Norsca needs more model variation

ChaosDragonBorn

Out of all the clone unit models, the marauders seem to be the worse. I like when game Devs. create the illusion of variation with different colors, beard or no beard, and different hair. I'm not asking for every unit model to be completely different, but the marauders are way too similar. It doesn't pass any eye test. So here's some inspiration. I hope your artists aren't too bothered with doing this.

ChaosDragonBorn

What I mean by the eye test is this:
The empire passes because they are very uniform and organized. No one is supposed to stand out anyway.
The wood elves even pass the eye test because thay are uniform and color coordinated. Very thematic.
The beastmen pass the test to me as well. I use a mod that recolors them and this mod will stay in my game. Beastmen Color Variations http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=733468827&searchtext=beastmen

The chaos marauders simply can not be recolored. Obviously you can recolor them, but it will not work. It will not pass the variation illusion test when looking at the units in action.

CA, they look barbaric, but they are too coordinated and similar like a state military. They need to look less like an actual unit and more like a horde barbaric individuals.

Check the video out. Check out her channel too, she does a lot of those montages.

Combat_Wombat

Yup. They really need to be less like Discount Conans and more like vikingesque invaders. And they need to invest in some goddamn warhorses! What is with their pony obsession?

ChaosDragonBorn

LOL
They are nice models, but the clones are a too much. They can't get away with it like the other races can. They don't even have different hair color CA!

ChaosDragonBorn

Here you go CA! Please consider giving them more variation.

Aardwolf

My, those marauder heads look bad-donkey... I second this post, we need more marauder hair and beards!

KGpoopy

Those head variants are amazing. But you know people are going to want their preferred race to get more variants if this gets through right? I agree that the marauders specifically need more variants, but I don't think CA will do it.
There are too many excuses to not put any effort into anymore model variants.

Making this would be more than required. The artists are probably assigned to make 3 to 4 variants per race. I think the wood elves and beastmen have even less(2 max).

Somebody will see that the marauders got more variants and will request that the dwarves get more variants or something. Maybe even request that all other races get more variants. Which is why I think it won't happen really, combined with my reasoning above. CA will not go out of their way to do something like this. I know it's pessimistic but I've grown accustom to CA's ways lol.

ChaosDragonBorn

If you look at the armies across the board, most of them have different hair color, mustaches, no beard, with beard etc. On top of that they may have 2 or 3 different color schemes on their uniform. For the most part only 2.
Marauders on the other hand...well look at the concept art, the video, and the head variants. The Norsan barbarians are a not supposed to be color coordinated. They are the only race that can't get away with being clones. The helmets don't even hide the clones. They are hordes of thousands of men of varying tribes and nations. Look at the video, and then look at the head variants. Now look at what CA did.

Yes CA did a good job with the models themselves, but it's not enough. They don't pass the eye test. They are too similar. They don't pass the illusion test.

Combat_Wombat said:

Yup. They really need to be less like Discount Conans and more like vikingesque invaders. And they need to invest in some goddamn warhorses! What is with their pony obsession?

Well when you are that big you make your poor horse look like a pony.

ChaosDragonBorn

Oh, I forgot to mention that the marauders need tattoos.

GunKing

Wood Elves are in the same boat. Eternal Guard are literally a clone army. Ought to have at least SOME variance in hair color.

But I agree. Norsca variety would be great. I think CA did variety best when it came to Empire, Greenskins and Chaos.

KGpoopy

I don't know, the elves look good to me. Reminds me of Lord of the rings. I think beastmen and chaos are the worse offenders.

Just so happens that WE, BM, and WoC are DLC .

Combat_Wombat

... I wish Chaos helmets swapped across more models units. Half of the chaos warriors are bald. Not a pretty sight

ChaosDragonBorn

GunKing said:

Wood Elves are in the same boat. Eternal Guard are literally a clone army. Ought to have at least SOME variance in hair color.

But I agree. Norsca variety would be great. I think CA did variety best when it came to Empire, Greenskins and Chaos.

KGpoopy said:

I don't know, the elves look good to me. Reminds me of Lord of the rings. I think beastmen and chaos are the worse offenders.

Just so happens that WE, BM, and WoC are DLC .

Look for the "Beastmen Color Variations" and "Wood Elves Unit Variations" mods. The former has texture problems since the last update and the WE's mod works. Both are essential for me. But there is nothing mods can or have done to fix the silliness of the marauders and the chaos warriors. The other units in the roster are fine, they are wearing helmets or they are a monster.
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=824581936

The chaos warriors and marauders need more head variations. And they should have chaos tattoos. I would pay for more variation for them because Chaos and Empire are my favorite factions. At least give them different hair colors. Just like the empire units.

KGpoopy

ChaosDragonBorn said:

GunKing said:

Wood Elves are in the same boat. Eternal Guard are literally a clone army. Ought to have at least SOME variance in hair color.

But I agree. Norsca variety would be great. I think CA did variety best when it came to Empire, Greenskins and Chaos.

KGpoopy said:

I don't know, the elves look good to me. Reminds me of Lord of the rings. I think beastmen and chaos are the worse offenders.

Just so happens that WE, BM, and WoC are DLC .

But there is nothing mods can or have done to fix the silliness of the marauders and the chaos warriors. The other units in the roster are fine, they are wearing helmets or they are a monster.

The chaos warriors and marauders need more head variations. And they should have chaos tattoos. I would pay for more variation for them because Chaos and Empire are my favorite factions. At least give them different hair colors. Just like the empire units.

There is a mod that makes them all wear a helmet, but it's a very very lame fix for a AAA company to rely on.

KGpoopy

Combat_Wombat said:

... I wish Chaos helmets swapped across more models units. Half of the chaos warriors are bald. Not a pretty sight

so many mohawks......so many bald heads......

Combat_Wombat

I bet every one of them is named Bjorn too.

Rifugio

Bjorn Again (which is also the name of my Norse Bloodbowl team).

I'll get my coat.

TheGuardianOfMetal

Combat_Wombat said:

I bet every one of them is named Bjorn too.

nah

ChaosDragonBorn

EXACTLY

Olaf them Olafs have different colored beards too. Take some notes CA.

KGpoopy

ChaosDragonBorn said:

EXACTLY

Olaf them Olafs have different colored beards too. Take some notes CA.

Oh please.

Asking CA to make model variation is like asking them to move mountains and grow wings and fly. I remember an Angry Joe(youtuber) interview/gameplay with early TWwarhammer and he noticed the lack of variation, or was concerned about it. The guy couldn't directly answer the question and they STILL didn't making much model variation. Just look at the wood elves, beastmen and chaos. You would think the artist love making variation and cool models to go with unit. You would think they hate the clones as much as folks in the community do.

ChaosDragonBorn

KGpoopy said:

ChaosDragonBorn said:

EXACTLY

Olaf them Olafs have different colored beards too. Take some notes CA.

Oh please.

Asking CA to make model variation is like asking them to move mountains and grow wings and fly. I remember an Angry Joe(youtuber) interview/gameplay with early TWwarhammer and he noticed the lack of variation, or was concerned about it. The guy couldn't directly answer the question and they STILL didn't making much model variation. Just look at the wood elves, beastmen and chaos. You would think the artist love making variation and cool models to go with unit. You would think they hate the clones as much as folks in the community do.

So it's like asking the CA programmers to script a script that makes a script program script and label codes for scripting?

Joking aside, that's why I said in the OP that I hope the artists are not too bothered with doing this. Becasue I know it would be doing something apparently more than required of them.

Combat_Wombat

ChaosDragonBorn said:

KGpoopy said:

ChaosDragonBorn said:

EXACTLY

Olaf them Olafs have different colored beards too. Take some notes CA.

Oh please.

Asking CA to make model variation is like asking them to move mountains and grow wings and fly. I remember an Angry Joe(youtuber) interview/gameplay with early TWwarhammer and he noticed the lack of variation, or was concerned about it. The guy couldn't directly answer the question and they STILL didn't making much model variation. Just look at the wood elves, beastmen and chaos. You would think the artist love making variation and cool models to go with unit. You would think they hate the clones as much as folks in the community do.

So it's like asking the CA programmers to script a script that makes a script program script and label codes for scripting?

Joking aside, that's why I said in the OP that I hope the artists are not too bothered with doing this. Becasue I know it would be doing something apparently more than required of them.

Nothing in this game has struck me as CA doing more than they needed to.