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American Civil War Total War?

rmuls513rmuls513 Posts: 2Registered Users
Is there anyone else out there like me who would like a total war game for the time period of the American Civil War? Something along the lines of 1860-1890. To me this is something that would work out great. A game for a war and time period many find extremely interesting. I hope this is a possibility. Any thoughts?

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  • SiWISiWI Senior Member Posts: 5,083Registered Users
  • ValeliValeli Senior Member Posts: 1,553Registered Users
    edited November 2016
    I feed off the tears of the people who get so worked up they have to flag these posts immediately. Yum. Thanks, I hadn't quite had enough turkey last night, and this really tops me off.

    (You're not the first person to think of a civil war type deal though. It could certainly work, it wouldn't be all the different from napoleon/empire/FoTS. It's not my favorite era... but I'd probably buy it and have some fun.

    I'm honestly not sure what I want them to do next for a historical TW that /doesn't/ involve a sequal they refuse to create - for the moment, at least. I'd love med 3 or a polished Empire 2. And I'm sure I'll get it one day, with patience. But it's not in the cards for now.

    I do rather hope they don't try and take it in the direction of WW1 or 2. I'm interested in both of those, but don't feel they'd work well for TW. CA could always prove me wrong though, I guess. I'd be glad to be proven wrong if they insist on going down that path.

    So yeah, I'm actually not too opposed to your civil war idea. Would it have enough players though? I'm not a civil war expert, but as far as I know it's basically just two sides? With some very limited external involvement that probably wouldn't justify including factions? I'm not sure a 2-side game would make a good TW.)


    PS: Whoever flagged you that I poked fun at was right, this isn't the right forum for wish-listing future TW stuff outside of the WH series. Just saying.
  • GwydionGwydion Senior Member Posts: 1,620Registered Users
    edited November 2016
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  • Xenos7Xenos7 Posts: 443Registered Users
    edited November 2016
    rmuls513 said:

    Is there anyone else out there like me who would like a total war game for the time period of the American Civil War? Something along the lines of 1860-1890. To me this is something that would work out great. A game for a war and time period many find extremely interesting. I hope this is a possibility. Any thoughts?

    The main problem is the extremely limited number of factions. You could squeeze in native americans and european expeditionary forces, but beyond that? Would work way better as a mini-campaign for a victorian age TW.
  • TheGuardianOfMetalTheGuardianOfMetal Senior Member Posts: 1,849Registered Users
    edited November 2016
    Xenos said:

    rmuls513 said:

    Is there anyone else out there like me who would like a total war game for the time period of the American Civil War? Something along the lines of 1860-1890. To me this is something that would work out great. A game for a war and time period many find extremely interesting. I hope this is a possibility. Any thoughts?

    The main problem is the extremely limited number of factions. You could squeeze in native americans and european expeditionary forces, but beyond that? Would work way better as a mini-campaign for a victorian age TW.
    yep... Mini campaigns for suhc a game:
    US CIvil War
    German unification (German-Danish war, Austro-Prussian war, Franco-Prussian war)
    the colonial stuff in africa
    Crimean war

    any other ideas?
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  • UppslitarenUppslitaren Junior Member Posts: 424Registered Users
    edited November 2016
    There is a mod for Empire: total war called ACW (american civil war). It features both individual battles and grand campaign. The actual battles was quite fun, however It kept crashing constantly for me so I didn't bother much playing with it.
    Anyways I'd love American civil war as a total war game, the ACW mod made it interesting enough. Though like previously said, number of factions might be an issue. So extended it beyond the union vs confederate forces would be necessary.
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  • TotalWarChakaxTotalWarChakax Posts: 474Registered Users
    I would love for the next TW to be about the Mongols. It would provide with Asia, a bit of africa, and parts of europe
  • TheGuardianOfMetalTheGuardianOfMetal Senior Member Posts: 1,849Registered Users

    I would love for the next TW to be about the Mongols. It would provide with Asia, a bit of africa, and parts of europe

    in that regard: we could also go with a Medieval III with an Expansion that expands the Map of the world towards the east til Japan.... we would still have thew hole stuff but not only "parts" of Europe... there was enough going there during that time to have all of it
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  • Xenos7Xenos7 Posts: 443Registered Users

    Xenos said:

    rmuls513 said:

    Is there anyone else out there like me who would like a total war game for the time period of the American Civil War? Something along the lines of 1860-1890. To me this is something that would work out great. A game for a war and time period many find extremely interesting. I hope this is a possibility. Any thoughts?

    The main problem is the extremely limited number of factions. You could squeeze in native americans and european expeditionary forces, but beyond that? Would work way better as a mini-campaign for a victorian age TW.
    yep... Mini campaigns for suhc a game:
    US CIvil War
    German unification (German-Danish war, Austro-Prussian war, Franco-Prussian war)
    the colonial stuff in africa
    Crimean war

    any other ideas?
    Well, Italian unification. Boxer Rebellion. There is really a lot of small, contained conflict that would work well as a mini campaign.
  • TheGuardianOfMetalTheGuardianOfMetal Senior Member Posts: 1,849Registered Users
    Xenos said:

    Xenos said:

    rmuls513 said:

    Is there anyone else out there like me who would like a total war game for the time period of the American Civil War? Something along the lines of 1860-1890. To me this is something that would work out great. A game for a war and time period many find extremely interesting. I hope this is a possibility. Any thoughts?

    The main problem is the extremely limited number of factions. You could squeeze in native americans and european expeditionary forces, but beyond that? Would work way better as a mini-campaign for a victorian age TW.
    yep... Mini campaigns for suhc a game:
    US CIvil War
    German unification (German-Danish war, Austro-Prussian war, Franco-Prussian war)
    the colonial stuff in africa
    Crimean war

    any other ideas?
    Well, Italian unification. Boxer Rebellion. There is really a lot of small, contained conflict that would work well as a mini campaign.
    yes... i just remembered more of the "bigger" conflicts of that time that includes the bigger nations (Austria, Prussia/The Reich, France, US, Britain, Russia)
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  • PatriksevePatrikseve Member Posts: 745Registered Users
    edited November 2016
    They have said it will be a period they havent done before. So well see what it is. Im hoping victorian WW1 stuff. But Civil War of USA is not something they wont do. But it might be a bit to small for many people in terms of units, sides etc. On the other hand that Darthmodder guy is making a sequel to his first Civil War game. Looks promising since the first was good. Mongols could be one or Victorian/imperial/WW1 is my speculation but maybe China or something else could happen, we have no idea. :)

  • TheGuardianOfMetalTheGuardianOfMetal Senior Member Posts: 1,849Registered Users

    They have said it will be a period they havent done before. So well see what it is. Im hoping victorian WW1 stuff. But Civil War of USA is not something they wont do. But it might be a bit to small for many people in terms of units, sides etc. On the other hand that Darthmodder guy is making a sequel to his first Civil War game. Looks promising since the first was good. Mongols could be one or Victorian/imperial/WW1 is my speculation but maybe China or something else could happen, we have no idea. :)

    well... tbf they actually DID something in that time frame... Fall of hte Samurai
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  • UppslitarenUppslitaren Junior Member Posts: 424Registered Users
    edited November 2016

    They have said it will be a period they havent done before. So well see what it is. Im hoping victorian WW1 stuff. But Civil War of USA is not something they wont do. But it might be a bit to small for many people in terms of units, sides etc. On the other hand that Darthmodder guy is making a sequel to his first Civil War game. Looks promising since the first was good. Mongols could be one or Victorian/imperial/WW1 is my speculation but maybe China or something else could happen, we have no idea. :)

    A Total war WW1 game would have to be very different from real life in order to be fun to play.
    If the game is even close to be realistic, WW1 gameplay doesn't sound fun in my opinion. Casualties in WW1 came from roughly 75% artillery, about 15% was machineguns. I think normal rifles was about 2-3% or something of total casualties, at least in europe.
    So If CA does make a WW1 game it would have to be very different from what we know it was. Because WW1 was a complete bombarding camping fest and the following charge was usually massacred by machine guns :)
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  • HondlisHondlis Junior Member Posts: 161Registered Users
    I don't find it interesting at all.
  • TheGuardianOfMetalTheGuardianOfMetal Senior Member Posts: 1,849Registered Users

    They have said it will be a period they havent done before. So well see what it is. Im hoping victorian WW1 stuff. But Civil War of USA is not something they wont do. But it might be a bit to small for many people in terms of units, sides etc. On the other hand that Darthmodder guy is making a sequel to his first Civil War game. Looks promising since the first was good. Mongols could be one or Victorian/imperial/WW1 is my speculation but maybe China or something else could happen, we have no idea. :)

    A Total war WW1 game would have to be very different from real life in order to be fun to play.
    If the game is even close to be realistic, WW1 gameplay doesn't sound fun in my opinion. Casualties in WW1 came from roughly 75% artillery, about 15% was machineguns. I think normal rifles was about 2-3% or something of total casualties, at least in europe.
    So If CA does make a WW1 game it would have to be very different from what we know. Because WW1 was a complete bombarding camping fest and the following charge was usually massacred by machine guns :)
    also the whole battalion system of TW would need an overhaul i guess....
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  • MandalayMandalay Junior Member Posts: 152Registered Users
    WW1. Logistics, technology, economy, empire, and butchery.

    Not really the makings of a great tactical war game in here and the strategy of it is already at that stage where you know who's gonna win and just need to grind it out.

    Civil War is similar although there was more impact of battlefield tactics in this conflict. Even so, the lack of a navy or industrial base seriously skews the strategy.


  • KrunchKrunch Junior Member Posts: 704Registered Users
    edited November 2016
    I don't think we will see a standalone American Civl War TW, however if Victorian Total War does end up being a thing( yes please!) I could see the ACW being a Campaign pack for like 15 bucks.


    Also OP, you seem to have placed this in the wrong forum section by the way.
  • TheGuardianOfMetalTheGuardianOfMetal Senior Member Posts: 1,849Registered Users
    Krunch said:

    I don't think we will see a standalone American Civl War TW, however if Victorian Total War does end up being a thing( yes please!) I could see the ACW being a Campaign pack for like 15 bucks.


    Also OP, you seem to have placed this in the wrong forum section by the way.

    yes that's what i've ment with "mini campaigns" a few postes above... i'd really support ACW, German unification, Africa etc.
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  • KrunchKrunch Junior Member Posts: 704Registered Users
    edited November 2016

    Krunch said:

    I don't think we will see a standalone American Civl War TW, however if Victorian Total War does end up being a thing( yes please!) I could see the ACW being a Campaign pack for like 15 bucks.


    Also OP, you seem to have placed this in the wrong forum section by the way.

    yes that's what i've ment with "mini campaigns" a few postes above... i'd really support ACW, German unification, Africa etc.
    Africa would just be part of the Grand Campaign though, I do not think it needs to be a Mini-Campaign. I don't know enough about the specifics of German Unification to say whether it would be fun though. I think how I would like to see Victorian Total War would be the base game from 1837 to 1907(6 years after the titular characters death I know but its just to provide a nice number) and have an ACW campaign for 15$ as a sort of Imperator Augustus "Middle" campaign, I think a Napoleon ROTS style campaign pack could be cool though it could also just be another game coming as NTW2, but I would prefer a 20 Dollar campaign to a whole new game personally. Finally I think a FOTS/Attila standalone-yet-related WW1 game would come after. Potential Campaigns I would like to see are the Russo-Japanese War, and obviously the Crimean War, and If I had to choose it would be the Crimean war. The Italian Unification is cool and all but I don't think its grand enough frankly.
  • TheGuardianOfMetalTheGuardianOfMetal Senior Member Posts: 1,849Registered Users
    edited November 2016
    Krunch said:

    Krunch said:

    I don't think we will see a standalone American Civl War TW, however if Victorian Total War does end up being a thing( yes please!) I could see the ACW being a Campaign pack for like 15 bucks.


    Also OP, you seem to have placed this in the wrong forum section by the way.

    yes that's what i've ment with "mini campaigns" a few postes above... i'd really support ACW, German unification, Africa etc.
    Africa would just be part of the Grand Campaign though, I do not think it needs to be a Mini-Campaign. I don't know enough about the specifics of German Unification to say whether it would be fun though. I think how I would like to see Victorian Total War would be the base game from 1837 to 1907(6 years after the titular characters death I know but its just to provide a nice number) and have an ACW campaign for 15$ as a sort of Imperator Augustus "Middle" campaign, I think a Napoleon ROTS style campaign pack could be cool though it could also just be another game coming as NTW2, but I would prefer a 20 Dollar campaign to a whole new game personally. Finally I think a FOTS/Attila standalone-yet-related WW1 game would come after. Potential Campaigns I would like to see are the Russo-Japanese War, and obviously the Crimean War, and If I had to choose it would be the Crimean war. The Italian Unification is cool and all but I don't think its grand enough frankly.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unification_of_Germany

    3 wars and turning the "Deutscher Bund" into The Austria-Hungarian and hte German Empire... good enough i'd say...it's afterall the reformation of 2 of hte grand powers of their time

    1848: Revolts across the German Confederation, such as in Berlin, Dresden and Frankfurt, forced King Frederick William IV of Prussia to grant a constitution to the Confederation. In the meantime, the Frankfurt Parliament was set up in 1848 and attempted to proclaim a united Germany, but this was refused by William IV. The question of a united Germany under the Kleindeutsch solution (to exclude Austria) or the so-called Großdeutsch (to include Austria) began to surface.
    1861–62: King Wilhelm I became King of Prussia and he appointed Otto von Bismarck on 23 September 1862, Minister President and Foreign Minister, who favoured a 'blood-and-iron' policy to create a united Germany under the leadership of Prussia.
    1864: The Danish-Prussian War started as Prussia protested against Danish incorporation of Schleswig into the Kingdom of Denmark. The Austrian Empire was deliberately drawn into this war by Otto von Bismarck, Chancellor of Prussia. The Austro-Prussian victory led to Schleswig, the northern part, being governed by Prussia and Holstein, the southern part, being governed by Austria, as per the Treaty of Vienna (1864).
    1866: Bismarck accused the Austrian Empire of stirring up troubles in Prussian-held Schleswig. Prussian troops drove into Austrian-held Holstein and took control of the entire state of Schleswig-Holstein. Austria declared war on Prussia and, after fighting the Austro-Prussian War (Seven Weeks' War), was swiftly defeated. The Treaty of Prague (1866) formally dissolved the German Confederation and Prussia created the North German Confederation to include all Germanic states except the pro-French, southern kingdoms of Bavaria, Baden and Württemberg.
    1870: When the French emperor, Napoleon III, demanded territories of the Rhineland in return for his neutrality amid the Austro-Prussian War, Bismarck used the Spanish Succession Question (1868) and Ems Telegram (1870) as an opportunity to incorporate the southern kingdoms. Napoleon III declared war against Prussia.
    1871: The Franco-Prussian War ended with Prussian troops capturing Paris, the capital of the Second French Empire. Bavaria, Baden, and Württemberg were incorporated into the North German Confederation in the Treaty of Frankfurt (1871). Bismarck then proclaimed King Wilhelm I, now Kaiser Wilhelm I, as leader of the new, united Germany (German Reich). With the German troops remaining in Paris, Napoleon III dissolved the French Empire and a new republic, the Third French Republic, was created under Adolphe Thiers.

    i'd build it up with actual goals for the whole stuff... atleast when playing as Prussia... it'd start 1848 where you'd have to put down the revolts, built up... than the Danish-Prussian war breaks out... etc. etc.

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    also the Death Ride of von Bredow already woul be quite nice to have as part of a historical battle
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Mars-la-Tour#Von_Bredow.27s_.22Death_Ride.22
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  • rmuls513rmuls513 Posts: 2Registered Users
    Anyone accusing me of spam or posting this as sarcasm simply needs to look at when I registered an account on here. It was at 5:10 PM on November 25, 2016. I am new to the total war community and had no idea that such a concept is something discussed often. I have had the games for years but I am only now looking into the community. In addition, I was unaware that there is a mod for the Civil War. Does anyone have a link and/or explanation of how to download such a mod for Empire or Napoleon which I have on steam?
  • UppslitarenUppslitaren Junior Member Posts: 424Registered Users
    edited November 2016
    rmuls513 said:

    Anyone accusing me of spam or posting this as sarcasm simply needs to look at when I registered an account on here. It was at 5:10 PM on November 25, 2016. I am new to the total war community and had no idea that such a concept is something discussed often. I have had the games for years but I am only now looking into the community. In addition, I was unaware that there is a mod for the Civil War. Does anyone have a link and/or explanation of how to download such a mod for Empire or Napoleon which I have on steam?

    I found it here:
    http://www.moddb.com/mods/american-civil-war-the-blue-and-the-grey

    I haven't tried it in windows 10 or anything, or tried it in the past year, but it was a bit buggy when I played it and the game kept crashing. I would rather play the american civil war as it's own game or expansion to an existing game. I think it's been like 2 years since they update it last. So your original question has merit.
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  • CommisarCommisar Senior Member Posts: 802Registered Users
    I do think Victoria is quite possibly the next historic TW. They can re-use stuff from previous games, Attila brings colonisation and FotS brings rifles, revolers, gattling guns, coastal bombardment and trains.

    With how much support CA seems to be throwing at Warhammer there is likely enough time for them to develop a map of the world with a good range of nations. Then of course their DLC policy where they can easily add nation unlocks and micro campaigns for regions
  • daelin4daelin4 Senior Member Posts: 12,959Registered Users
    Black slavery and the fact that it's a rather binary conflict prevents this from being something CA would delve into.

    I mean most Civil War games focus on the battles more than campaign/ settlement managements.

    Having read up on social history of that time, I do know it's rather trivial and honestly irrational to get too sensitive about this subject, but not everyone feels that way.

    In a way that's not even the most important problem with a Civil War TW game. You already got the more obvious game mechanic issues like factions unit roster.
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  • UppslitarenUppslitaren Junior Member Posts: 424Registered Users
    daelin4 said:

    Black slavery and the fact that it's a rather binary conflict prevents this from being something CA would delve into.

    I mean most Civil War games focus on the battles more than campaign/ settlement managements.

    Having read up on social history of that time, I do know it's rather trivial and honestly irrational to get too sensitive about this subject, but not everyone feels that way.

    In a way that's not even the most important problem with a Civil War TW game. You already got the more obvious game mechanic issues like factions unit roster.


    But slavery and opression was present in the world during the period Empire - total war takes place as well, but CA still made a game about it.
    Besides. It's worth pointing out that the American civil war did not start because of the Slavery question, it was not a factor for starting the war. Abraham Lincoln has been quoted many times on this and said war aim for the Northern states was to preseve the union, not to free the slaves. The slavery issue occurred long into the war and partly because the Confederates was doing much better than the Union thought they would, so any slave is freed if he fights for them. Lincoln even went as far as to say:

    "f I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that. What I do about slavery, and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save the Union; "
    Source: http://www.abrahamlincolnonline.org/lincoln/speeches/greeley.htm

    People nowadays do seem to be under the impression nowadays that the south only wanted the war because they wanted to keep slaves and the north only fought the war to stop slavery. Thats simply false history, but I can see CA avoiding this war to avoid controversy if nothing else.

    To the original poster or others who might be interested in this war, I can recommend Ultimate General: Civil War (2016). It's a very tactical RTS game and made by the same people who made the great game Ultimate General: gettysburg. It's available on steam for 28 euros.
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    Let's not get any further into a potentially political discussion. Thanks.
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