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  • MarcusIuniusBrutusMarcusIuniusBrutus Senior Member GermanyRegistered Users Posts: 1,739
    One more speculation:

    The warrior on the artwork wear a CROW FEATHER crested helmet. Beware the crow?

    The shield show the Rune for Tiwaz/Tyr, which is often represented with wolves.

    Wolf is important for early anglosaxons:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wulf

    So the germanic warrior belong to the saga game?
  • tak22tak22 Senior Member Registered Users Posts: 2,386

    One more speculation:

    The warrior on the artwork wear a CROW FEATHER crested helmet. Beware the crow?

    The shield show the Rune for Tiwaz/Tyr, which is often represented with wolves.

    Wolf is important for early anglosaxons:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wulf

    So the germanic warrior belong to the saga game?

    Except the caption explicitly says it's for the campaign pack:

    https://cdn.creative-assembly.com/total-war/com.totalwar.www/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/07144255/IMAGEFORBLOGBG-941x480.png
  • MarcusIuniusBrutusMarcusIuniusBrutus Senior Member GermanyRegistered Users Posts: 1,739
    That could have been done by mistake. They make a big free update for Rome II, only for a german campaign, which is a very small part of the map, only to sell with Saga anglosaxon and northgermanic warriors again? It seems to me too similar after Attila.
  • FredrinFredrin Senior Member LondonRegistered Users Posts: 3,014
    I'll be happy with whatever they come up with provided that the campaign is deep/engaging and combat has been reworked so we get genuinely epic battles instead of 5 minute blobfests. If they can recapture the immersive atmosphere of Medieval I and Rome I, then that would be a massive bonus.

    Warhammer is necessarily brash and bold, but with historical games you want game design to be built around transporting you back to that point in time when the game is set. That has been sorely lacking from recent history games imo.
  • VessingerVessinger Senior Member Registered Users Posts: 972

    One more speculation:

    The warrior on the artwork wear a CROW FEATHER crested helmet. Beware the crow?

    The shield show the Rune for Tiwaz/Tyr, which is often represented with wolves.

    Wolf is important for early anglosaxons:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wulf

    So the germanic warrior belong to the saga game?

    I've done some digging around and that actually looks more like Gallic/Celtic noble helms of around 54 BC, the armor as well. I'm leaning more towards this being DLC for R2, maybe having something to do with Vercingetorix. That's my guess and I'm sticking to it, for now.


  • tak22tak22 Senior Member Registered Users Posts: 2,386
    Vessinger said:

    One more speculation:

    The warrior on the artwork wear a CROW FEATHER crested helmet. Beware the crow?

    The shield show the Rune for Tiwaz/Tyr, which is often represented with wolves.

    Wolf is important for early anglosaxons:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wulf

    So the germanic warrior belong to the saga game?

    I've done some digging around and that actually looks more like Gallic/Celtic noble helms of around 54 BC, the armor as well. I'm leaning more towards this being DLC for R2, maybe having something to do with Vercingetorix. That's my guess and I'm sticking to it, for now.

    They already did that one.
  • Sughdian WarriorSughdian Warrior Senior Member Registered Users Posts: 187
    This is all speculation based on almost no information. The question I have is, are we to wait another 3 months to start getting actual updates with real information in them?
  • IntranetusaIntranetusa Junior Member Registered Users Posts: 607
    edited November 2017
    jamreal18 said:

    @Lord_Eldar do we get awesome animations for Victorian Era?

    Check it out!



    That is ancient and medieval China/East Asia and has little to nothing to do with the Victorian period (19th century). The musketeers look like they're from the Ming Dynasty or early Qing era.
  • KrunchKrunch Junior Member Registered Users Posts: 4,116
    One thing to note is that they(Maya) said that the DLC for (we assume) Rome 2 is the "next Total War release". As such, we assume that we will get it before we get any Warhammer content. So, it is likely IMO that we will hear news this month. The Realm of the Wood Elves announcement came on the 17th of Novermber last year and so IMO the new DLC is likely to be annouced around then too.
  • SiWISiWI Senior Member Registered Users Posts: 10,894
    Krunch said:

    One thing to note is that they(Maya) said that the DLC for (we assume) Rome 2 is the "next Total War release". As such, we assume that we will get it before we get any Warhammer content. So, it is likely IMO that we will hear news this month. The Realm of the Wood Elves announcement came on the 17th of Novermber last year and so IMO the new DLC is likely to be annouced around then too.

    announced. Not release before Wh2 contend ;)
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  • FornachiariFornachiari Junior Member Registered Users Posts: 30
    Possibly the new game is related to Arauco war. Also the new DLC could be for a Medieval II HD that deals with the Arauco War.

    Realmento I want to see a TW that deals with this conflict of more than 300 years between Spaniards and Mapuche.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arauco_War
  • VessingerVessinger Senior Member Registered Users Posts: 972
    tak22 said:

    Vessinger said:

    One more speculation:

    The warrior on the artwork wear a CROW FEATHER crested helmet. Beware the crow?

    The shield show the Rune for Tiwaz/Tyr, which is often represented with wolves.

    Wolf is important for early anglosaxons:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wulf

    So the germanic warrior belong to the saga game?

    I've done some digging around and that actually looks more like Gallic/Celtic noble helms of around 54 BC, the armor as well. I'm leaning more towards this being DLC for R2, maybe having something to do with Vercingetorix. That's my guess and I'm sticking to it, for now.

    They already did that one.
    Well, I guess someone should have told them that, because it looks like they're doing it again. Seriously though, the Gallic tribes were everywhere at this point, and Caeser in Gaul focused on a fairly specific region. Not that I'm rooting for any Gallic centric themed DLC mind you. I'd be distinctly uninterested in such a thing.

    Hopefully, that's just one of many factions in the DLC.

  • JackMack10JackMack10 Registered Users Posts: 117
    I hope it's not for Attila since it runs so bad ... unless they can manage to pull a miracle, and optimize it somehow !
  • Psycho_VPsycho_V Registered User Registered Users Posts: 513
    Vessinger said:

    tak22 said:

    Vessinger said:

    One more speculation:

    The warrior on the artwork wear a CROW FEATHER crested helmet. Beware the crow?

    The shield show the Rune for Tiwaz/Tyr, which is often represented with wolves.

    Wolf is important for early anglosaxons:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wulf

    So the germanic warrior belong to the saga game?

    I've done some digging around and that actually looks more like Gallic/Celtic noble helms of around 54 BC, the armor as well. I'm leaning more towards this being DLC for R2, maybe having something to do with Vercingetorix. That's my guess and I'm sticking to it, for now.

    They already did that one.
    Well, I guess someone should have told them that, because it looks like they're doing it again. Seriously though, the Gallic tribes were everywhere at this point, and Caeser in Gaul focused on a fairly specific region. Not that I'm rooting for any Gallic centric themed DLC mind you. I'd be distinctly uninterested in such a thing.

    Hopefully, that's just one of many factions in the DLC.
    Needless to say I'm a huge fan of Gallic history .. however CA's Caesar Gaul campaign was disappointing imho. For such a great setting the execution was pretty bland, offering little in terms of new gameplay, cultural or emotional immersion.

    I just hope they make future tittles gritty and immersive.

    Render the graphics to look as real as possible (none of this stylised / artistic shader crap).

    Bring back the throne room and depict historical settings, culture and (if possible language) with as much detail and accuracy as possible.

    Witcher III type Role play - Add cutscenes for pivotable moments and provide players with some RPG type choices in the heat of the moment. Roll this into improved diplomacy and internal governance decisions. Improve the relationship matrix so events and actions become more personal.

    Make the player / AI give a stuff when backstabbing and raiding lands. Have messengers / survivors give reports of the horror. Provide scenes where your diplomats visit enemy leaders, both thrones and forces in the field. Trade and treaty negotiations. Have messengers / spys report intrusions / discovery of enemy armies. Do the same for sieges, provide opportunity for leaders to exchange insults, terms, etc.

    Allow players to customise unit names, standards, training, patrons (gods, saints, etc) and equipment / appearance.

    In short, provide more than the standard TW battles, map and nominal pop-up text. Whilst the legacy model served well in the past, it is extremely dated for today's gamer.

    Create a world and draw the gamer into it.

    my2bob
    "Ask not for whom the bell tolls, it tolls for THEE!" - (John Donne, 1572 – 1631, Meditation 17)
  • LESAMALESAMA Member Registered Users Posts: 1,455
    Needless to say I'm a huge fan of Gallic history .. however CA's Caesar Gaul campaign was disappointing imho. For such a great setting the execution was pretty bland, offering little in terms of new gameplay, cultural or emotional immersion.

    I just hope they make future tittles gritty and immersive.

    Render the graphics to look as real as possible (none of this stylised / artistic shader crap).

    Bring back the throne room and depict historical settings, culture and (if possible language) with as much detail and accuracy as possible.

    Witcher III type Role play - Add cutscenes for pivotable moments and provide players with some RPG type choices in the heat of the moment. Roll this into improved diplomacy and internal governance decisions. Improve the relationship matrix so events and actions become more personal.

    Make the player / AI give a stuff when backstabbing and raiding lands. Have messengers / survivors give reports of the horror. Provide scenes where your diplomats visit enemy leaders, both thrones and forces in the field. Trade and treaty negotiations. Have messengers / spys report intrusions / discovery of enemy armies. Do the same for sieges, provide opportunity for leaders to exchange insults, terms, etc.

    Allow players to customise unit names, standards, training, patrons (gods, saints, etc) and equipment / appearance.

    In short, provide more than the standard TW battles, map and nominal pop-up text. Whilst the legacy model served well in the past, it is extremely dated for today's gamer.

    Create a world and draw the gamer into it.

    my2bob


    Fully support this. WH2 vortex movies and dilemma's was a step in the right direction. Really added something with regard to atmosphere. story etc.
  • BrakierBrakier Registered Users Posts: 1,528
    edited November 2017
    Attila and rome 2 is the latest two historical titels ca has put out, that dosent sound old to me imo, old to me is like rome 1 or empire.

  • hanesdavhanesdav Registered Users Posts: 913
    Brakier said:

    Attila and rome 2 is the latest two historical titels ca has put out, that dosent sound old to me imo, old to me is like rome 1 or empire.

    I agree. They once stated that the Rome 2 is the biggest they have ever done. This will probably dissapoint Empire TW players because I saw few post with statemenst like ETW is the biggest but that's not true. It has the biggest part of Earth but number of settlements and factions make it smaller than Rome 2. Everything older than ETW doesn't make sence. Shogun 2 and Napoleon are too small. Attila and Rome 2 are remaining. Size of Attila TW map is similar to Rome 2. It's hard to tell which one. I believe in Rome 2 because it still requires some patching. There are many unfixed thing. Testudos and other formations don't work properly. Cavarly is too weak and can't fight effectively even when attacking units from the rear. I will just mention naval battles because they have too many problems . Slingers and peasant level of archers are murdering units with big shields and armor ( units in testudo formation included ). Attila is just perfect. Cavarly can be considered too strong but that's all. They were saying that they will uptade this unknown title but Attila doesn't need any major uptades meanwhile Rome 2 relly needs some improvements.
  • jamreal18jamreal18 Senior Member Registered Users Posts: 9,089
    edited November 2017
    Very Nice!



    Another speculation thread, very nice!

    *************

    P.S.
    Guys, before your speculation gets derailed, dont forget the description of Sagas

    Eras (massive major releases in the series)
    Characters (spin-offs from Eras based on famous historical individuals)
    Sagas (spin-offs from Eras based on pivotal historical events)


    Many assume viking but they dont have connection from latest Era title made by CA which is Rome2.

    *VIKINGS is better if its made expansion for Medieval 3.
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  • sertoserto Junior Member Registered Users Posts: 5
  • Tenerife_BoyTenerife_Boy Member Registered Users Posts: 348
    Something about Alexander or Succesors <3 A proper hoplon shield grip, rework of the politics and family trees...bigger scaled ships as they look micro machine vessels right now...

  • Sughdian WarriorSughdian Warrior Senior Member Registered Users Posts: 187
    Darren just posted a video about the latest blog post. He expects we will see something come out in a few weeks, i.e. before the end of the year. I sure hope that is the case.
  • eXistenZ2eXistenZ2 Senior Member Registered Users Posts: 579

    Darren just posted a video about the latest blog post. He expects we will see something come out in a few weeks, i.e. before the end of the year. I sure hope that is the case.

    Lost count of the amount of times he said "speculation", "probably", "I think", "I hope". it doesnt give anything new

    Only thing he said is that there will be an announcement on the dlc in two weeks. no idea where he gets that idea. CA hasnt done a proper announcement for months, why would they do two in 3 weeks?
  • brossy4411brossy4411 WyomingRegistered Users Posts: 6
    I predict that it is Empire Total War. My reasoning is that there were so many complaints when they moved onto Napoleon. Ultimately you felt like they didn't finish Empire and there was so much potential to Empire and then came Napoleon, which felt like the same kind of game. I think finishing Empire, improving the game play, maybe adding a Theatre or two would be nice. Plus so many wars in the near era, like Thirty Days War or more.
  • mishu_warriormishu_warrior Registered Users Posts: 6
    edited November 2017
    As I said some time ago, the saga game will be "Total War : 1066". Now I have no doubts!
    The clues they gave us about time and place match with that and now we have the crow...
    Look at the Bayeux Tapestry (related to the Battle of Hastings), one of the most important artworks of the middle ages...the crow appears 3 times in the tapestry and stays for Harold Godwinson.
    IMO the intro of the new game will focus on the Tapestry.

    I would exclude Viking invasion or similar for many reasons: e.g. I can't see any turning point...1066 is doubtless a turning point; oh, and 1066 is not character based, as there are at least 3 main characters involveved!
  • jamreal18jamreal18 Senior Member Registered Users Posts: 9,089
  • FredrinFredrin Senior Member LondonRegistered Users Posts: 3,014
    ^ Yep, no surprises there!

    I did enjoy the theories about a Medieval II expansion though :D
  • mcar110mcar110 Member United KingdomRegistered Users Posts: 439
    edited November 2017
    jamreal18 said:


    Although I’m sure this is probably the campaign dlc, CA have said in the past not to assume that what is shown in the steam app (especially in terms of updates) is not set in stone.
  • VessingerVessinger Senior Member Registered Users Posts: 972

    I predict that it is Empire Total War. My reasoning is that there were so many complaints when they moved onto Napoleon. Ultimately you felt like they didn't finish Empire and there was so much potential to Empire and then came Napoleon, which felt like the same kind of game. I think finishing Empire, improving the game play, maybe adding a Theatre or two would be nice. Plus so many wars in the near era, like Thirty Days War or more.

    While I'd love for them to do an update for ETW, the artwork hint they released rules that out entirely. The evidence we have so far points fairly strongly towards a R 2 DLC.

    At this point, the only hope we have of any gunpowder era content is the NETW, because we haven't gotten any solid hints about it yet. We've only had the semi-solid hint that it won't be an era covered in previous games. That's still a pretty broad spectrum.

    It could be anything from ancient Babalyon to something more recent.

  • mmurray821mmurray821 Moderator Moderators Posts: 5,227
    Hmmmm.... teaser on the FB Total war page for Rome 2

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  • SiWISiWI Senior Member Registered Users Posts: 10,894
    edited November 2017
    Vessinger said:

    I predict that it is Empire Total War. My reasoning is that there were so many complaints when they moved onto Napoleon. Ultimately you felt like they didn't finish Empire and there was so much potential to Empire and then came Napoleon, which felt like the same kind of game. I think finishing Empire, improving the game play, maybe adding a Theatre or two would be nice. Plus so many wars in the near era, like Thirty Days War or more.

    At this point, the only hope we have of any gunpowder era content is the NETW, because we haven't gotten any solid hints about it yet. We've only had the semi-solid hint that it won't be an era covered in previous games. That's still a pretty broad spectrum.
    true but what speaks for such title is the fact that since FotS we didn't have one.
    Nothing shakes up the basic fell of a the battles, like having to change the basic formula of battle.

    I heard claims that on reddit, there were hint that screams TW Victorai but that guy didn't gave me his sources so yeah.


    And CA own teases are either totally generic or kinda hint more at a TW China (characters/animations ect..

    Hmmmm.... teaser on the FB Total war page for Rome 2

    If where would have been a debate about which games gets the more contend, then it is now settled ;)

    Also, it really does seem we get 3rd century Germanic wars/solider emperors.
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