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  • antony23antony23 Junior Member Registered Users Posts: 252
    HoneyBun said:

    Brakier said:

    @HoneyBun alot of people say swearwords when they speak normaly, like **** for example, "i need to go take a ****" or "this taste like ****" ect ect, might not be normal by finer families and people, but the majority of people are not finer familes, they are normal people whit ruff edges.

    My point being, this was an interview, why should we get angry when we getting the interview raw instead going thruw a filter wich can remove alot of the mans energy in his speech.

    We do, as a country in England and Wales, still regulate swearing quite heavily.

    For example, swearing in public is still a potential criminal offence under the Public Order Act. Adverts - both videos and written, are regulated by the ASA and swearing is pretty tightly controlled. This very forum regulates the words that were used in the interview.

    The person in question gave a similar interview to PC Gamer. That contains no swearing. So either he regulated himself or the magazine edited him.

    I am not seeking to control how you live your life in private. But public spaces are shared spaces and that means accommodating the weakest and the most vulnerable.

    I am surprised at the huge negative backlash I am receiving.
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  • SnapperaSnappera Senior Member Registered Users Posts: 1,245
    edited October 2017
    antony23 said:

    HoneyBun said:

    Brakier said:

    @HoneyBun alot of people say swearwords when they speak normaly, like **** for example, "i need to go take a ****" or "this taste like ****" ect ect, might not be normal by finer families and people, but the majority of people are not finer familes, they are normal people whit ruff edges.

    My point being, this was an interview, why should we get angry when we getting the interview raw instead going thruw a filter wich can remove alot of the mans energy in his speech.

    We do, as a country in England and Wales, still regulate swearing quite heavily.

    For example, swearing in public is still a potential criminal offence under the Public Order Act. Adverts - both videos and written, are regulated by the ASA and swearing is pretty tightly controlled. This very forum regulates the words that were used in the interview.

    The person in question gave a similar interview to PC Gamer. That contains no swearing. So either he regulated himself or the magazine edited him.

    I am not seeking to control how you live your life in private. But public spaces are shared spaces and that means accommodating the weakest and the most vulnerable.

    I am surprised at the huge negative backlash I am receiving.
    Have you tried living in Aldershot? its basically australia here
    I thought England and Wales invented most swear words anyway. We're so imaginative because it's so naughty, tee hee.
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  • gholingholin Member Registered Users Posts: 1,137
    edited October 2017

    @gholin

    So you're OK with massacring innocent civilians and sacrificing them to evil gods, but not with swearing? Y'know, people make fun of that "threshold" because it's completely off.

    @gholin

    So you're OK with massacring innocent civilians and sacrificing them to evil gods, but not with swearing? Y'know, people make fun of that "threshold" because it's completely off.

    @gholin

    So you're OK with massacring innocent civilians and sacrificing them to evil gods, but not with swearing? Y'know, people make fun of that "threshold" because it's completely off.

    @gholin

    So you're OK with massacring innocent civilians and sacrificing them to evil gods, but not with swearing? Y'know, people make fun of that "threshold" because it's completely off.

    I personally have no problem with swearing. I'm speaking of the nature of interviews and the public.

    Also, I was not aware this game actually depicted or allowed me to directly engage in slaughtering civilians and sacrificing them to evil gods? You do realize that swear words are concrete, yet the violence you mention is completely abstract behind a prompt that gives you bonus or allows you to raze a city. You never see or actually do these acts, and even then, games and movies may be based on real life, but they are not really happening in the context of their media. That's a huge difference.

    I can watch the battles unfold and not feel a fig of remorse or shock, because they aren't real people! That dude in Saving Private Ryan who just had his guts spilled out, he's fine. If I saw the real act that happened, I'd be sad, and I mourn those we lost in EVERY war and I do not condone it, but these are not real people really dying okay? The mind handles that differently. Maybe it speaks in my advantage that I cannot handle horror/murder gore, because that is malicious intent and I can't handle that. Anyway, this is ridiculous. You are comparing abstract ideas to concrete ones. Doesn't work. You swearing on the forum is real. Me razing a city in a game is not.
  • TennisgolfbollTennisgolfboll Registered Users Posts: 8,993
    edited October 2017
    It is completely absurd that CA has rules on this forum that they dont follow in an interview posted on the forum.


    I really hope they are so clumsy and unproffesional that all those forum rules that were broken were missed by all of them. A long string of honest mistakes.

    The alternative is that they are so arrogant that they think their users should follow rules that they themselves can ignore. That is much worse.

    It needs to be pointed out that what people call "cheese" is just playing the game the way it actually exists not in some fictional way they think it is supposed to work.
  • Mohawk_RoshiMohawk_Roshi Registered Users Posts: 1,763
    Wow this has veered way of track. Finally news on Mortal Empires and we're having a serious debate on language censorship.....
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  • FakeEmperorFakeEmperor Registered Users Posts: 595
    They said that datamined map is the ME map, and people get mad for swearing ???
    Then you're lucky you didn't hear me when i knew that datamined map was real...

  • krunshkrunsh Senior Member Registered Users Posts: 3,692

    It is completely absurd that CA has rules on this forum that they dont follow in an interview posted on the forum.


    I really hope they are so clumsy and unproffesional that all those forum rules that were broken were missed by all of them. A long string of honest mistakes.

    The alternative is that they are so arrogant that they think their users should follow rules that they themselves can ignore. That is much worse.

    CA did not break a forum rule, the interview link was posted on here but clicking on a link that takes you to a different website (or blog in this case) with swear words in it does not break the rule.

    Plenty of Youtubers are sharing their videos on the forum, which include swear words. In any case, this is why some websites tell you "You are leaving our forum now, do you wish to continue at your own risks?".

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  • LestaTLestaT Senior Member Registered Users Posts: 3,291

    Wow this has veered way of track. Finally news on Mortal Empires and we're having a serious debate on language censorship.....

    It is actually a good thing. People wil always find something to complaint so if the complaint is not about the game itself, then it means the plan about ME is pretty well recieved. :)
  • krunshkrunsh Senior Member Registered Users Posts: 3,692
    HoneyBun said:


    We do, as a country in England and Wales, still regulate swearing quite heavily.

    For example, swearing in public is still a potential criminal offence under the Public Order Act. Adverts - both videos and written, are regulated by the ASA and swearing is pretty tightly controlled. This very forum regulates the words that were used in the interview

    I don't really want to side with the edgy boys who just want lots of swearing everywhere, but I also don't think that referencing some state rule about swearing gives your argument any morale high ground.

    What you defined here is just terrifying stuff, and I hope it is never actually enforced.
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  • Mohawk_RoshiMohawk_Roshi Registered Users Posts: 1,763
    edited October 2017
    LestaT said:

    Wow this has veered way of track. Finally news on Mortal Empires and we're having a serious debate on language censorship.....

    It is actually a good thing. People wil always find something to complaint so if the complaint is not about the game itself, then it means the plan about ME is pretty well recieved. :)
    Well put still I wish they'd calm down. I'm pretty neutral on the whole thing if my kids curse it will because my wife and I are both military and it's part of our culture. But I understand people not liking that language.
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  • Bura89Bura89 Senior Member Pisaurum, ItalyRegistered Users Posts: 596

    Still amused by the fact that certain people complain about swearwords but not about the game being about massacring people, raiding, stealing, rape, warmongering, political assassinations, mass-poisoning, genocide and worshiping occult deities. I guess all of that is OK as long as you don't use four-letter words while doing it.

    It's not a big deal, that just looks silly and a bit childish in a working place...or at least we do in Italy can't say about ye olde Albion. Since you're a worker too, would you mind talking/e-mailing like that to your boss or customers etc.?

    About massacring people, raiding, stealing, , warmongering, assassinating, mass-poisoning, genocide and worshiping occult deities...man, it's TOTAL WAR! BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD!!!!
  • gholingholin Member Registered Users Posts: 1,137
    Bura89 said:

    Still amused by the fact that certain people complain about swearwords but not about the game being about massacring people, raiding, stealing, rape, warmongering, political assassinations, mass-poisoning, genocide and worshiping occult deities. I guess all of that is OK as long as you don't use four-letter words while doing it.

    It's not a big deal, that just looks silly and a bit childish in a working place...or at least we do in Italy can't say about ye olde Albion. Since you're a worker too, would you mind talking/e-mailing like that to your boss or customers etc.?

    About massacring people, raiding, stealing, , warmongering, assassinating, mass-poisoning, genocide and worshiping occult deities...man, it's TOTAL WAR! BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD!!!!
    And it's not real either so...

    Anyway, ME looks great! I just want to see the Old World Factions updated with new units, factions, and LL, and want to see Araby and Tomb Kings added.
  • LestaTLestaT Senior Member Registered Users Posts: 3,291
    Will the blood pack comes together with ME or much earlier/later?
  • TennisgolfbollTennisgolfboll Registered Users Posts: 8,993
    krunsh said:

    It is completely absurd that CA has rules on this forum that they dont follow in an interview posted on the forum.


    I really hope they are so clumsy and unproffesional that all those forum rules that were broken were missed by all of them. A long string of honest mistakes.

    The alternative is that they are so arrogant that they think their users should follow rules that they themselves can ignore. That is much worse.

    CA did not break a forum rule, the interview link was posted on here but clicking on a link that takes you to a different website (or blog in this case) with swear words in it does not break the rule.

    Plenty of Youtubers are sharing their videos on the forum, which include swear words. In any case, this is why some websites tell you "You are leaving our forum now, do you wish to continue at your own risks?".

    It is CAs forum linking to an interview done by CA, interviewing a CA employee.

    It needs to be pointed out that what people call "cheese" is just playing the game the way it actually exists not in some fictional way they think it is supposed to work.
  • Ephraim_DaltonEphraim_Dalton Senior Member Registered Users Posts: 24,710
    Bura89 said:

    Still amused by the fact that certain people complain about swearwords but not about the game being about massacring people, raiding, stealing, rape, warmongering, political assassinations, mass-poisoning, genocide and worshiping occult deities. I guess all of that is OK as long as you don't use four-letter words while doing it.

    It's not a big deal, that just looks silly and a bit childish in a working place...or at least we do in Italy can't say about ye olde Albion. Since you're a worker too, would you mind talking/e-mailing like that to your boss or customers etc.?

    About massacring people, raiding, stealing, , warmongering, assassinating, mass-poisoning, genocide and worshiping occult deities...man, it's TOTAL WAR! BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD!!!!
    Are you saying gamers are such a precious bunch that a bunch of swears hurt their pwecious fee-fees? O, poor bunch.

  • Vanilla_GorillaVanilla_Gorilla Registered Users Posts: 19,804

    Bura89 said:

    Still amused by the fact that certain people complain about swearwords but not about the game being about massacring people, raiding, stealing, rape, warmongering, political assassinations, mass-poisoning, genocide and worshiping occult deities. I guess all of that is OK as long as you don't use four-letter words while doing it.

    It's not a big deal, that just looks silly and a bit childish in a working place...or at least we do in Italy can't say about ye olde Albion. Since you're a worker too, would you mind talking/e-mailing like that to your boss or customers etc.?

    About massacring people, raiding, stealing, , warmongering, assassinating, mass-poisoning, genocide and worshiping occult deities...man, it's TOTAL WAR! BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD!!!!
    Are you saying gamers are such a precious bunch that a bunch of swears hurt their pwecious fee-fees? O, poor bunch.
    Can you please stop forcing the discussion to be about this and actually discuss the topic? We get it, you like swearing, and you think people who don't are part of the super awful political group you disagree with, good on you, applause, confetti, balloons. Now can we please get back on topic? If you so desperately need to discuss the virtues of swearing on a forum then do it somewhere else, not this topic.
    LestaT said:

    Will the blood pack comes together with ME or much earlier/later?

    I would hope they send that one straight out as soon as it's ready.
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  • OMGitsJoemoOMGitsJoemo Registered Users Posts: 96
    I'm more worried about the fact that now we know the datamined map is real (or at least for the most part) we're not getting more east than the Darklands, so no Mountains of Mourn or Cathay which is pretty **** if you ask me. I can only hope they actually do change it and extend it further, otherwise I'm not going to be the happiest fan :(
  • HorskiHorski Registered Users Posts: 38
    edited October 2017
    The datamine map is close but not exact, he said pretty bang on, not exact. The datamine list of provinces shows skrolk and kroq'gar's start positions are still there and there is no mention of them moving. The interview said only Teclis and Queek are moved. That means the map stretches further south than the datamine, and southlands and lustria should not feel too stripped down as a result.

    I would also expect the datamine map to not be accurate for game 3 at all. They have already said they are going to take longer to release game 3, and judging by the size of game 2, it will be BIG. Meaning they would have to cut most of their work to add it to ME as the datamine shows.

    Also they have said multiple times that they plan on evolving Mortal Empires, this could also mean game 3 addition to ME will be much larger than originally planned. Maybe we could see Cathay. I for one hope fleshed out Kislev is the 4th playable faction for game 3. I mean Tzarina and some bear cavalry, yes please!
  • Bura89Bura89 Senior Member Pisaurum, ItalyRegistered Users Posts: 596

    Are you saying gamers are such a precious bunch that a bunch of swears hurt their pwecious fee-fees? O, poor bunch.

    Never said and never will, in fact I don't know why you even quoted me.

  • ShermanSherman Member Registered Users Posts: 889
    For me the thing about swearing its merely aesthetic, in general a prefer a more professional talking for official articles. Now I'll return to drink my tea wearing my monocle.
  • krunshkrunsh Senior Member Registered Users Posts: 3,692

    krunsh said:

    It is completely absurd that CA has rules on this forum that they dont follow in an interview posted on the forum.


    I really hope they are so clumsy and unproffesional that all those forum rules that were broken were missed by all of them. A long string of honest mistakes.

    The alternative is that they are so arrogant that they think their users should follow rules that they themselves can ignore. That is much worse.

    CA did not break a forum rule, the interview link was posted on here but clicking on a link that takes you to a different website (or blog in this case) with swear words in it does not break the rule.

    Plenty of Youtubers are sharing their videos on the forum, which include swear words. In any case, this is why some websites tell you "You are leaving our forum now, do you wish to continue at your own risks?".

    It is CAs forum linking to an interview done by CA, interviewing a CA employee.

    Thanks for clarifying what I said in different words <3
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  • Commissar_GCommissar_G Senior Member Registered Users Posts: 10,662
    edited October 2017
    krunsh said:

    krunsh said:

    It is completely absurd that CA has rules on this forum that they dont follow in an interview posted on the forum.


    I really hope they are so clumsy and unproffesional that all those forum rules that were broken were missed by all of them. A long string of honest mistakes.

    The alternative is that they are so arrogant that they think their users should follow rules that they themselves can ignore. That is much worse.

    CA did not break a forum rule, the interview link was posted on here but clicking on a link that takes you to a different website (or blog in this case) with swear words in it does not break the rule.

    Plenty of Youtubers are sharing their videos on the forum, which include swear words. In any case, this is why some websites tell you "You are leaving our forum now, do you wish to continue at your own risks?".

    It is CAs forum linking to an interview done by CA, interviewing a CA employee.

    Thanks for clarifying what I said in different words <3</p>
    It absolutely does break the forum terms and conditions. If ever anybody posts a link or video that contains swearing the mods will delete it for "inappropriate language ." This has happened dozens and dozens of times.
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  • TRexTRex Registered Users Posts: 358

    All these people bashing others for saying the russian datamine would never be accurate... Pls try to be more open minded next time.

    It was obvious from the beginning that the data mine was correct, it's been correct about everything.

    Sadly, on any internet forum, there is a high percentage of **** dickheads whose sole purpose seems to be abusing anybody who dares to speak common sense.

  • TRexTRex Registered Users Posts: 358
    Stephince said:

    Seems slightly odd that to win ME as Empire an invasion of Ulthuan is necessary. I'm sure they have more important things to bash.

    Yes. There'll be no possibility of me invading Ulthuan with the Empire. Under no circumstances will i be killing Elves, unless they are the nasty Dark Elves. Is that racist?
  • TRexTRex Registered Users Posts: 358

    HoneyBun said:

    @CA_Whelan

    I am sorry to be 'that guy' but the blog post is littered with expletives. It breaches your own forum rules, it's not big, it's not cool, it's not professional and as a parent it just makes me think less of you as a company.

    Please just have an editor go through it.

    Otherwise I think WH2 is an amazing game and look forward to ME.

    Let your kids play a game that regularly ends up with piles of mutilated corpses but take offense at a bunch of swearwords.

    Priorities, how do they work?
    Wtf are you on about? It's a video game. Nothing wrong with kids killing monsters in a video game. It's a bloody video game! Swearing, however, isn't something that should be encouraged in the public domain with children around, even if i do it all the time myself. Their priorities are spot on.
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  • dge1dge1 Moderator Arkansas, USARegistered Users, Moderators, Knights Posts: 19,716
    Let's all get back on the thread topic. Thanks.
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  • bennymclbennymcl Senior Member Montreal, CanadaRegistered Users Posts: 2,797
    dge1 said:

    Let's all get back on the thread topic. Thanks.

    Like how disappointing it is they didn't add rites or any fresh mechanics to the old races ? :tongue:
  • Commissar_GCommissar_G Senior Member Registered Users Posts: 10,662
    edited October 2017
    bennymcl said:

    dge1 said:

    Let's all get back on the thread topic. Thanks.

    Like how disappointing it is they didn't add rites or any fresh mechanics to the old races ? :tongue:
    I disagree that the grudges mechanic is lacklustre though. I really like it and don't think it needs a revamp.

    Edit: The only thing I'd change is a bigger reward and more punishment.
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