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Bow hero useless?

QzlingQzling MemberPosts: 32Registered Users
edited April 2011 in Total War: Shogun 2
Anyone feel that bow hero is very week.

I did a test today with 1 bow hero unit Vs a katana hero unit. It came out katana hero lost 1 and routed the bow hero unit. the whole 200 meter that katana hero have to charge, they only lost 1 from the bow hero, yet they both cost 1600 each.
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  • AtticanAttican Senior Member Posts: 1,152Registered Users
    edited April 2011
    Ive managed to do some major damage to ashiguru units with bow heroes but never used them against anything with decent armor
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  • SergeorSergeor Senior Member Posts: 111Registered Users
    edited April 2011
    Don't test them together but test them against for example katana samurai.
  • TemplarTemplar Junior Member Posts: 9Registered Users
    edited April 2011
    You can only get one of each anyway.
  • CommenderCody1337CommenderCody1337 Junior Member Posts: 5Registered Users
    edited April 2011
    If your trying to kill a unit that has 9 armor or higher with any bowmen your wasting time and ammo really, naginata samurai are arrow proof beasts and same goes for katana hero who are also 9 armor.
  • spicykoreanspicykorean Senior Member Posts: 1,632Registered Users
    edited April 2011
    Bow hero are not useless... but yeah, I'd rather use the money and upkeep to get more bow sams or even a bow monk unit.
  • GrudgeNLGrudgeNL Senior Member Posts: 6,997Registered Users, Cakes!
    edited April 2011
    Errr to clear something up here. NO one should test Total War units against eachother in a 1 vs 1 battle. This aint something like Empire Earth. Units are not supposed to defeat one another in 1 vs 1 battles, UNLESS explained in Rock, paper and Scissors.

    In fact, these kind of units should be tested in a major battle without spamming one kind unit.

    It makes no sence either to fight a Cavalry unit against a Yari Ashigaru unit. Yet when 2 yari ashigaru units fight against Katana samurai, this cavalry unit can easily rout the yari ashigaru by charging them in the back.

    TW is not about invincible units. It's about tactics and how you use them.

    Another fun fact. Doesn't matter if they are bow heroes. Arrows just can't penetrate samurai armour that easily.
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  • daelin4daelin4 Senior Member Posts: 12,243Registered Users
    edited April 2011
    Testing them alone in "unit duels" is a rather poor way of testing their effectiveness, since most of the time you will have other units. In which case their abilities will factor in much more. Imagine the Bow Hero unit with Inspire showering arrows at a rapid rate on an enemy force while your spearmen guard the other side of a bridge. You won't find the average battle involvement a melee unit marching straight into a missile unit; rather you'll find armies with various units fulfilling various roles, including yari ashigaru screening missile troops and multiple archers. There they will be far more useful.
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  • GuardianOfBlindGuardianOfBlind Senior Member Posts: 947Registered Users
    edited April 2011
    I would expect katana hero beating bow hero in 1 vs 1 anyway, nothing wrong with that. Bow samurai also loose to katana samurai 1 vs 1
  • Holy.DeathHoly.Death Senior Member Posts: 453Registered Users
    edited April 2011
    Bow hero have their uses.

    They can outshoot any other archer unit in the game and should do well against monks, ashigarus or any poor armored unit (no-dachi) for that matter. Bow hero can be especially good if you need to kill fire rockets and they can force your enemy to attack or discourage his archers from engaging thus letting your men to come closer.
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  • SchepelSchepel Senior Member Posts: 1,157Registered Users
    edited April 2011
    Qzling wrote: »
    Anyone feel that bow hero is very week.

    I did a test today with 1 bow hero unit Vs a katana hero unit. It came out katana hero lost 1 and routed the bow hero unit. the whole 200 meter that katana hero have to charge, they only lost 1 from the bow hero, yet they both cost 1600 each.

    I'm sure this unit can skirmish.
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