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Morathi Chaos Corruption (Facepalm) Why not? What else if not?

MGiMGi Posts: 13Registered Users
edited October 2017 in General Discussion
After countless hours playing Malekith, after confederating with Morathi (spending over 200 000 gold) i was so underwhelmed that i am very much discouraged to further play the campaign before this is fixed.

Why Morathi Chaos Corruption should be removed/replaced?:

Since the Cult of Pleasure faction is based around spreading corruption for faction benefit (public order etc.) and Morathi talents include corruption boosting i assume that it is a mechanic that benefits Morathi rather than a drawback for being a high level dark sorceress. - This completely works against Malekith and they have no fun synergy with eachother. Furthermore most people after confederating with Morathi delete the Lord because her talents bring more harm than good.

Morathi's army list consists of exactly the same units as Malekith's. No chaos, slanesh mutant elves variants are present.

(Lets completely forget that they should be Atharti worshipers for a moment and assume they worship slaanesh as the developers decided) Slaanesh is not a god of war, plague or magic, but rather a god of pleasure, which makes leaving lava breathing volcano's in every province completely nonsense.

Chaos corruption attrition should be caused by mutating chaos magical energies, yet all dark elves look completely normal.

When confederating Malekith + Morathi, all armies start to suffer attrition from chaos. When confederating Morathi + Malekith, the units seem to be fine. Where is the consequence?

Furthermore, some of the best Morathi talents not only become usless when doing the Malekith + Morathi confederation but also punishing for the player (Shroud of despair, Grotesque sacrifices)

Malekith + Morathi confederation should be a viable possibility lorewise!!! And since it is a PC game after all, it should also be FUN!!! NOT PUNISHING!!!

Adding one more statement regarding the FUN part: Morathi is only annoying when you play Malekith she spreads corruption when aiding you, when controlling a adjacent province and furthermore you cant even cross her lands when she is your ally due to attrition. One big ANNOYING

What can be done to keep her cult based theme?:

The whole idea maybe good, but executed very lazy. The whole chaos, mutants and lava completely doesn't fit the dark elves theme. I feel that they have thrown this copy and paste chaos mechanic for Morathi without putting any heart or serious thought into it. - It would be a hell of alot better if they implemented a similar #cult #Atharti #orSlaanesh #influence mechanic which benefited the cult of pleasure and their allies as a whole. As a result Morathi's faction would have a unique touch/ gameplay mechanic which could be played around with talents, special buildings and technology.

Reduced public order without #Atharti influence? -Sure!
Increased winds of magic on provinces with high #Atharti influence? -F*ck yeah!
Enemies suffering attrition or other negative effects on land with high #Atharti influence? -You're God damn right!
Allies of same faction, race, genetic code and even Son of a Witch dying when coming to aid us in battle?- ...HELL NO!!

Hope to see this fixed, remade, redone or modded into the game.

EDIT:

Another reason why Morathi should have her unique corruption mechanic is that rebellions caused by high chaos corruption spawn Chaos warriors and not cult of pleasure or chaos elf units. Its completely nonsense. The chaos corruption is completely out of line for the Cult of pleasure faction. Men with chaos armor and marauders on horse with javelin magically appear from dark elf rebellions??? what the f*ck? I would understand a few slaanesh demons but Norsemen in a equator province near Lustria? Give me a break... Immersion -2/10

EDIT2:

Dark Elves believing in Chaos gods is not a bit off but completely inticlimatic. In almost every fantasy world elves have their own gods and in Warhammer the armies of chaos consist only of Chaos dwarves and Chaos human, not ever did they showcase Chaos elves. Their army and theme look nothing like that of the Dark elves. Yes i know the lore from pre 7th edition mentioned their connection to chaos. But it wasn't a good idea to simply mix the lore from past and new editions especially those contradicting eachother. TWWH wasn't prepared for Dark elves being chaos and it looks off, lazy, unfinished and no book lore can justify this awful game decision.
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  • shinrosshinros Posts: 1,517Registered Users
    Hmm I do think it would be rather interesting if Morathi got bonuses/diplomatic bonuses depending on how high the corruption level is. That would be interesting I do agree CA should of done a bit more with it.
    Nagash: When Nagash reaches out to crush his enemies, it is with a million hands. When Nagash seeks out his prey, it is with a million eyes.....
  • KrabbzKrabbz FrancePosts: 332Registered Users
    I agree. This chaos corruption thing is really poorly designed for her.
    MGi said:

    (Lets completely forget that they should be Atharti worshipers for a moment and assume they worship slaanesh as the developers decided) Slaanesh is not a god of war, plague or magic, but rather a god of pleasure, which makes leaving lava breathing volcano's in every province completely nonsense.

    I really hope that they create 4 different chaos corruption visuals and effects for the 4 gods in game 3 + 1-2-3 Mega campaign.
  • HisShadowBGHisShadowBG Posts: 2,181Registered Users
    The thing is it does not really do much for her faction either when you play her immunity to attrition to chaos corruption and a 1 slightly different building chain . They just switched more corruption giving better public order instead of the other way around.As far as i have seen her armies does not benefit from it but guess who does the chaos armies.
  • Nitros14Nitros14 Junior Member Posts: 1,529Registered Users
    edited October 2017
    Isn't there a building in Morathi's capital which entirely removes the public order penalty for Chaos Corruption, a building that you would get when you confederate her?

    The volcano visuals are odd, but I otherwise really like that Morathi and her cult worship Chaos. It's like the older cooler lore.
  • MGiMGi Posts: 13Registered Users
    Krabbz said:

    I agree. This chaos corruption thing is really poorly designed for her.

    MGi said:

    (Lets completely forget that they should be Atharti worshipers for a moment and assume they worship slaanesh as the developers decided) Slaanesh is not a god of war, plague or magic, but rather a god of pleasure, which makes leaving lava breathing volcano's in every province completely nonsense.

    I really hope that they create 4 different chaos corruption visuals and effects for the 4 gods in game 3 + 1-2-3 Mega campaign.
    True, although dark elves imo are not a chaos themed race and the chaos influence (if present) should be subtle.
  • shinrosshinros Posts: 1,517Registered Users
    Yeah it's clear it's slaanesh looking at the technologies and the public order building. Fun fact according to the encyclopedia profile Morathi is actually well sorta exiled at the moment when you play her.

    I think it would pretty neat to have agents or faction getting the extra ability to set up cults in settlements causing possible corruption or leeching of resources. She just needs a bonus to spread corruption.
    Nagash: When Nagash reaches out to crush his enemies, it is with a million hands. When Nagash seeks out his prey, it is with a million eyes.....
  • MGiMGi Posts: 13Registered Users
    edited October 2017
    Nitros14 said:

    Isn't there a building in Morathi's capital which entirely removes the public order penalty for Chaos Corruption, a building that you would get when you confederate her?

    The volcano visuals are odd, but I otherwise really like the Morathi and her cult worship Chaos. It's like the older cooler lore.

    The thing is the building removes 90% of the public order penalty at most (level 5 building) which is still a -2 penalty with high corruption, but it doesn't remove the attrition effect from other lords and Morathi herself becomes vulnerable to chaos attrition. It is a faction mechanic and since the faction B is removed when making a A + B confederation the elves just die in their own land.

    Also it is her main theme faction mechanic which becomes only a pain in the ass after confederating, and it should be something that benefits her and the witch king Malekith
  • MGiMGi Posts: 13Registered Users
    shinros said:

    Yeah it's clear it's slaanesh looking at the technologies and the public order building. Fun fact according to the encyclopedia profile Morathi is actually well sorta exiled at the moment when you play her.

    I think it would pretty neat to have agents or faction getting the extra ability to set up cults in settlements causing possible corruption or leeching of resources. She just needs a bonus to spread corruption.

    yes but like i said in the OP. This mechanic should be separate from chaos corruption and unique to Morathi's Cult of pleasure so that gameplay wise it does not hinder other Dark Elf allies and even herself.
  • HisShadowBGHisShadowBG Posts: 2,181Registered Users
    shinros said:

    Yeah it's clear it's slaanesh looking at the technologies and the public order building. Fun fact according to the encyclopedia profile Morathi is actually well sorta exiled at the moment when you play her.

    I think it would pretty neat to have agents or faction getting the extra ability to set up cults in settlements causing possible corruption or leeching of resources. She just needs a bonus to spread corruption.

    It is just another silly/unnecessary lore addition to justify not putting her starting position in Ghrond.
  • VonSeydlitzVonSeydlitz Posts: 20Registered Users
    This mechanic was a terrible idea full stop it ruins confederation with Dark Elf LL's & has no place in a Dark elf campaign full stop. I didn't think I'd dislike anything more then the vortex campaign mechanic but this topped it. I'm mostly waiting on the mega campaign release to do away with the Vortex aspect however in my eyes Dark elfs have only 1 LL in my eyes atm. Roll on Darkblade release!
  • ShivaXShivaX Posts: 240Registered Users
    It's kind of annoying, though the corruption eventually goes away in my experience.

    It does feel off though.
  • Neolucifer2000Neolucifer2000 Junior Member Posts: 956Registered Users
    A cool unique slanneshi unit will be nice!


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  • shinrosshinros Posts: 1,517Registered Users
    edited October 2017

    A cool unique slanneshi unit will be nice!

    I am actually kinda surprised that CA did not look at the cult of pleasure from storm of chaos for ideas. I mean it would be cool that Morathi could recruit a unique witch elf or hag unit that are "devoted of slaanesh".

    Here are the stats.

    Devoted Of Slaanesh
    Must take at least one Unit of Devoted Of Slaanesh
    12 points per model
    M5 WS5 BS4 S3 T3 W1 I6 A2 LD8
    Unit Size 10+
    Use Two-Handed Weapons, no Armor
    Have Mark Of Slaanesh, Hatred: High Elves, Soporific Musk
    May take a Musician for 6 points, a Standard Bearer for 12 points, and a Champion (Mistress, gains 1 more Attack) for 12 points
    Mistress may be upgraded with Speed Of Slaanesh (Always Strikes First) for +10 points
    May take a Magic Standard up to 50 points

    Or even.

    Druchii Anointed
    Cannot be General
    Does not count as Daemonic, can only join Dark Elves Units
    Uses a 20mm square base if on foot
    M6 WS8 BS7 S5 T4 W3 I9 A5 LD9
    Has Hatred: High Elves, Cause Fear, 5+ Anointed Ward Save (does not protect from Magic Attacks), Mark Of Slaanesh
    Has Hand Weapon, Chaos Armor. May take either an Additional Hand Weapon for 6 points, a Halberd for 6 points, a Great Weapon for 6 points, or a Lance if Mounted for 6 points. May take a Repeater Crossbow for 15 points, and a Shield for 3 points.
    May be a Sorcerer at Level 1 for 40 points or Level 2 for 80. Has access to the Lore of Slaanesh and the Lore of Dark Magic, and has +1 to Cast.
    May ride a Cold One for 39 points, a Dark Steed for 18 points, a Barded Chaos Steed for 24 points, or a Steed Of Slaanesh for 40 points.
    May take Anointed Daemonic Gifts, Dark Elf Magic Items, any Slaanesh Daemonic Gifts, and any "Models With Mark Of Slaanesh Only" upgrades to a grand total of 100 points


    Now I think it would be interesting if hag's got a unique ability instead of having rune of khaine or khanite runes they get soporific musk or something like that.

    If people want to take a further look here is the link.

    https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Cult_Of_Slaanesh
    Nagash: When Nagash reaches out to crush his enemies, it is with a million hands. When Nagash seeks out his prey, it is with a million eyes.....
  • HexiHexi Posts: 1,096Registered Users
    There is 0 reason for it to exist in the first place. There is no lore or gameplay reason for it to exist. I'm hoping a mod will come along shortly that changes her faction to be the same as Malekiths.

    If she is such a chaos spreading menace 2 things would happen.

    1. Her Khainite followers would try to kill her or leave.

    2. Malekith would wage war on her permanently.

    They retconned her cult a long time ago to not be chaos worshipers. I really hate how CA just randomly picks and chooses which edition fluff they use based on apparently whatever they think is "fun" or "cool". If they want to use old fluff then why aren't Wood Elves the peaceful hippies they used to be? Why isn't Bretonnia a perfect Arthurian utopia?

    They should stick with an edition already.
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  • OdTengriOdTengri Posts: 2,222Registered Users
    shinros said:

    A cool unique slanneshi unit will be nice!

    I am actually kinda surprised that CA did not look at the cult of pleasure from storm of chaos for ideas. I mean it would be cool that Morathi could recruit a unique witch elf or hag unit that are "devoted of slaanesh".
    Yeah, if where going to go with the Storm of Chaos Morathi they should have actually done it, not this halfway 6th ed halfway 7-8th ed version.
    Give us Doombull, Great Bray-Shaman, Wargor, and Tuskgor Chariot.

  • shinrosshinros Posts: 1,517Registered Users
    edited October 2017
    OdTengri said:

    shinros said:

    A cool unique slanneshi unit will be nice!

    I am actually kinda surprised that CA did not look at the cult of pleasure from storm of chaos for ideas. I mean it would be cool that Morathi could recruit a unique witch elf or hag unit that are "devoted of slaanesh".
    Yeah, if where going to go with the Storm of Chaos Morathi they should have actually done it, not this halfway 6th ed halfway 7-8th ed version.
    Agreed. I mean it's clear as day looking at the public order building the witch elves and hag's she recruits are not khanites they should of got some replacement abilities or something. Hell the last part of the tree is called "court of the dark prince." Also various tech's of them wanting to draw his eye.

    If they were a lot more better then when playing Malekith you have a choice do you take them or not? They are strong but you know corruption and all that.
    Nagash: When Nagash reaches out to crush his enemies, it is with a million hands. When Nagash seeks out his prey, it is with a million eyes.....
  • TayvarTayvar Posts: 9,486Registered Users
    Looks like Morathi is waiting for the Chaos Factions from Mortal Empires for her coop games.
    4 Fully Independent Monogods Armies would be great for a Storyline about the Great Game in Total War: Warhammer 3.
  • HisShadowBGHisShadowBG Posts: 2,181Registered Users
    edited October 2017
    Hexi said:

    There is 0 reason for it to exist in the first place. There is no lore or gameplay reason for it to exist. I'm hoping a mod will come along shortly that changes her faction to be the same as Malekiths.

    If she is such a chaos spreading menace 2 things would happen.

    1. Her Khainite followers would try to kill her or leave.

    2. Malekith would wage war on her permanently.

    They retconned her cult a long time ago to not be chaos worshipers. I really hate how CA just randomly picks and chooses which edition fluff they use based on apparently whatever they think is "fun" or "cool". If they want to use old fluff then why aren't Wood Elves the peaceful hippies they used to be? Why isn't Bretonnia a perfect Arthurian utopia?

    They should stick with an edition already.

    Yeah they made things worse imo by kind of not deciding what they want to do they went mostly 8th edition with her just to make a weird turn by including Slaanesh being the patron of the pleasure cult and not explaining in any way as to why is it so. All the while adding little silly bits of lore of their own.They could have at least taken her being a loremaster of her own lore from older editions but i guess they like to take different bits of lore only when it contradicts itself
  • endurendur Posts: 2,908Registered Users
    MGi said:

    Furthermore most people after confederating with Morathi delete the Lord because her talents bring more harm than good.

    Most people? The game has been out a week, I'd assume most people keep both LLs.
    MGi said:


    When confederating Malekith + Morathi, all armies start to suffer attrition from chaos. When confederating Morathi + Malekith, the units seem to be fine. Where is the consequence?

    Furthermore, some of the best Morathi talents not only become usless when doing the Malekith + Morathi confederation but also punishing for the player (Shroud of despair, Grotesque sacrifices)

    The unique building in Morathi's capitol removes 90% of the public order penalty for corruption or lack of corruption. The other buildings and death hags convert upon confederation. Really there is more of an impact from corruption from beastmen and norscans. Morathi has a minimal impact from her personal skills.


  • Nitros14Nitros14 Junior Member Posts: 1,529Registered Users
    Hexi said:

    There is 0 reason for it to exist in the first place. There is no lore or gameplay reason for it to exist. I'm hoping a mod will come along shortly that changes her faction to be the same as Malekiths.

    If she is such a chaos spreading menace 2 things would happen.

    1. Her Khainite followers would try to kill her or leave.

    2. Malekith would wage war on her permanently.

    They retconned her cult a long time ago to not be chaos worshipers. I really hate how CA just randomly picks and chooses which edition fluff they use based on apparently whatever they think is "fun" or "cool". If they want to use old fluff then why aren't Wood Elves the peaceful hippies they used to be? Why isn't Bretonnia a perfect Arthurian utopia?

    They should stick with an edition already.

    She's exiled presumably for this reason.

    She probably wasn't openly spreading Chaos Corruption until about right now, since she feels now is the time to strike.

    I think it's pretty cool that her long held secret of worshipping Chaos is openly revealed here.
  • HexiHexi Posts: 1,096Registered Users
    Nitros14 said:

    Hexi said:

    There is 0 reason for it to exist in the first place. There is no lore or gameplay reason for it to exist. I'm hoping a mod will come along shortly that changes her faction to be the same as Malekiths.

    If she is such a chaos spreading menace 2 things would happen.

    1. Her Khainite followers would try to kill her or leave.

    2. Malekith would wage war on her permanently.

    They retconned her cult a long time ago to not be chaos worshipers. I really hate how CA just randomly picks and chooses which edition fluff they use based on apparently whatever they think is "fun" or "cool". If they want to use old fluff then why aren't Wood Elves the peaceful hippies they used to be? Why isn't Bretonnia a perfect Arthurian utopia?

    They should stick with an edition already.

    She's exiled presumably for this reason.

    She probably wasn't openly spreading Chaos Corruption until about right now, since she feels now is the time to strike.

    I think it's pretty cool that her long held secret of worshipping Chaos is openly revealed here.
    Long held secret of worshipping chaos? She fights against chaos in End Times.
    There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt
  • shinrosshinros Posts: 1,517Registered Users
    edited October 2017
    Hexi said:

    Nitros14 said:

    Hexi said:

    There is 0 reason for it to exist in the first place. There is no lore or gameplay reason for it to exist. I'm hoping a mod will come along shortly that changes her faction to be the same as Malekiths.

    If she is such a chaos spreading menace 2 things would happen.

    1. Her Khainite followers would try to kill her or leave.

    2. Malekith would wage war on her permanently.

    They retconned her cult a long time ago to not be chaos worshipers. I really hate how CA just randomly picks and chooses which edition fluff they use based on apparently whatever they think is "fun" or "cool". If they want to use old fluff then why aren't Wood Elves the peaceful hippies they used to be? Why isn't Bretonnia a perfect Arthurian utopia?

    They should stick with an edition already.

    She's exiled presumably for this reason.

    She probably wasn't openly spreading Chaos Corruption until about right now, since she feels now is the time to strike.

    I think it's pretty cool that her long held secret of worshipping Chaos is openly revealed here.
    Long held secret of worshipping chaos? She fights against chaos in End Times.
    Not really she did not even do anything when Valkia attacked. She was more concerned with corrupting Tyrion because she is pining for her dead husband when that plan went to crap she summoned slaanesh in a last gambit looking for apotheosis.
    Nagash: When Nagash reaches out to crush his enemies, it is with a million hands. When Nagash seeks out his prey, it is with a million eyes.....
  • Carl_BarCarl_Bar Posts: 500Registered Users
    Nitros14 said:

    Hexi said:

    There is 0 reason for it to exist in the first place. There is no lore or gameplay reason for it to exist. I'm hoping a mod will come along shortly that changes her faction to be the same as Malekiths.

    If she is such a chaos spreading menace 2 things would happen.

    1. Her Khainite followers would try to kill her or leave.

    2. Malekith would wage war on her permanently.

    They retconned her cult a long time ago to not be chaos worshipers. I really hate how CA just randomly picks and chooses which edition fluff they use based on apparently whatever they think is "fun" or "cool". If they want to use old fluff then why aren't Wood Elves the peaceful hippies they used to be? Why isn't Bretonnia a perfect Arthurian utopia?

    They should stick with an edition already.

    She's exiled presumably for this reason.

    She probably wasn't openly spreading Chaos Corruption until about right now, since she feels now is the time to strike.

    I think it's pretty cool that her long held secret of worshipping Chaos is openly revealed here.
    Sounds like you may have missed the whole Age of Sigmar mess. Basically Morathi got retconned to never have had anything to do with Chaos whatsoever. It was a complete reversal of older edition lore and given how much other fluff for other races got retconned fairly unpopular from what i heard. What they've basically done here is put the old Morathi in rather than the Age of Sigmar one.
  • NemoxNemox Posts: 2,476Registered Users
    edited October 2017
    Hexi said:

    There is 0 reason for it to exist in the first place. There is no lore or gameplay reason for it to exist. I'm hoping a mod will come along shortly that changes her faction to be the same as Malekiths.

    If she is such a chaos spreading menace 2 things would happen.

    1. Her Khainite followers would try to kill her or leave.

    2. Malekith would wage war on her permanently.

    They retconned her cult a long time ago to not be chaos worshipers. I really hate how CA just randomly picks and chooses which edition fluff they use based on apparently whatever they think is "fun" or "cool". If they want to use old fluff then why aren't Wood Elves the peaceful hippies they used to be? Why isn't Bretonnia a perfect Arthurian utopia?

    They should stick with an edition already.

    In 6E Army book Malekith knew she was the one creating Slaaneshi cults and using it to control the Temple of Khaine and keep Malekith in power. It was under the "Dark Power" chapter if you have the book handy, where Malekith walks into her room and tells her Hellebron is holding a meeting about the rise of Slaaneshi cults.

    By the way, in the Time of Legends book about Malekith (where the first retcons about the pleasure cult were used in a BL novel around 7E), the Cults of Pleasure were actually corrupting the land in Ulthuan - It gets mentioned that if left unchecked it would destabilize the vortex and bring the Daemons in. It was the main reason the Phoenix King and co needed to stamp it down quickly (There is even a part where a Raven Herald tells of how the corruption spread by the cults makes the chaos corruption in Nagarythe much worse). It is what drives Malekith to destroy them at first because he was fighting Chaos before he then uses the cults to gain legitimacy and frame Bel Shanaar.

    Lore niggling aside:

    The problem with sticking to one edition is that no one edition covered all the playable races, nor does it help bring older lesser known factions to the table. Games workshop didn't make it easy to translate Warhammer into a game like this because they were picking and choosing what races to update every edition.

    So to say CA have to stick to one edition is impossible if we want to see more races added outside of 8E.

    As for the gameplay: I don't think Morathi needs Chaos corruption +1 to her Lord traits. Seems unnecessary and makes her a nuisance in confed. Having it kept in Faction prevents it coming over, and all her hero skills change anyway depending on who you chose at first so it should severely reduce spreading. The Khaine buildings are very good at eliminating corruption very quickly.

    Chaos corruption looking the same is exactly like Skaven cities all using human ruins in new world. Limitation on how many assets get made in total by CA. Game 3 really needs to step up and alter chaos corruption to better reflect the action of cults vs chaos incursions.
  • HisShadowBGHisShadowBG Posts: 2,181Registered Users
    edited October 2017
    Nitros14 said:

    Hexi said:

    There is 0 reason for it to exist in the first place. There is no lore or gameplay reason for it to exist. I'm hoping a mod will come along shortly that changes her faction to be the same as Malekiths.

    If she is such a chaos spreading menace 2 things would happen.

    1. Her Khainite followers would try to kill her or leave.

    2. Malekith would wage war on her permanently.

    They retconned her cult a long time ago to not be chaos worshipers. I really hate how CA just randomly picks and chooses which edition fluff they use based on apparently whatever they think is "fun" or "cool". If they want to use old fluff then why aren't Wood Elves the peaceful hippies they used to be? Why isn't Bretonnia a perfect Arthurian utopia?

    They should stick with an edition already.

    She's exiled presumably for this reason.

    She probably wasn't openly spreading Chaos Corruption until about right now, since she feels now is the time to strike.

    I think it's pretty cool that her long held secret of worshipping Chaos is openly revealed here.
    It makes about 0 sense for her to worship the killers of her beloved Aenerion .Not mention according to her speach in the beginning of the game is about killing the traitors to Malekith in the Bleakholds .In the game they made it seem like she actively seeks Malekith approval and all DE faction have tolerance to the Pleasure cult which for some reason gives them + 20 diplomatic relation to the Cult of Pleasure faction including Malekith which means they all actually are loving having a worshiper of chaos around.Not to mention that now according to CA Malekith gifted her weapons that give +5 chaos corruption to local region.
  • HisShadowBGHisShadowBG Posts: 2,181Registered Users
    By the way, in the Time of Legends book about Malekith (where the first retcons about the pleasure cult were used in a BL novel around 7E), the Cults of Pleasure were actually corrupting the land in Ulthuan - It gets mentioned that if left unchecked it would destabilize the vortex and bring the Daemons in. It was the main reason the Phoenix King and co needed to stamp it down quickly (There is even a part where a Raven Herald tells of how the corruption spread by the cults makes the chaos corruption in Nagarythe much worse). It is what drives Malekith to destroy them at first because he was fighting Chaos before he then uses the cults to gain legitimacy and frame Bel Shanaar.


    Don't remember corruption of the land mentioned there as far as i remember it was corruption of society and mostly done in secret before the civil war.And what makes him fight them is they basically took control of his kingdom not that they have anything to do with chaos.
  • Carl_BarCarl_Bar Posts: 500Registered Users

    Nitros14 said:

    Hexi said:

    There is 0 reason for it to exist in the first place. There is no lore or gameplay reason for it to exist. I'm hoping a mod will come along shortly that changes her faction to be the same as Malekiths.

    If she is such a chaos spreading menace 2 things would happen.

    1. Her Khainite followers would try to kill her or leave.

    2. Malekith would wage war on her permanently.

    They retconned her cult a long time ago to not be chaos worshipers. I really hate how CA just randomly picks and chooses which edition fluff they use based on apparently whatever they think is "fun" or "cool". If they want to use old fluff then why aren't Wood Elves the peaceful hippies they used to be? Why isn't Bretonnia a perfect Arthurian utopia?

    They should stick with an edition already.

    She's exiled presumably for this reason.

    She probably wasn't openly spreading Chaos Corruption until about right now, since she feels now is the time to strike.

    I think it's pretty cool that her long held secret of worshipping Chaos is openly revealed here.
    It makes about 0 sense for her to worship the killers of her beloved Aenerion .Not mention according to her speach in the beginning of the game is about killing the traitors to Malekith in the Bleakholds .In the game they made it seem like she actively seeks Malekith approval and all DE faction have tolerance to the Pleasure cult which for some reason gives them + 20 diplomatic relation to the Cult of Pleasure faction including Malekith which means they all actually are loving having a worshiper of chaos around.Not to mention that now according to CA Malekith gifted her weapons that give +5 chaos corruption to local region.
    Morathi's never been portrayed as the most stable and most editions treat her relationship with Anerion as her seeking to get power and authority and the means to spread her corruption by cosying up to the biggest power in the land.
  • CaffynatedCaffynated Member Posts: 1,071Registered Users
    edited October 2017
    Carl_Bar said:

    Nitros14 said:

    Hexi said:

    There is 0 reason for it to exist in the first place. There is no lore or gameplay reason for it to exist. I'm hoping a mod will come along shortly that changes her faction to be the same as Malekiths.

    If she is such a chaos spreading menace 2 things would happen.

    1. Her Khainite followers would try to kill her or leave.

    2. Malekith would wage war on her permanently.

    They retconned her cult a long time ago to not be chaos worshipers. I really hate how CA just randomly picks and chooses which edition fluff they use based on apparently whatever they think is "fun" or "cool". If they want to use old fluff then why aren't Wood Elves the peaceful hippies they used to be? Why isn't Bretonnia a perfect Arthurian utopia?

    They should stick with an edition already.

    She's exiled presumably for this reason.

    She probably wasn't openly spreading Chaos Corruption until about right now, since she feels now is the time to strike.

    I think it's pretty cool that her long held secret of worshipping Chaos is openly revealed here.
    Sounds like you may have missed the whole Age of Sigmar mess. Basically Morathi got retconned to never have had anything to do with Chaos whatsoever. It was a complete reversal of older edition lore and given how much other fluff for other races got retconned fairly unpopular from what i heard. What they've basically done here is put the old Morathi in rather than the Age of Sigmar one.
    By Age of Sigmar, you mean 7th edition over a decade ago.
    Nemox said:



    The problem with sticking to one edition is that no one edition covered all the playable races, nor does it help bring older lesser known factions to the table. Games workshop didn't make it easy to translate Warhammer into a game like this because they were picking and choosing what races to update every edition.

    So to say CA have to stick to one edition is impossible if we want to see more races added outside of 8E.

    I don't see how they are in any way similar. With Bretonnia you're using the most current edition for them. With Dark Elves you're ignoring the 2 most recent editions and taking lore that directly contradicts not only 7th and 8th, but itself as well.

    You could still play 6th edition Bretonnia in 8th edition tournaments with the FAQ updates. You could not play 6th edition Dark Elves in an 8th edition tournament.

    It would be like going back to 3rd edition for Bretonnia, and ignoring 5th and 6th.

    There was no hole that needed to be filled. It was an entirely unnecessary, and frankly nonsensical change.
  • MGiMGi Posts: 13Registered Users
    endur said:

    MGi said:

    Furthermore most people after confederating with Morathi delete the Lord because her talents bring more harm than good.

    Most people? The game has been out a week, I'd assume most people keep both LLs.
    MGi said:


    When confederating Malekith + Morathi, all armies start to suffer attrition from chaos. When confederating Morathi + Malekith, the units seem to be fine. Where is the consequence?

    Furthermore, some of the best Morathi talents not only become usless when doing the Malekith + Morathi confederation but also punishing for the player (Shroud of despair, Grotesque sacrifices)

    The unique building in Morathi's capitol removes 90% of the public order penalty for corruption or lack of corruption. The other buildings and death hags convert upon confederation. Really there is more of an impact from corruption from beastmen and norscans. Morathi has a minimal impact from her personal skills.


    MGi said:

    Nitros14 said:

    Isn't there a building in Morathi's capital which entirely removes the public order penalty for Chaos Corruption, a building that you would get when you confederate her?

    The volcano visuals are odd, but I otherwise really like the Morathi and her cult worship Chaos. It's like the older cooler lore.

    The thing is the building removes 90% of the public order penalty at most (level 5 building) which is still a -2 penalty with high corruption, but it doesn't remove the attrition effect from other lords and Morathi herself becomes vulnerable to chaos attrition. It is a faction mechanic and since the faction B is removed when making a A + B confederation the elves just die in their own land.

    Also it is her main theme faction mechanic which becomes only a pain in the ass after confederating, and it should be something that benefits her and the witch king Malekith
  • Carl_BarCarl_Bar Posts: 500Registered Users


    By Age of Sigmar, you mean 7th edition over a decade ago.

    No i mean Age of Sigmar, she was still Chaos associated in the 7th ed DE Book. Check her special character entry in it.
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