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Who uses swords men as Macedonia? learn the game please, they are a pikemen focussed faction lol
Macedon is a combined arms faction, they have serviceable units in almost every category and can have many a build which doesn't need to include pikemen at all.
Alright, in Rome 2 there are 2 types of balance related to multi-player. Unit Balance and Faction Balance. When I was saying that Thorax needed to be buffed I was referring to unit balance, as a UNIT they are not worth their money IMO.
Now many people are countering with the fact that Successor States are not Sword Factions. That I understand to an extent. Now if that is how the devs also feel about it. i would counter with dropping the price. Obviously many of you are opposed to this. But her eis my overall problem.
Pikes are not relevant in high level play outside of pike boxing. Macedon as someone pointed out is a Pike Faction as are most successor states. Now out side of boxing, which is ******ed and should never be considered a viable strategy pike oriented armies are too easily flanked and overwhelmed by sword rushes.
Thus we reach my problem. Without a chariot or elephant play. The Successor states are left with next to no options apart from camping and hopeing your inf last long enough for the missiles to do enough damage. Now before another person says use hoplies it wont work. Your archers will simple kill more hoplites then swords after they are engaged in melee. This is ofc ignoring the holes left in your army from hoplite formation, allowing enemy cav to go right into your archers.
Now once again before anyone says what about using your cav to block your enemies cav. I will say a few things. harder said then done. People pull through your cav constantly and it only takes one to ruin your skirmish line.
My natural response to these problems was to give the thorax a boost. As a pike fix is next to impossible, as the units themselves are well balanced but they as in reality are past the point where the phalanx can adjust to the ever more mobile battle field.
Also, this i my last post on this topic if CA feels the thorax could use a price reduction or stat boost (either of which I am fine with) then so let it be if not then hopefully they will fix pikes somehow so they can turn with there pikes in phalanx or something.
Mini Challenge
Now I will post this mini challenge although I would bet 5 dollars none of you brave keyboard warriors are willing to take me up on it. Go Macedon and beat my tylis. Only rules is no noob/pike boxing, or if you prefer tourney style rules. If you manage it on the first try I will personally gift the person any rome 2 dlc up 2 10 dollars of their choice.
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[-DF-] Skritshell: Hey whats up?
[-DF-] Chaos: about to start a tourney game
[-DF-] Skritshell: cool guy any good?
[-DF-] Chaos: Should win 2-0
[-DF-] Skritshell: and?
[-DF-] Chaos: lost 2-0
[-DF-] Skritshell: ahhh
[-DF-] Skritshell: well done
[-DF-] Chaos: ty
Someone already posted this comparison. Thorax swordsmen have almost the exact same stats as equally (actually slightly higher) priced units. So what are you talking about?
Someone already posted this comparison. Thorax swordsmen have almost the exact same stats as equally (actually slightly higher) priced units. So what are you talking about?
I think they are one of the best units in the game they are just so **** reliable in every situation. They last long enough against non super elite infantry and can hold up against missiles and cav for awhile. Plus you pop a couple of chevrons on em they can make even elites take awhile to beat them down. I mean I would love a buff just because they are my favorite unit in the game but do they need it? Not at all they are fine the way they are.
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Thorax swords are underpowered? Really? While we're at it why don't we buff those CLEARLY terrible chariots as well?
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Does the OP play the game? They are a medium class sword infantry that last forever and are CHEAP to field, they hold the line and do decent damage while giving you a chance to flank.
They are perfect for sieges, try besieging with an army of pikemen...
They are nice defenders too due to throwing javs.
I think they are an alround decent unit but im spamming pikemen with my Macedonian armies to be more Macedonian lol.
piff well Immortal you really should have seen Thorax swords before patch 9 then. They were absolute ****, they cost 640 and their stats were absolute garbage. Patch 9 buffed them considerably and now they are a very dang good sword unit. I honestly don't see where you are coming from lowering their cost or raising theirs stats would overall be quite dumb. They are fine where they are, they are not supposed to be able to beat Barbarian infantry. What they are is a good holding force and a very versatile sword unit. They are fine at the point they are now
Thorax swords are good but they're cheesy as hell. You can just pop the name of a faction in front of "Thorax swords" and change their Melee Atk/Weapon Dmg/Armor/Melee Def/ like chosen swordsmen and how they're different according to faction. What was CA thinking on the elephants . First of all, elephants were so close to perfect, you just needed to increase the difficulty for them to go berserk. The elephants did need a slight mass increase but now theyr're gonna go berserk from a volley of legionarie pilla and stomp on your own men with their increased mass.
I'm worried about Azat knights. They're currently the worst units in the game along with Indian armoured elephants.
Thorax swords are good but they're cheesy as hell. You can just pop the name of a faction in front of "Thorax swords" and change their Melee Atk/Weapon Dmg/Armor/Melee Def/ like chosen swordsmen and how they're different according to faction. What was CA thinking on the elephants . First of all, elephants were so close to perfect, you just needed to increase the difficulty for them to go berserk. The elephants did need a slight mass increase but now theyr're gonna go berserk from a volley of legionarie pilla and stomp on your own men with their increased mass.
I'm worried about Azat knights. They're currently the worst units in the game along with Indian armoured elephants.
Indian armored elephants weak What game or you playing they are nuts hard to kill now?????
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Now many people are countering with the fact that Successor States are not Sword Factions. That I understand to an extent. Now if that is how the devs also feel about it. i would counter with dropping the price. Obviously many of you are opposed to this. But her eis my overall problem.
Pikes are not relevant in high level play outside of pike boxing. Macedon as someone pointed out is a Pike Faction as are most successor states. Now out side of boxing, which is ******ed and should never be considered a viable strategy pike oriented armies are too easily flanked and overwhelmed by sword rushes.
Thus we reach my problem. Without a chariot or elephant play. The Successor states are left with next to no options apart from camping and hopeing your inf last long enough for the missiles to do enough damage. Now before another person says use hoplies it wont work. Your archers will simple kill more hoplites then swords after they are engaged in melee. This is ofc ignoring the holes left in your army from hoplite formation, allowing enemy cav to go right into your archers.
Now once again before anyone says what about using your cav to block your enemies cav. I will say a few things. harder said then done. People pull through your cav constantly and it only takes one to ruin your skirmish line.
My natural response to these problems was to give the thorax a boost. As a pike fix is next to impossible, as the units themselves are well balanced but they as in reality are past the point where the phalanx can adjust to the ever more mobile battle field.
Also, this i my last post on this topic if CA feels the thorax could use a price reduction or stat boost (either of which I am fine with) then so let it be if not then hopefully they will fix pikes somehow so they can turn with there pikes in phalanx or something.
Mini Challenge
Now I will post this mini challenge although I would bet 5 dollars none of you brave keyboard warriors are willing to take me up on it. Go Macedon and beat my tylis. Only rules is no noob/pike boxing, or if you prefer tourney style rules. If you manage it on the first try I will personally gift the person any rome 2 dlc up 2 10 dollars of their choice.
[-DF-] Skritshell: Hey whats up?
[-DF-] Chaos: about to start a tourney game
[-DF-] Skritshell: cool guy any good?
[-DF-] Chaos: Should win 2-0
[-DF-] Skritshell: and?
[-DF-] Chaos: lost 2-0
[-DF-] Skritshell: ahhh
[-DF-] Skritshell: well done
[-DF-] Chaos: ty
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They are nice defenders too due to throwing javs.
I think they are an alround decent unit but im spamming pikemen with my Macedonian armies to be more Macedonian lol.
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