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Cornucopia of Chaos Miniatures

CurisCuris Posts: 8Registered Users
One day at Games Workshop HQ, Aly Morrison came up to me with a big bag of Talisman figures. "I found this bag of scrabby old models in my basement, and I was gonna bin 'em. Then I remembered you like scrabby old stuff." I was over the moon. Here's the first three painted.

Talisman Chaos Trio in the Morning WoodThe Chaos Brothers defending portal dolmens in the Mourning Wood.

All three figures are from 3rd edition Talisman, which I originally owned as my Dad bought it for me and my brother in the mid-1990s . Until that point I'd been exclusively into Warhammer 40,000, and this was my first real experience of the Warhammer Fantasy world. My painting has improved since then.

Talisman Chaos Trio in the Morning WoodTHIN YOUR PAINTS.

I've been quite annoyed at my initial choice of colour for my Chaos Warrior. Red and metal is very vanilla. To start stamping greater identity on them I've taken the flames from my Chaos Wizard's robes and run them onto the armour panels. It does help break up the plain surfaces and make them less generi-chaos.

With the rising market value of the old metal Chaos Thug ranges, these muscly barbarians are welcome reinforcements to my Chaos Thug unit. I have played with them as Blood Warriors in Age of Sigmar, and Bellicose Foot in Dragon Rampant. The variety of designs and themes in the range means they can slip in, though they are noticeably beefier and taller. But hey, it's Chaos.

Talisman Chaos Trio in the Morning Wood

3rd edition Talisman Barbarian and Warrior. Interestingly, one of these is a resculpt of the other.

I'm looking through the rest of the Talisman range now to see what other figures will fit in my Chaos warband. The Minotaur, Skaven, Black Orc and Chaos Sorcerer are all potentials.

Thanks for the minis Aly!

More miniature over at http://www.ninjabread.co.uk

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  • CurisCuris Posts: 8Registered Users
    edited September 2017
    One of the things to get your head round for Frostgrave is that you're not really playing with a warband, like you would in Mordheim. It's about your wizard. And I agonised over different wizard models for a good long while before settling on the Citadel ME-56 Saruman, for reasons of:

    - I want the warband to be built out of 1980s Citadel Miniatures
    - I've got a couple of spare Sarumans ("Sarumen?")
    - Importing the Lord of the Rings figures into Warhammer proper is pleasing.
    -
    "Tell me, friend, when did Saruman the Wise abandon reason for Tipp-Ex®?"

    "Tell me, friend, when did Saruman the Wise abandon reason for Tipp-Ex®?"

    I really do like the 1980s Middle-Earth figures popping up in mainstream Warhammer. After Games Workshop lost the the Tolkein licence in 1987 a lot of the not-character figures were rolled into the main Warhammer range, like the Noldor Elves into the High Elf range. Occasionally the named character miniatures pop up in artwork or studio photographs, like ME-1 Gandalf here in the colour section of the Ravening Hordes supplement.

    Oldskool Citadel Gandalf

    Gandalf™ is a wise and powerful wizard.
    Gandalf™ est un sorcier sage et puissant.
    Gandalf™ ist ein weiser und mächtiger Zauberer.

    To unSarumanise the figure the Palantir hand was replaced with a suitably chunky hand from a Citadel Night Horror. Saruman's left hand was flipped over and had a flame effect added from a (gasp!) modern Tzeentch kit. This anachronism still makes me feel uneasy.

    Despite leading a Chaos warband, I made no attempt to make him chaotic. The red scheme and the age of the figure ties him in enough.

    clyro-burns-take-1

    A burning sensation in your palm – classic symptom of carpal tunnel syndrome.

    He initially had grey hair, but it looked bad. Too much like Saruman still. To remedy this I sculpted over his bald patch, and repainted his hair fiery orange. One of the nice things about figures so old is my own limited sculpted talent doesn't look as out of place as it would on a laser-crisp modern miniature.

    I finished the figure with bone-coloured flames on his robes. I was hesitant initially as he had flames popping out of his hand – I thought both 2D and 3D flames together would be confusing. But keeping them a flat colour rather than the blended highlights of the Tzeentch-fire, and putting them in bone rather than a orange colour, keeps it obvious what's meant to be real and what's meant to be pattern.

    Clyro Burns and Familiar

    Clyro Burns, looking a little like Donald Sutherland in Kelly's Heroes.

    There he is, Clyro Burns, alongside his 1980s Chaos warband.

    I call them "Burns' Knights".

    Sorry.

    More miniature over at http://www.ninjabread.co.uk
  • GameThumbGameThumb Posts: 86Registered Users
    These figures look awesome!

  • CurisCuris Posts: 8Registered Users
    Thanks GameThumb!

    A quickfire hobby challenge for the Scale Creep Peeps:
    • Paint a charmingly basic model from HeroQuest
    • nO cRaZy CoNvErSiOnS
    • Replacing the sausagey rectangle base is encouraged.
    I picked a Chaos Warrior. To the 7-year-old boy learning words from game components, but not pronunciations: a "Chouse" Warrior.

    Curis enjoying HeroQuest
    "Hoots mon! There's a chouse louse about this house!"

    Theottovonbismark has already shown off Slambo and the 4E plastic Chouse … ahem … Chaos Warrior. Here's the HeroQuest dude alongside Battlemasters and Legend of Zagor Chaos dudes, for no reason other than to showcase the breadth of my vintage Chaos.

    Gorefist the Destroyer and the Champions of Chouse

    Prejudiced against gorefs, means he's a gorefist.

    Otto's updating of this old plastic has freehand and a jazzy base. My version is painted so tamely in comparison. I've gone for the red-and-metal scheme which you might think is a homage to the original HeroQuest art, but is really so he ties into my 1980s Chaos Warband. Being a 1989er *I think* he is actually the newest miniature. Everything is relative.

    1980s Chaos Warriors

    "Oi, HeroQuest, you're so young I bet you don't remember POGs!"

    After modern-style crisp highlighting you start to realise the limitations of the miniature – a combination of 1989 plastic technology and 27 years of man-handling ("manchild-handling"?). So to hide the dalrymples I painted some textures: sponge-chipping the armour; fluting on the horns; notching the axe blade; and blood-spatter over the finished piece. I've recently become aware that competition painters like different textures on a miniature to provide interest and contrast, and to showcase their skills.

    Chouse Warriors textures

    Judging by the spatter he dealt a nasty axe wound.


    The texture I'm fondest of at the moment is the blood-spats. After a lot of trial and error with a Blood Bowl team recently I've hit upon the following method: load up a tiny brush with your blood-effect paint of choice, put it right in front of your lips, and blow. You instantly get realistic spines, satellite spatters, cast-off patterns and other terms I'm just regurgitating from a CSI episode.

    Champion of Chaos, Herald the ApocaLIPS (•_•) ( •_•)>⌐■-■ (⌐■_■)

    Guess this means he's the Herald of the ApocaLIPS.
    (•_•) ( •_•)>⌐■-■ (⌐■_■)
  • BaronKlatzBaronKlatz Posts: 663Registered Users
    Never thought i'd run into such a hidden gem of a thread here.

    Awesome stuff! :)
  • BuntaliciousBuntalicious Posts: 15Registered Users
    I wish i could paint like that, i lack a steady hand so my paintings are Always a bit messy. im painting Seraphon/Lizardmen atm. ^^
  • CurisCuris Posts: 8Registered Users
    Thanks Baron!

    Buntalicious – just paint minis that needn't be neat. Nurgle and Orcs would play to your strengths. I can't loosen up my style to paint those two armies at all.

    Presenting: Stingwing, Cockatrice of Chaos

    My teenage Orc and Goblin army featured a Night Goblin shaman on Cockatrice. I've sold the bulk of the army, but hung onto the Cockatrice out of sentimentality. Bulking out my Frostgrave Chaos into a Dragon Rampant force demanded a fantastic monster, so this mythological bird resurrected itself from the ashes.

    cockatrice-in-4e-warhammer

    The wings on my Orc and Goblin Cockatrice weren't the original MM44 ones, but had been nicked from an High Elf Dragon. I replaced these original replacements with a pair of 15mm Demonworld dragon wings. Since I was converting the figure with non-Citadel parts, I figured I'd swap the rather dull tail with a scorpion one from the Dark World Manticore.

    Cockatrice Ingredients

    The Cockatrice torso showing his original yellow paintjob. He was known as "Lemon Chicken".

    I did plan on him having a Chaos rider, and tried every single mounted Chaos figure in my collection. However, anything bigger than a weeny Night Goblin shaman looked ridiculous, and the wings and neck all obscure the rider. So Stingwing is an unbound monster, which also means he's easier to legitimately field in Age of Sigmar.

    cockatrice-rough-assemblage

    Chicken stripped.

    Attaching the Demonworld wings, and at a different angle to the original MM44 wings, required hacking away the sockets on the torso and some heavy pinning. I used three layers of putty to first fill the gaps, then sculpt muscles, and then add fur.

    cockatrice-snapped-wing

    In my efforts to bend the old lead wings into curved shapes I managed to break the left one straight in half. The metal along the split crumbled, and I had a pig of a time trying to reattach it. I managed it with pins in the only two places that joined, and a good amount of putty. Luckily the membranes had very little sculpted detail so my repairs are barely visible.

    Anyways, here's the finished beastie! I went with a mainly flesh, and ran the warband's signature red colour onto the comb, wattles and scorpion tail.

    cockatrice-isolated

    chaos-cockatrice-with-thugs

    Cockatrice breaks through a clearing in Mourningwood.

    Sadly I have no good photos of the six-way Dragon Rampant game from the Knavecon weekend – I'd borrowed sho3box's selfie-stick and only managed photographs of my own arm.

    superman-socks

    Put in black and white, however, this looks intentionally arty. And you can't see my Superman socks clashing with the hotel carpet.

  • CurisCuris Posts: 8Registered Users
    Curtis over at Ramshackle did a limited run of figures for Bring Out Your Lead 2016, and I've painted one to accompany Clyro Burns. As an event, BOYL focuses on "Oldhammer", so Curtis sculpted this model holding an old hammer. Ha!

    ramshackle-oldhammer-mini

    I've converted my figure with a new face shaved off a Citadel Judge Dredd Perp – Zuggy Spotz/Crazy Joseph. I then resculpted the hood around the front with putty. This does make me feel a little guilty, but of all people Curtis will understand the need to hack up and convert figures.

    ramshackle-oldhammer-mini-rear

    Post-Knavecon games of Dragon Rampant have made me feel uncomfortable with my wizard unit – Clyro Burns plus five tiny familiars. This reduced strength unit gets caught in combat, and seeing a tiny familiar taking as much effort to kill as two chunky human-sized models is really odd. I'm planning to reforge the unit at twelve-strong – all twelve being human-sized figures.

    curtis-acolyte-in-the-mourningwood
    Nocturnal rituals being enacted in the Mourning Wood.

    Shout out to Curtis for his generosity and community spirit! Check out his shop full of other wonderful nonsense.
  • CurisCuris Posts: 8Registered Users
    Chaos Thugs are a Warhammer range released in several batches between 1988 and 1991. Games Workshop stamped them out of existence in 1994, omitting them from Warhammer Armies: Chaos. Thugs are firmly anchored solely in Warhammer's past, quintessential incarnations of Oldhammer, meaning they command decent prices on the collector's market.

    Oldhammer Warhammer Chaos Thugs

    I regret going with the red hair on these figures – it worked on the rightmost guy, who was the first I painted, but looks a a bit clownlike on the other two. Don't paint people with bright red eyebrows. Even Ronald McDonald doesn't have red eyebrows.

    Chaos Thugs are great fun to paint as they're all individuals that the sculptors packed with weird and unique details.

    Oldhammer Warhammer Chaos Thugs

    This Thug has hair that's long one side and short the other – and one eyebrow bushy and the other shaven off. He also comes with a severed head at his belt – there's some back story to how he decapitated someone with just a bludgeoning weapon.

    Oldhammer Warhammer Chaos Thugs

    This Thug has both his weapons, the business-end of his "horseman's pick" and the pommel of his sheathed dagger, shaped like bird heads. Perhaps it was a subtle Tzeentch reference? I also like how his one scavenged kneepad has a leering face sculpted on it.

    Oldhammer Warhammer Chaos Thugs

    Pazyryk Banefire and the Thugs in the Matityahu Temple.

    The Thugs will get on well with the Talisman Warrior and Barbarian as they're all half-naked men who enjoy shaving their chests. The Talisman Chaos Warrior is the unit champion, as that's how it worked in the Warhammer 3rd edition army lists. Next off I'm on the hunt for more Thugs to make a modestly sized raiding party, with a full command group.
  • CurisCuris Posts: 8Registered Users
    edited December 2017
    The Citadel Miniatures Chaos Thug range is melting pot of influences and ideas. Unlike Games Workshop's modern Chaos Marauders, who are uniformly bearded barbarians, the classic Thug range had odd chaps with mullets, Saracen-flavoured archers and even stray ninjas.

    imageHot as thuggery.


    It makes the individual Thugs fun to paint, as they're each full of unique details. The mullet man has a pair of horns poking out his hairstyle. The archer has a leering face kneepad. All three have plumped for asymmetrical trousers.

    image

    The ninja has a ninja throwing knife for stealth kills, but today he's chosen to fight with the less subtle morning star. Maybe he wields that stealthily too, assassinating targets with a silent swing of the massive spiky ball.

    image

    Pazyryk Banefire's Thugs sacking the town of Æbbe's Hill.

    Having a single archer in the otherwise-melee unit slightly bothers me, but given the chaotic appearance of the the unit I can cope with it in games of Age of Sigmar and Dragon Rampant. The mix of troop types also gives me a nice selection of models to pick for Frostgrave. In time he will split off to found a Chaos Thug mob with bows, made up of a mix of the Battle Masters plastic Chaos Thug and the chunky punky Marauder Chaos Thug range from the early 1990s.
  • CurisCuris Posts: 8Registered Users
    edited January 1
    The Umber Hulk is the iconic Dungeons & Dragons monster, a powerful tunnelling beast with the power to confuse anyone who sees all four of its eyes at once. This confusion is a form of psychic hypnosis, rather than puzzlement over the fact it has eyes in its nostrils, and what might happen when it sneezes.

    Dungeons and Dragon Umber Hulk by Grenadier

    "Feckin' peg it!" squeed Ploppin the Halfling.


    Such a colourful shot! The red and blue lights echo the garish paint choices this Umber Hulk's previous owner made. This miniature was a snip at £3 from the Oldhammer Trading Company and I celebrated by taking it to the pub that evening.

    Dungeons and Dragon Umber Hulk by Grenadier

    The lovable four-eyed spongmonster at the pub.
    Also pictured: a Grenadier Umber Hulk.

    He came missing a finger-claw, which I replaced with brass wire and putty. I also carved him new mandibles from some random Games Workshop plastic bits.

    Dungeons and Dragon Umber Hulk by Grenadier

    jazz hands /dʒaz handz/ noun: …

    The miniature has been released by Grenadier both with and without the mandibles. In the original catalogue, the photographer completely misinterpreted the mandibles as unicorn bits.

    Grenadier held the licence for Dungeons & Dragons miniatures 1980–1982, but released all sorts of suitable figures both before and afterwards. This is not actually an official Umber Hulk but an "Umberbulk". It is still in production nowadays (without mandibles), via Mirliton.

    Dungeons and Dragon Umber Hulk by Grenadier

    Dungeons and Dragon Umber Hulk by Grenadier

    Original the Monster. Do not steal.

    The 1st edition Dungeons & Dragons Monster Manual states "Umber Hulks are black, shading to yellowish gray on the front. Their head is gray on top, and the mandibles are ivory coloured." But I did mine a burnt umber colour as I got hung up on the name "Umber Hulk". In my defence the picture of them in the Monster Manual illustration is black and white.

    Umber Hulks and Rogue Trader Ambulls

    When writing Rogue Trader, Games Workshop anticipated players would want to use their existing figure collections, and so they slipped in a lot of the iconic Dungeons & Dragons monsters as thinly-disguised aliens. Blink Dogs became "Astral Hounds", Beholders became "Enslavers", Umber Hulks became "Ambulls" and so on.

    Dungeons and Dragon Umber Hulk by Grenadier

    Mighty Squat Hero Warmaster Gorun fighting an UmbeAmbull, with support from the Reckoners Space Marine chapter.

    The Ambull did eventually get its own model, here's sho3box's rendition and here's Jason Fulford's.

    Interestingly, having been ported into space, they got put ported back into their native fantasy setting in the form of White Dwarf 108's Terror in the Darkness scenario for Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay, where the adventurers head into a mine only to encounter Ambulls.

    That's it for today! I'll leave you with this photo that was meant to show the detail on the top of the head, but his pose looked like it was inviting tickles.

    Dungeons and Dragon Umber Hulk by Grenadier

    Cudgy cudgy coo cooo. Cudgy cudgy coo cooo.

  • Sir_GodspeedSir_Godspeed Posts: 69Registered Users
    Awesome stuff. Love the old-style sculpts. They have a lot of personality to them. :D

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