.
Ill show what I mean with a map:
this shows the D-Day Objective line, as in how far the Allies were supposed to have advanced by midnight, the actual advances show how far off they were. Caen, supposed to be taken on D-Day, did not fall until 2 months later.
Over a month later they had still only reached their day 5 objectives. Naturally, the Allies eventually broke out and advanced to Paris, but it took much longer than planned and cost many more lives
The primary failure of the Allies, in my opinion, was failing to recognize the Bocage, the massive maze of hedgerows that crisscrossed much of Normandy. They assumed they were the same as in England, but they were much taller and thicker, essentially tough walls of dirt and plants that are very tough to get through, and provided ideal terrain for the Wehrmacht and Waffen SS units to put up the furious defense that they did.
So, with this thread, I want to examine how the Allies could have Carried out Overlord more successfully then they actually did.
There are two possibilities here:
A) How the Allies could have been more successful with the actual Overlord Plan, meaning Invading Normandy on those beaches and with the same or very similar objectives. This includes things like: little or no mis-drops of airborne troops, leading to the airborne objectives, such as Carentan being more effectively taken; greater success of the Amphibious Tanks; More effective air and Naval Bombardment of the beaches, particularly Omaha
A completely different approach, such as a few alternatives I have thought of, or any that you can think of:
-Landing on both sides of the Cherbourg Peninsula in a Pincer to cut off the Port of Cherbourg and capture it quicker
-Landing On a completely different date, such as the original, May 19th, or a later date. Maybe even 1943 or 1945.
-Landing in the Pas de Calais, and focusing the deception effort, Operation Fortitude, on convincing the Germans that the landing would be in Normandy
As I have said, I don't think many have looked at this possibility, so I think this could make for a very interesting discussion thread
"we have officially entered into pre-whinning about our games."- CogreI will always respect differing opinions on here, so long as they are presented maturely and in a civil manner
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The WWI Thread: https://forums.totalwar.com/discussion/30914/why-a-world-war-i-themed-total-war/p1
I'm skipping TW: Warhammer