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Naginata samurai vs Katana Samurai

totalmasktotalmask Senior MemberPosts: 164Registered Users
edited March 2013 in Total War: Shogun 2
I think this is confusing becuase
From my view, Naginata samurai is better than katana samurai
Naginata samurai has better armor by 4 more, melee defense by 3-5 more? and bonus against cavaly 15.

Katana samurai has better melee atk by 2-3 more? and better charge by 3 more.(but only by little comparing to what Nagainata has more)

It seems to me that Nagainata is more useful, So i'm thinking would it be better to recuit only Nagainata?

Could this be an unbalance?

I can't try out by making them one on one and see which one will win becasuse since the battle needed a general which again give advantage to Naginata by bonus against cavaly on the gen.

I dont know how the values of armor and melee atk def work. Is armor count for melee def too and how it compute with each other? (Armor+melee defense ) - melee atk or bow damage?
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  • DalkarDalkar Senior Member Posts: 359Registered Users
    edited April 2011
    Recruit a general in custom battle, add Naginata Samurai, then disband the General unit (right click). Then do this for the opposing side with Katana Samurai :)
  • SpycrabSpycrab Senior Member Posts: 1,373Registered Users
    edited April 2011
    Have done this test before, katanas barely wins most of the time.
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  • DameirDameir Senior Member Posts: 970Registered Users
    edited April 2011
    Hmm.. What about the bonuses from the tech tree? Would those put katana's into an advantage?
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  • daelin4daelin4 Senior Member Posts: 12,335Registered Users
    edited April 2011
    Katana Samurai are more suited to fighting other infantry, especially spear and missiles, but their weakness is cavalry. Naginata have neither bonus nor penalty; they're a more well-rounded unit, sort of a blend of Yari and Katana Samurai. They're what posters here call "tanking" units due to their high armour.
    Dameir wrote: »
    Hmm.. What about the bonuses from the tech tree? Would those put katana's into an advantage?
    Don't think so; any arts mastery that would benefit sword infantry, the same can be done to Naginata.
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  • Admiral666Admiral666 Junior Member Posts: 11Registered Users
    edited April 2011
    I've always fielded Naginata heavy armies. I honestly rarely even recruit Katana's, except as a means to punch through the enemy battle-line, as Naginata serve me well in every capacity that Katanas do, as well as a cavalry deterrent. They rarely fail me, especially supported by bow samurai.

    I would say that in an even match, Katana samurai would barely scr-ape (apparently s****e is censored because **** is censored. Dumb.) by a win, but in a real battle scenario, any sort of support and the Naginata will emerge victorious.
  • SpycrabSpycrab Senior Member Posts: 1,373Registered Users
    edited April 2011
    @Admiral666

    Don't think that the other side also have support, if it a equal match then it means if you can support so can I.
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  • dblancerdblancer Member Posts: 65Registered Users
    edited April 2011
    Admiral666 wrote: »
    I've always fielded Naginata heavy armies. I honestly rarely even recruit Katana's, except as a means to punch through the enemy battle-line, as Naginata serve me well in every capacity that Katanas do, as well as a cavalry deterrent. They rarely fail me, especially supported by bow samurai.

    I totally agree here, i find for the cost and the versatility the Naginata can't really be beaten. I find its easier to specialise in the spear tech tree since it benefits already existing Ashigaru and yari troops as well as Naginata. The sword line benefits less troops unless you build Katana early.

    I guess one benefit is that Katana Samurai are first tier troops which makes them powerful in the early game.
    I guess at the end of the day it comes down to player preference and balance, fielding Ashigaru and Naginata means you never have worry about enemy generals having much of an effect, but you do have to be conscious of missile troops. I find Bow Samurai/Monks counter this weakness perfectly.
  • senorbangbangsenorbangbang Junior Member Posts: 12Registered Users
    edited April 2011
    to test them out just give rhem a general be the katanas and dismount the generals unit so the enemy naginatas wont have a bonus. or make each unit the general
  • WargamerWargamer Senior Member Posts: 525Registered Users
    edited April 2011
    As Takeda I rarely build either naginata or katana. I build a lot of katana cavalry. If you need to take out enemy spears I go near enemy spears and dismount them. They have better stats than katana too. If luckily horses don't get scared and run away, I can even remount them when you need to chase the routing units.
  • WargamerWargamer Senior Member Posts: 525Registered Users
    edited April 2011
    I just ran a custom battle and dismounted takeda katana beat naginata twice their unit size one on one.
    However it will lose to katana due to their smaller size. If I put two of them to make the numbers the same they easily win of course.
  • jadesympathiserjadesympathiser Member Posts: 52Registered Users
    edited March 2013
    Personally I VASTLY prefer naginata. It performs more or the same as katana Sam but has that cavalry bonus. Plus extra armour means they don't get shot to pieces
  • damadman228damadman228 Senior Member Posts: 2,437Registered Users
    edited March 2013
    Why do you keep doing this? Sasu will close this thread anyway and you will receive another warning if you're lucky. If not, you will get banned.
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  • SasuSasu Moderator FinlandPosts: 8,842Registered Users, Moderators
    edited March 2013
    Thread closed.
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