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Proof that the HE are the real bad guys of the Warhammer world - look at that General

seienchinseienchin Senior MemberPosts: 4,569Registered Users
edited November 2017 in The Graveyard
Nazis in Ulthuan - I always knew it!!!


Now look at who lives in Ulthuan... Slim, tall mostly blue eyes blond dudes who kill everyone who wants to get close and are notorious for having fought at least one world war... It all adds up now!

Seriously though... What the heck? I am a big fan of WW2 games and can overlook Guderians political "flaws" (And dont say he wasnt a Nazi - he actually really was a Nazi, much more than most German Generals) when he is portrayed in WW2 games but why on earth would a High Elf general in Warhammer be named after him?
I knew they had that name in an early version for previewers of game 2 and it caused some backlash and in the regular game I have never seen him and thought he was removed but it seems in ME he is back...
It would be freaking hilarious if this is the product of a random name generator though... XD
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  • RuskRusk Posts: 45Registered Users
    I dont see any problem here.
  • seienchinseienchin Senior Member Posts: 4,569Registered Users
    edited November 2017
    Rusk said:

    I dont see any problem here.

    Good for you! Would you like to have a Druchii General named Sherman next? Or Lizardmen called Caesar?

    I prefer not to have historical names in warhammer... but maybe thats just me.
  • SiWISiWI Senior Member Posts: 9,074Registered Users
    I think the name comes from the fact that it vaguely sounds like "guardian", which is a fitting association for HE base on they self-view and pre endtimes lore.

    That this name is actually the name of a WW2 general, is probably "bad luck".
  • TheGuardianOfMetalTheGuardianOfMetal Senior Member Posts: 8,703Registered Users

    Every wrong is recorded! Every slight against us! Page after Page, etched in blood! Clan Gunnison! Karak Eight-Peaks! Josef Bugman!

    Yes! to Boris Todbringer as playable, subfaction leading Legendary Lord with Starting Position Middenheim instead for the Empire! NO to the lazy way of moving Gelt and Volkmar who both belong to Reikland!

    Where is Boris Todbringer? Have you seen him?
  • SiWISiWI Senior Member Posts: 9,074Registered Users
    seienchin said:

    Rusk said:

    I dont see any problem here.

    Good for you! Would you like to have a Druchii General named Sherman next? Or Lizardmen called Caesar?

    I prefer not to have historical names in warhammer... but maybe thats just me.
    That name would only be a problem because it doesn't sound DE.

    That it was the name of a... well war criminal is too big of a term? Wouldn't be at least my problem.
  • SakuraHeinzSakuraHeinz Junior Member Posts: 1,688Registered Users
    I could name my child Adolf and its still a name and has nothing to do with politics.


    I bet there are still people with the surname hitler.
  • Vanilla_GorillaVanilla_Gorilla Posts: 12,134Registered Users
    edited November 2017
    I think it's fairly safe to say this isn't deliberate, CA doesn't give me the "random insertion of Nazi references" vibe.

    I could name my child Adolf and its still a name and has nothing to do with politics.


    I bet there are still people with the surname hitler.

    In my country (Australia) you can't name your child that, or a list of other names that would generally lower the child's quality of life.

    Game 3 must have variety in its core races. Ogres, Chaos Dwarfs, Kislev, and Demons of Chaos in its full iconic, glorious, undivided glory.
  • SakuraHeinzSakuraHeinz Junior Member Posts: 1,688Registered Users

    I think it's fairly safe to say this isn't deliberate, CA doesn't give me the "random insertion of Nazi references" vibe.

    I could name my child Adolf and its still a name and has nothing to do with politics.


    I bet there are still people with the surname hitler.

    In my country (Australia) you can't name your child that, or a list of other names that would generally lower the child's quality of life.

    Australia has pretty sad rules overall its not a country that anyone should look up to.

    Violence in games results to bans.

    flatchested women banned from porn cause its pedophile.

    banning men from recruitment for military cause they need 50/50 woman quote.

    Just some examples of morale fanatism.

    Adolf name meaning is "Noble Wolf"
  • CaesarSahlertzCaesarSahlertz Posts: 1,399Registered Users
    When the heck did names become political?
  • SecuterSecuter Senior Member Denmark, Aarhus.Posts: 2,237Registered Users
    So, we have fallen down to making up perceived cross world historical references because of a shared name... just really... don't..
  • Vanilla_GorillaVanilla_Gorilla Posts: 12,134Registered Users

    I think it's fairly safe to say this isn't deliberate, CA doesn't give me the "random insertion of Nazi references" vibe.

    I could name my child Adolf and its still a name and has nothing to do with politics.


    I bet there are still people with the surname hitler.

    In my country (Australia) you can't name your child that, or a list of other names that would generally lower the child's quality of life.

    Australia has pretty sad rules overall its not a country that anyone should look up to.

    Violence in games results to bans.

    flatchested women banned from porn cause its pedophile.

    banning men from recruitment for military cause they need 50/50 woman quote.

    Just some examples of morale fanatism.

    Adolf name meaning is "Noble Wolf"
    Not a country anyone should look up to? Australia holds the record for the most quarters of consecutive growth, we're a nation built on immigration, we have some of the highest living standards and most livable cities of any country on earth. If your country was doing half as well as mine you'd be proud.

    You just posted a bunch of fake news about my country, please tell me where you're from so I may post similarly blatant lies about your nation.
    Game 3 must have variety in its core races. Ogres, Chaos Dwarfs, Kislev, and Demons of Chaos in its full iconic, glorious, undivided glory.
  • saellsaell Posts: 404Registered Users
    Karl franz was also a member if the waffen ss...
  • RhyndirRhyndir Posts: 251Registered Users
    Reminds me that I still want to do a trip to Brisbane, hell yeah.
  • Ephraim_DaltonEphraim_Dalton Senior Member Posts: 16,135Registered Users
    edited November 2017
    Did you know that Karl Franz is actually a character in the novel of "Das Boot"? He's the second engineer after Johann. He was left out of the movie and mini-series version. He's descibed as being jittery and prone to panic and at one point has almost a mental breakdown. I laughed my arse off when I read that.

  • seienchinseienchin Senior Member Posts: 4,569Registered Users
    edited November 2017
    saell said:

    Karl franz was also a member if the waffen ss...

    Hahahaha well ok that Would be funny. For the name Karl Franz I only find a german politician and famous gynecologist though...
    Carl Franz was an officer at the Wehrmacht though but I doubt anyone knows that...

    @Ephraim_Dalton
    That is very funny!
    Karl Franz is the germaniest German name anyways along with hubert Krautwurst (a SS officer... a really bad one).
  • saellsaell Posts: 404Registered Users
    Karl franz gebhart is his actual name xD
  • DraxynnicDraxynnic Posts: 4,393Registered Users
    SiWI said:

    seienchin said:

    Rusk said:

    I dont see any problem here.

    Good for you! Would you like to have a Druchii General named Sherman next? Or Lizardmen called Caesar?

    I prefer not to have historical names in warhammer... but maybe thats just me.
    That name would only be a problem because it doesn't sound DE.

    That it was the name of a... well war criminal is too big of a term? Wouldn't be at least my problem.
    Here we go again. Guderian was never charged with war crimes, and the controversies about him that I know of did not fall in that category. Simply being a Wehrmacht general did not make one a war criminal or a Nazi.

    His son was also a Bundeswehr general.

    It IS an unfortunate name, but for other reasons.

    I could name my child Adolf and its still a name and has nothing to do with politics.


    I bet there are still people with the surname hitler.

    Possibly not, actually. Last I heard Adolf's relatives were deliberately making the line extinct by not having children.
  • SakuraHeinzSakuraHeinz Junior Member Posts: 1,688Registered Users

    I think it's fairly safe to say this isn't deliberate, CA doesn't give me the "random insertion of Nazi references" vibe.

    I could name my child Adolf and its still a name and has nothing to do with politics.


    I bet there are still people with the surname hitler.

    In my country (Australia) you can't name your child that, or a list of other names that would generally lower the child's quality of life.

    Australia has pretty sad rules overall its not a country that anyone should look up to.

    Violence in games results to bans.

    flatchested women banned from porn cause its pedophile.

    banning men from recruitment for military cause they need 50/50 woman quote.

    Just some examples of morale fanatism.

    Adolf name meaning is "Noble Wolf"
    Not a country anyone should look up to? Australia holds the record for the most quarters of consecutive growth, we're a nation built on immigration, we have some of the highest living standards and most livable cities of any country on earth. If your country was doing half as well as mine you'd be proud.

    You just posted a bunch of fake news about my country, please tell me where you're from so I may post similarly blatant lies about your nation.
    Germany is pretty okay at the moment, I remember some Judge wanted to put a couple in prison for starting a facebook group that they dont wanted refugees in their small town and he said that they are racists and nazis and gave them 2 years probation pretty unfair and stupid.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_in_Australia
  • panda_express12panda_express12 Member Posts: 141Registered Users
    It's just a name. There is no need to be such a politically correct cry baby over it.

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  • SiWISiWI Senior Member Posts: 9,074Registered Users
    Draxynnic said:

    SiWI said:

    seienchin said:

    Rusk said:

    I dont see any problem here.

    Good for you! Would you like to have a Druchii General named Sherman next? Or Lizardmen called Caesar?

    I prefer not to have historical names in warhammer... but maybe thats just me.
    That name would only be a problem because it doesn't sound DE.

    That it was the name of a... well war criminal is too big of a term? Wouldn't be at least my problem.
    Here we go again. Guderian was never charged with war crimes, and the controversies about him that I know of did not fall in that category. Simply being a Wehrmacht general did not make one a war criminal or a Nazi.

    His son was also a Bundeswehr general.

    It IS an unfortunate name, but for other reasons.

    I could name my child Adolf and its still a name and has nothing to do with politics.


    I bet there are still people with the surname hitler.

    Possibly not, actually. Last I heard Adolf's relatives were deliberately making the line extinct by not having children.
    I was talking about General Sherman the guy for "scorched earth" the CSA in the american civil war....

    Which I think should be clear, if you reread the comment I wrote.
  • SiWISiWI Senior Member Posts: 9,074Registered Users

    I think it's fairly safe to say this isn't deliberate, CA doesn't give me the "random insertion of Nazi references" vibe.

    I could name my child Adolf and its still a name and has nothing to do with politics.


    I bet there are still people with the surname hitler.

    In my country (Australia) you can't name your child that, or a list of other names that would generally lower the child's quality of life.

    Australia has pretty sad rules overall its not a country that anyone should look up to.

    Violence in games results to bans.

    flatchested women banned from porn cause its pedophile.

    banning men from recruitment for military cause they need 50/50 woman quote.

    Just some examples of morale fanatism.

    Adolf name meaning is "Noble Wolf"
    Not a country anyone should look up to? Australia holds the record for the most quarters of consecutive growth, we're a nation built on immigration, we have some of the highest living standards and most livable cities of any country on earth. If your country was doing half as well as mine you'd be proud.

    You just posted a bunch of fake news about my country, please tell me where you're from so I may post similarly blatant lies about your nation.
    Germany is pretty okay at the moment, I remember some Judge wanted to put a couple in prison for starting a facebook group that they dont wanted refugees in their small town and he said that they are racists and nazis and gave them 2 years probation pretty unfair and stupid.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_in_Australia
    but germany also has laws that can forbid names for child concerns under various reasons...
  • Vanilla_GorillaVanilla_Gorilla Posts: 12,134Registered Users
    @SakuraHeinz I've asked a lot of people to do that, you're the first person who's ever done it. Turns out a lot of people like giving it out but don't like taking it, so good for you. I'd post a similar list of lies about Germany, but that would make me a hypocrite, so I won't.
    Game 3 must have variety in its core races. Ogres, Chaos Dwarfs, Kislev, and Demons of Chaos in its full iconic, glorious, undivided glory.
  • RamyamRamyam Posts: 22Registered Users
    In my opinion, stop mixing up names and historical figures, just cause a historical person had a certain name doens't change the names original meaning or condem it for all future.

    Sure I would't name my kid Adolf or take the name Hitler, and I know most if not all who had the last name hitler changed it but in my opinion they shouldn't have had to do that at all, having that name has nothing to do with Adolf hitlers action, most likely alot of people have done good deeds with that name aswell further back in history.

    And then this.. Guderian.. common it's not even one of the most famous people within the third reich, you'd only know about him if you were super interested in ww2, or a historian specialised in the world wars....


    Having names be bad or naturally correlate with every single historic person who had that name is just dumb if you ask me...


    If we followed that, should everytime a bad person who maybe murdered someone and go to jail make that name illegal to use or something like that?

    Someone will probly think yeah but only real bad peoples name in history, and my quetion to that is, where do you draw the line? who decides where to draw the line?

    People from different countries have different interpretations of history, even if not including actual fact checking, it would still be history from their point of view and a Hero to one might be the biggest villain to the other.


    so yeah, I think this post is rather silly.
  • LordCommanderLordCommander Posts: 924Registered Users
    Pretty sure I've had Empire characters called Adolf. Therefore CA named them after Hitler.

    Cool off snowflake OP.
  • seienchinseienchin Senior Member Posts: 4,569Registered Users
    edited November 2017

    Pretty sure I've had Empire characters called Adolf. Therefore CA named them after Hitler.

    Cool off snowflake OP.

    Sorry for invading your safe space dude.

    @SakuraHeinz I've asked a lot of people to do that, you're the first person who's ever done it. Turns out a lot of people like giving it out but don't like taking it, so good for you. I'd post a similar list of lies about Germany, but that would make me a hypocrite, so I won't.

    Dont worry about it dude. We Germans actually love Australia. Its one of the countries with the best image over here. I have no idea where someone would get so many lies about Australia but its definitely not a common thing in Germany.
    Draxynnic said:

    SiWI said:

    seienchin said:

    Rusk said:

    I dont see any problem here.

    Good for you! Would you like to have a Druchii General named Sherman next? Or Lizardmen called Caesar?

    I prefer not to have historical names in warhammer... but maybe thats just me.
    That name would only be a problem because it doesn't sound DE.

    That it was the name of a... well war criminal is too big of a term? Wouldn't be at least my problem.
    Here we go again. Guderian was never charged with war crimes, and the controversies about him that I know of did not fall in that category. Simply being a Wehrmacht general did not make one a war criminal or a Nazi.

    His son was also a Bundeswehr general.

    It IS an unfortunate name, but for other reasons.

    I could name my child Adolf and its still a name and has nothing to do with politics.


    I bet there are still people with the surname hitler.

    Possibly not, actually. Last I heard Adolf's relatives were deliberately making the line extinct by not having children.
    Sadly Guderian was an extreme Nazi who after the war joined a Nazi group trying to undermine the new Bundesrepublik and also was part of the army purges in 1944. He would have been trialed if he would have been around longer but he was not a priority war criminal.

    This is not my main point though. It feels strange having historic general names in the game but if its a coincidence its just really funny^^
  • Vanilla_GorillaVanilla_Gorilla Posts: 12,134Registered Users
    edited November 2017

    Pretty sure I've had Empire characters called Adolf. Therefore CA named them after Hitler.

    Cool off snowflake OP.

    Snowflake? Why are you calling him unique and beautiful?

    He simply doesn't want a reference to a WWII Nazi general in the game, how's that worthy of you insulting him?

    The more I think about it the more it's evident that "snowflake" means "What you're saying offends me to the point where I'm insulting you for it, stop saying it", which is ironic given it's intention is to deride someone for being too politically correct. You're applying your own political correctness.
    Game 3 must have variety in its core races. Ogres, Chaos Dwarfs, Kislev, and Demons of Chaos in its full iconic, glorious, undivided glory.
  • TheGuardianOfMetalTheGuardianOfMetal Senior Member Posts: 8,703Registered Users

    Pretty sure I've had Empire characters called Adolf. Therefore CA named them after Hitler.

    Cool off snowflake OP.

    Snowflake? Why are you calling him unique and beautiful?

    He simply doesn't want a reference to a WWII general in the game, how's that worthy of you insulting him?
    the problem is, that the Game is about Warhammer..: I think I've read more than once that "Heinrich Kemmler" (the name) had been based on "Heinrich Himmler" for example...

    we're talking friggin GWs, don't forget that.
    Every wrong is recorded! Every slight against us! Page after Page, etched in blood! Clan Gunnison! Karak Eight-Peaks! Josef Bugman!

    Yes! to Boris Todbringer as playable, subfaction leading Legendary Lord with Starting Position Middenheim instead for the Empire! NO to the lazy way of moving Gelt and Volkmar who both belong to Reikland!

    Where is Boris Todbringer? Have you seen him?
  • LordCommanderLordCommander Posts: 924Registered Users
    seienchin said:

    Pretty sure I've had Empire characters called Adolf. Therefore CA named them after Hitler.

    Cool off snowflake OP.

    Sorry for invading your safe space dude.

    It's okay, you seem to have made nice home there.
  • HeruwulfarHeruwulfar Junior Member Posts: 108Registered Users
    Regardless if the name is "good" or "bad" I don't want too obvious references to real history in a fantasy setting, it breaks my immersion.

    (Yes Warhammer already have some but one more doesn't make it any better.)
    -"If you're harpy and you know it clap your hands"
  • SherShahSuriSherShahSuri Junior Member Posts: 1,109Registered Users
    What's your point? I named an Empire lord Adolf Hitler once... and purged the Vampire Counts. Was really good for everyone. But don't worry... I put brothels and sports arenas in my labor camps too.
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