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Btw if they were going with 6th edition the least the could have done is give her the full Lore of Dark magic.I find it rather silly that generic sorceress somehow know more dark magic than the founder of the magic lore.
Faulty reasoning.
Just because you first came up with something doesn't mean that you'll be necessarily proficient in every possible future aspect of your creation. Kazuki Takahashi provided the basis of the Yugi Oh TCG, but about 90% or even more of the cards used nowadays there have nothing to do with what he came up originally.
Ok let my put this way the first and one of the most knowledgeable about the damn lore who thought it to Malekith,Ariel and teaches the most powerful sorceress in Ghornd not knowing her full lore compared to some generic caster knowing the whole of it .Better?
George Lucas came up with Star Wars and is arguably less knowledgeable about it than many fans. Your reasoning is still faulty. Who knows, Morathi might simply have other priorities than knowing every single possible Dark Lore spell since not all spells in any lore are also equally useful.
Urgh are you trolling me?Reread what i said she thought them everything they know.Also even if it was the case she doesn't even know the signature spell of the lore which is the doombolt
She had fought beside Aenarion in the days of her youth, killing daemons, slaughtering the enemies of her people with wild abandon. She had cast spells and brewed poisons and worked out battle strategies for his armies. She had used her gift of visions to grant the elves victories innumerable.
The so-called high elves had forgotten that now, preferring to cast her as the villain in the simple-minded morality plays they so enjoyed since her son had sundered the realm. They had no idea what it had cost to win those battles back when all thought the world was ending, or the price she had paid for victory.
Part of the Problem with Chaos Morathi is that Chaos Morathi doesn't lead a Dark Elf Army, she leads a Hung army with Dark Elf Sorceresses and Slaaneshi Deamons.
If they are going to go with the Cults of Pleasure version of Morathi they should at least do it right.
This is actually how I was introduced to Morathi from material published in 2006.
Part of the Problem with Chaos Morathi is that Chaos Morathi doesn't lead a Dark Elf Army, she leads a Hung army with Dark Elf Sorceresses and Slaaneshi Deamons.
If they are going to go with the Cults of Pleasure version of Morathi they should at least do it right.
This is actually how I was introduced to Morathi from material published in 2006.
You could take dark elves in the army. I loathe to link 4chan wiki but it's accurate in terms of stats.
Morathi is fine as she is, there is lore to support it, more than some Bretonnian units.
Again show me a single piece of lore where she does what is depicted in the game and i will be pleased.The only lore that might support is Storm of Chaos which was retconed into oblivion.You just refuse to admit CA can be in the wrong anywhere and excuse everything they do
She had fought beside Aenarion in the days of her youth, killing daemons, slaughtering the enemies of her people with wild abandon. She had cast spells and brewed poisons and worked out battle strategies for his armies. She had used her gift of visions to grant the elves victories innumerable.
The so-called high elves had forgotten that now, preferring to cast her as the villain in the simple-minded morality plays they so enjoyed since her son had sundered the realm. They had no idea what it had cost to win those battles back when all thought the world was ending, or the price she had paid for victory.
Morathi is fine as she is, there is lore to support it, more than some Bretonnian units.
Again show me a single piece of lore where she does what is depicted in the game and i will be pleased.The only lore that might support is Storm of Chaos which was retconed into oblivion.You just refuse to admit CA can be in the wrong anywhere and excuse everything they do
Haha. What? @Ephraim_Dalton and I have clashed many, many times over me being generally anti-CA. This is insane. CA makes mistakes all the time. The massive amount of simplified features in this game is a huge mistake. Morathi worshipping Chaos simply isn't one of them.
Morathi is fine as she is, there is lore to support it, more than some Bretonnian units.
Again show me a single piece of lore where she does what is depicted in the game and i will be pleased.The only lore that might support is Storm of Chaos which was retconed into oblivion.You just refuse to admit CA can be in the wrong anywhere and excuse everything they do
Haha. What? @Ephraim_Dalton and I have clashed many, many times over me being generally anti-CA. This is insane. CA makes mistakes all the time. The massive amount of simplified features in this game is a huge mistake. Morathi worshipping Chaos simply isn't one of them.
You just state that without any proof .So It is just you not caring or knowing about the lore enough then.Her goal was never to spread chaos corruption or more exactly chaos wastes as depicted in the game.Also from gameplay perspective is recycling the same old boring chaos mechanic is lazy and uninspired to say the least.
She had fought beside Aenarion in the days of her youth, killing daemons, slaughtering the enemies of her people with wild abandon. She had cast spells and brewed poisons and worked out battle strategies for his armies. She had used her gift of visions to grant the elves victories innumerable.
The so-called high elves had forgotten that now, preferring to cast her as the villain in the simple-minded morality plays they so enjoyed since her son had sundered the realm. They had no idea what it had cost to win those battles back when all thought the world was ending, or the price she had paid for victory.
Part of the Problem with Chaos Morathi is that Chaos Morathi doesn't lead a Dark Elf Army, she leads a Hung army with Dark Elf Sorceresses and Slaaneshi Deamons.
If they are going to go with the Cults of Pleasure version of Morathi they should at least do it right.
This is actually how I was introduced to Morathi from material published in 2006.
You could take dark elves in the army. I loathe to link 4chan wiki but it's accurate in terms of stats.
All the same she leads a Hybrid army is Storm of Chaos as Queen of the Cult of Pleasure but that is not how her cult is represented in TWWH2, if they really want to go with her old version they should go all the way not just partially.
Certainly certain Dark Elf things are also excluded from her Storm of Chaos List because they represent elements of Dark Elf society opposed to Chaos Worship.
Part of the Problem with Chaos Morathi is that Chaos Morathi doesn't lead a Dark Elf Army, she leads a Hung army with Dark Elf Sorceresses and Slaaneshi Deamons.
If they are going to go with the Cults of Pleasure version of Morathi they should at least do it right.
This is actually how I was introduced to Morathi from material published in 2006.
You could take dark elves in the army. I loathe to link 4chan wiki but it's accurate in terms of stats.
You just state that without any proof .So It is just you not caring or knowing about the lore enough then.Her goal was never to spread chaos corruption or more exactly chaos wastes as depicted in the game.Also from gameplay perspective is recycling the same old boring chaos mechanic is lazy and uninspired to say the least.
You've made 3 points. I will now discuss them all. 1. This isn't a 1:1 adaptation of the Warhammer world, and it was never meant to be. You can see from the maps that it isn't. Why is Morathi suddenly more important than the Halflings not existing, or there only being 2 Vampire Bloodlines, or the map being wrong? Hint: she's not. It's just another thing CA changed, and with lore valuation in it. She was the leader of a Chaos cult. 2. Sure, and guess what, I bet its not in game either. She is "using" Chaos to help her and Malekith. However, they are using her back. 3. Sure. I agree here in the sense that they should have changed the appearance of it, but its fine that she spreads it.
Also @shinros Her being describe as leading a Hung army comes from publications 2 year after the Storm of Chaos so offer a more evolved incarnation of the cults of pleasure and what they represented.
You just state that without any proof .So It is just you not caring or knowing about the lore enough then.Her goal was never to spread chaos corruption or more exactly chaos wastes as depicted in the game.Also from gameplay perspective is recycling the same old boring chaos mechanic is lazy and uninspired to say the least.
You've made 3 points. I will now discuss them all. 1. This isn't a 1:1 adaptation of the Warhammer world, and it was never meant to be. You can see from the maps that it isn't. Why is Morathi suddenly more important than the Halflings not existing, or there only being 2 Vampire Bloodlines, or the map being wrong? Hint: she's not. It's just another thing CA changed, and with lore valuation in it. She was the leader of a Chaos cult. 2. Sure, and guess what, I bet its not in game either. She is "using" Chaos to help her and Malekith. However, they are using her back. 3. Sure. I agree here in the sense that they should have changed the appearance of it, but its fine that she spreads it.
1, If you want to add something do it right halflings included.It got retconed and the only reason i can think of adding it back while still having the whole elven pantheon was to try and please the biggest amounts of people by trying to have the best from both worlds which rarely works well in my opinion. 2 The same argument can be made for Malekith why doesn't he spread chaos cause you know he does use chaos for his own goals. 3.I prefer it not present at all but if they insist on making it they should have at least tried and make it unique typ of corruption for her like the skaven and vampire one
She had fought beside Aenarion in the days of her youth, killing daemons, slaughtering the enemies of her people with wild abandon. She had cast spells and brewed poisons and worked out battle strategies for his armies. She had used her gift of visions to grant the elves victories innumerable.
The so-called high elves had forgotten that now, preferring to cast her as the villain in the simple-minded morality plays they so enjoyed since her son had sundered the realm. They had no idea what it had cost to win those battles back when all thought the world was ending, or the price she had paid for victory.
2. Sure, and guess what, I bet its not in game either. She is "using" Chaos to help her and Malekith. However, they are using her back.
Yeah helping Malekith by damaging his armies and causing public order problems in his lands.
Anyway it is just one more thing I have to try and change in a mod because it is obvious that CA and GW agree on an interpretation I don't.
Tacitus Quotes:
Auferre, trucidare, rapere, falsis nominibus imperium; atque, ubi solitudinem faciunt, pacem appellant.
They plunder, they slaughter, and they steal: this they falsely name Empire, and where they make a wasteland, they call it peace.
Corruptissima re publica plurimae leges.
The more numerous the laws, the more corrupt the government.
I found Rome a city of filth covered marble and left it a pile of rubble. - Me
Most (all of them to be honest) of augments for making Morathi chaos follower were discussed (and mostly repealed) earlier in this thread, so please look few pages back. No one likes to repeat himself over and over again just for sake of it.
I think the big problem is just with how corruption is depicted, it's not subtle at all and just scream CHAOS BE HERE and that's it.
Corruption could be a really good thing for the faction if it was changed from the same attrition hellscape to a mechanic providing bonuses to the faction, like recruitment cost or agents success chance.
Corruption from the Cult of Pleasure should just depict Morathi's influence, not associate her to chaos, she isn't a pawn to anyone.
2. Sure, and guess what, I bet its not in game either. She is "using" Chaos to help her and Malekith. However, they are using her back.
Yeah helping Malekith by damaging his armies and causing public order problems in his lands.
It's better to wait with Malekith's co-op games, until an new legendary lords get added.
you will be waiting a while, no sign of DE FLC at all and no word on DLC either. So yeah
Morathi's co-op campaign with the Beastmen in mortal empires would be available before that?
Can you do co-op with different races?
If you are coop you must be the same race. Thus his comment I should wait until the next Druchii LL is released.
Edit: For the Vortex Campaign.
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Tacitus Quotes:
Auferre, trucidare, rapere, falsis nominibus imperium; atque, ubi solitudinem faciunt, pacem appellant.
They plunder, they slaughter, and they steal: this they falsely name Empire, and where they make a wasteland, they call it peace.
Corruptissima re publica plurimae leges.
The more numerous the laws, the more corrupt the government.
I found Rome a city of filth covered marble and left it a pile of rubble. - Me
Most (all of them to be honest) of augments for making Morathi chaos follower were discussed (and mostly repealed) earlier in this thread, so please look few pages back. No one likes to repeat himself over and over again just for sake of it.
You say that and yet Morathi is a Chaos worshiper ingame, clearly TCA (and probably GW) thought there was something to it. Nothing's been "repealed", you're just trying to offhandedly shut down people who disagree with you.
I can go with Morathi spreading chaos corruption but as a drawback. Like, she spreads it and you have to manage it and try not to let it go too high. But as core "positive" mechanic that also applies to lords she recruits ? Nah it feels really wrong.
But if only that was it... no, she also has Death Hag from the Khainite cult spreading it too. Now that is some SERIOUS BS ! While we're at it, why not make Lizardmen spread chaos corruption aswell ? *CA* : Oh yeah that would be cool for diversity...
I can go with Morathi spreading chaos corruption but as a drawback. Like, she spreads it and you have to manage it and try not to let it go too high. But as core "positive" mechanic that also applies to lords she recruits ? Nah it feels really wrong.
But if only that was it... no, she also has Death Hag from the Khainite cult spreading it too. Now that is some SERIOUS BS ! While we're at it, why not make Lizardmen spread chaos corruption aswell ? *CA* : Oh yeah that would be cool for diversity...
Her ones spread it and malekith's ones cleanse it.
Nagash: When Nagash reaches out to crush his enemies, it is with a million hands. When Nagash seeks out his prey, it is with a million eyes.....
I can go with Morathi spreading chaos corruption but as a drawback. Like, she spreads it and you have to manage it and try not to let it go too high. But as core "positive" mechanic that also applies to lords she recruits ? Nah it feels really wrong.
But if only that was it... no, she also has Death Hag from the Khainite cult spreading it too. Now that is some SERIOUS BS ! While we're at it, why not make Lizardmen spread chaos corruption aswell ? *CA* : Oh yeah that would be cool for diversity...
Her ones spread it and malekith's ones cleanse it.
Malekith is doing better job at it then the Vampire Counts, that's for sure.
I can go with Morathi spreading chaos corruption but as a drawback. Like, she spreads it and you have to manage it and try not to let it go too high. But as core "positive" mechanic that also applies to lords she recruits ? Nah it feels really wrong.
But if only that was it... no, she also has Death Hag from the Khainite cult spreading it too. Now that is some SERIOUS BS ! While we're at it, why not make Lizardmen spread chaos corruption aswell ? *CA* : Oh yeah that would be cool for diversity...
Her ones spread it and malekith's ones cleanse it.
Yeah and that's nonsense.
Both should cleanse it. Or don't do anything about it for Morathi's.
I can go with Morathi spreading chaos corruption but as a drawback. Like, she spreads it and you have to manage it and try not to let it go too high. But as core "positive" mechanic that also applies to lords she recruits ? Nah it feels really wrong.
But if only that was it... no, she also has Death Hag from the Khainite cult spreading it too. Now that is some SERIOUS BS ! While we're at it, why not make Lizardmen spread chaos corruption aswell ? *CA* : Oh yeah that would be cool for diversity...
Yeah, its not just the fact that she spreads chaos its the entire lack of nuance in how they implemented it.
I could see Morathi and her Lords/Heroes spreading corruption with bonuses to their loyalty, but without any access to Cult of Khaine units.
This Cult of Pleasure Death Hags/Brides of Khaine nonsense is bleh....
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She had fought beside Aenarion in the days of her youth, killing daemons, slaughtering the enemies of her people with wild abandon. She had cast spells and brewed poisons and worked out battle strategies for his armies. She had used her gift of visions to grant the elves victories innumerable.
The so-called high elves had forgotten that now, preferring to cast her as the villain in the simple-minded morality plays they so enjoyed since her son had sundered the realm. They had no idea what it had cost to win those battles back when all thought the world was ending, or the price she had paid for victory.
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0 · Disagree AgreeIf they are going to go with the Cults of Pleasure version of Morathi they should at least do it right.
This is actually how I was introduced to Morathi from material published in 2006.
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0 · Disagree AgreeShe had fought beside Aenarion in the days of her youth, killing daemons, slaughtering the enemies of her people with wild abandon. She had cast spells and brewed poisons and worked out battle strategies for his armies. She had used her gift of visions to grant the elves victories innumerable.
The so-called high elves had forgotten that now, preferring to cast her as the villain in the simple-minded morality plays they so enjoyed since her son had sundered the realm. They had no idea what it had cost to win those battles back when all thought the world was ending, or the price she had paid for victory.
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0 · Disagree AgreeIn one lore she leads an NON Dark Elf Faction.
I another she does leads a Dark Elf Faction.
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0 · Disagree AgreeShe had fought beside Aenarion in the days of her youth, killing daemons, slaughtering the enemies of her people with wild abandon. She had cast spells and brewed poisons and worked out battle strategies for his armies. She had used her gift of visions to grant the elves victories innumerable.
The so-called high elves had forgotten that now, preferring to cast her as the villain in the simple-minded morality plays they so enjoyed since her son had sundered the realm. They had no idea what it had cost to win those battles back when all thought the world was ending, or the price she had paid for victory.
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1 · Disagree AgreeCertainly certain Dark Elf things are also excluded from her Storm of Chaos List because they represent elements of Dark Elf society opposed to Chaos Worship.
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http://rosters.mysteria.cz/ostatni/download/SoC - Cult of Slaanesh.pdf
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0 · Disagree Agree1. This isn't a 1:1 adaptation of the Warhammer world, and it was never meant to be. You can see from the maps that it isn't. Why is Morathi suddenly more important than the Halflings not existing, or there only being 2 Vampire Bloodlines, or the map being wrong? Hint: she's not. It's just another thing CA changed, and with lore valuation in it. She was the leader of a Chaos cult.
2. Sure, and guess what, I bet its not in game either. She is "using" Chaos to help her and Malekith. However, they are using her back.
3. Sure. I agree here in the sense that they should have changed the appearance of it, but its fine that she spreads it.
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0 · Disagree Agree2 The same argument can be made for Malekith why doesn't he spread chaos cause you know he does use chaos for his own goals.
3.I prefer it not present at all but if they insist on making it they should have at least tried and make it unique typ of corruption for her like the skaven and vampire one
She had fought beside Aenarion in the days of her youth, killing daemons, slaughtering the enemies of her people with wild abandon. She had cast spells and brewed poisons and worked out battle strategies for his armies. She had used her gift of visions to grant the elves victories innumerable.
The so-called high elves had forgotten that now, preferring to cast her as the villain in the simple-minded morality plays they so enjoyed since her son had sundered the realm. They had no idea what it had cost to win those battles back when all thought the world was ending, or the price she had paid for victory.
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1 · Disagree AgreeAnyway it is just one more thing I have to try and change in a mod because it is obvious that CA and GW agree on an interpretation I don't.
Auferre, trucidare, rapere, falsis nominibus imperium; atque, ubi solitudinem faciunt, pacem appellant.
They plunder, they slaughter, and they steal: this they falsely name Empire, and where they make a wasteland, they call it peace.
Corruptissima re publica plurimae leges.
The more numerous the laws, the more corrupt the government.
I found Rome a city of filth covered marble and left it a pile of rubble. - Me
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2 · Disagree AgreeCorruption could be a really good thing for the faction if it was changed from the same attrition hellscape to a mechanic providing bonuses to the faction, like recruitment cost or agents success chance.
Corruption from the Cult of Pleasure should just depict Morathi's influence, not associate her to chaos, she isn't a pawn to anyone.
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Auferre, trucidare, rapere, falsis nominibus imperium; atque, ubi solitudinem faciunt, pacem appellant.
They plunder, they slaughter, and they steal: this they falsely name Empire, and where they make a wasteland, they call it peace.
Corruptissima re publica plurimae leges.
The more numerous the laws, the more corrupt the government.
I found Rome a city of filth covered marble and left it a pile of rubble. - Me
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0 · Disagree AgreeBut as core "positive" mechanic that also applies to lords she recruits ? Nah it feels really wrong.
But if only that was it... no, she also has Death Hag from the Khainite cult spreading it too. Now that is some SERIOUS BS !
While we're at it, why not make Lizardmen spread chaos corruption aswell ? *CA* : Oh yeah that would be cool for diversity...
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0 · Disagree AgreeBoth should cleanse it. Or don't do anything about it for Morathi's.
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1 · Disagree AgreeI could see Morathi and her Lords/Heroes spreading corruption with bonuses to their loyalty, but without any access to Cult of Khaine units.
This Cult of Pleasure Death Hags/Brides of Khaine nonsense is bleh....
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