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It's disappointing. I very rarely used the feature but knowing I can't now cuts just that much more depth away. I really wish they would just fix issues instead if cutting them. Agent spam sucked... So fix it. Assassinations have been in since the start and if they are to be removed I think there should be a valid replacement.
I am sticking around for warhammer until the end but I seriously doubt CA can make a historical title with any of the depth I would require for me to take it seriously. I look at Rome 2 and wish the features that game had were in warhammer... And to me that game was barebones. Sad.
1. Agent spam hasn't been a problem for a while 2. Killing generals was a way too powerful tool for either AI or the player. Just tell me how exactly an Empire General manages to wound someone like Kholek without fighting the guy 3. Rome2's agents are obnoxious
Agent spam was unbelievably annoying in vanilla WH1. Maybe it was patched up gradually but since the majority of my campaigns were played early in the games life cycle and I didn't follow patch notes I wouldn't know. But if they were good by the time of Norsca release then why not roll with that instead of gutting them?
It's disappointing. I very rarely used the feature but knowing I can't now cuts just that much more depth away. I really wish they would just fix issues instead if cutting them. Agent spam sucked... So fix it. Assassinations have been in since the start and if they are to be removed I think there should be a valid replacement.
I am sticking around for warhammer until the end but I seriously doubt CA can make a historical title with any of the depth I would require for me to take it seriously. I look at Rome 2 and wish the features that game had were in warhammer... And to me that game was barebones. Sad.
1. Agent spam hasn't been a problem for a while 2. Killing generals was a way too powerful tool for either AI or the player. Just tell me how exactly an Empire General manages to wound someone like Kholek without fighting the guy 3. Rome2's agents are obnoxious
Agent spam was unbelievably annoying in vanilla WH1. Maybe it was patched up gradually but since the majority of my campaigns were played early in the games life cycle and I didn't follow patch notes I wouldn't know. But if they were good by the time of Norsca release then why not roll with that instead of gutting them?
So you haven't even played the game and yet render judgement? Also, please read #2 since that answers your question.
It's disappointing. I very rarely used the feature but knowing I can't now cuts just that much more depth away. I really wish they would just fix issues instead if cutting them. Agent spam sucked... So fix it. Assassinations have been in since the start and if they are to be removed I think there should be a valid replacement.
I am sticking around for warhammer until the end but I seriously doubt CA can make a historical title with any of the depth I would require for me to take it seriously. I look at Rome 2 and wish the features that game had were in warhammer... And to me that game was barebones. Sad.
1. Agent spam hasn't been a problem for a while 2. Killing generals was a way too powerful tool for either AI or the player. Just tell me how exactly an Empire General manages to wound someone like Kholek without fighting the guy 3. Rome2's agents are obnoxious
Agent spam was unbelievably annoying in vanilla WH1. Maybe it was patched up gradually but since the majority of my campaigns were played early in the games life cycle and I didn't follow patch notes I wouldn't know. But if they were good by the time of Norsca release then why not roll with that instead of gutting them?
So you haven't even played the game and yet render judgement? Also, please read #2 since that answers your question.
Yep... I played the game. Yep I've noticed the lack of assassination. I just stopped playing CAMPAIGNS and did mostly multi-player by the end of WH1. I also didn't render judgment on anything, I am disappointed in how a feature from the previous game is implemented in the sequel.
It isn't all black and white man, you're allowed to critize certain parts of the game. I love this game and most of CAs library. I only spend time with certain criticisms because I love it so much.
It's disappointing. I very rarely used the feature but knowing I can't now cuts just that much more depth away.
Being able to kill lords w/o even fighting them is what cut depth away. It was a crappy feature that should have never existed to begin with. I'll repeat myself: good riddance.
I'm so happy they removed Lord Assassination. It was annoying due to AI spam, and too easy to abuse as a player. They also gave heroes much better actions in general, meaning they are now very useful at all time, in and out of armies.
I would have made it where assassination can only occur if the target is already wounded, so that in order to assassinate, you have to go through a few stages of progression, each one harder. This presents the alternative of dealing with powerful Lords, yet the effort is as much work as if you raised a giant army to get him killed. This was the problem of assassination- it was too easy and simple an alternate mechanic to fighting. With Legendary Lords you merely extend the convalescence period. This relegates assassination from being potentially crippling and annoying, to just less annoying.
Corrected action is the most sincere form of apology.
Well it certainly makes the game even easier. I don't have to worry about agents anymore. And my agents couldn't successfully assassinate lords anyway when most crucial. The mechanic was completely lopsided, so CA probably just cut it for good. Unfortunately they didn't replace it with something better. They're Always cutting stuff man.
Also absurd that a goblin could assasinate Archaon, Thorgrim etc
I had a Gretchin (goblin) in 2nd ed. 40k kill Abaddon the Despoiler, once. It was GLORIOUS.
I also had a mek boy's force field catch on fire and he routed an entire army of imperial guard cuz of fear. Also glorious.
Man... older GW was so good T_T
Literally flipped a table when a 5 man unit of tzeentch terminators was wiped out completely by assault marine bolt pistols. There was only 5 assault marines......the amount of random that goes into TT can make it irksome.
On topic i feel like its important to reiterate that removing it was part of balancing out agents. I can honestly not tell you a time when I ever had Skarsniks army fight against a Lord led enemy. I just kept Sly out in front on the campaign map and killed every general before they could even participate. And yea i get it, i could choose not to do so. But why would I? Here I now gotta use him to either drop a couple hundred troops before the fight or kill caster heroes. Both actions still have impact without breaking into the absurdity that was wiping out every enemies leadership pre fight.
Literally flipped a table when a 5 man unit of tzeentch terminators was wiped out completely by assault marine bolt pistols. There was only 5 assault marines......the amount of random that goes into TT can make it irksome.
Did your opponent litteraly flip you after he witnessed you ruin his minis?
Literally flipped a table when a 5 man unit of tzeentch terminators was wiped out completely by assault marine bolt pistols. There was only 5 assault marines......the amount of random that goes into TT can make it irksome.
Did your opponent litteraly flip you after he witnessed you ruin his minis?
No but it was an expensive mistake on my part. Less so for his models, id had him almost tabled. More so for the Chaos Terminators that went half way across the room and Ahriman....
Literally flipped a table when a 5 man unit of tzeentch terminators was wiped out completely by assault marine bolt pistols. There was only 5 assault marines......the amount of random that goes into TT can make it irksome.
Did your opponent litteraly flip you after he witnessed you ruin his minis?
No but it was an expensive mistake on my part. Less so for his models, id had him almost tabled. More so for the Chaos Terminators that went half way across the room and Ahriman....
So you had him tabled but still made a tantrum about his last streak of luck? I'm sorry but that doesn't shine a very good light on you
Literally flipped a table when a 5 man unit of tzeentch terminators was wiped out completely by assault marine bolt pistols. There was only 5 assault marines......the amount of random that goes into TT can make it irksome.
Did your opponent litteraly flip you after he witnessed you ruin his minis?
No but it was an expensive mistake on my part. Less so for his models, id had him almost tabled. More so for the Chaos Terminators that went half way across the room and Ahriman....
So you had him tabled but still made a tantrum about his last streak of luck? I'm sorry but that doesn't shine a very good light on you
Bro have you played TT. **** he had to successful land all 5 shots. On a three up. He did. Then he had to wound on a 4 up with all five. He did. But then i had to fail five 2 or better armor saves. I **** yatzeed ones right after he broke statistical logic. Im allowed to be a little upset.
Just to put things in perspective you need a statistical 90 bolter shots to bring down 5 terminators. This son of a **** did it in just 5. He needed 18 rounds of shooting, not 1. If he fired at those terminators with just those 5 shots from the beginning of the game, and we waited to see how long it would take to kill them, it would take 3 entire games. If each game averages an hour long, usually more, then it would take three or more hours of him rolling those 5 dice at this unit every single turn to kill them. He did it, in about 30 seconds. I could have hit the gym, showered, had dinner with my wife, got a game of league in, and then drove back to the hobby store 10 minutes away and he'd only have just finally killed them. Within the context of a standard games time. I had every reason to be ****. Also this is off topic.
Bro have you played TT. **** he had to successful land all 5 shots. On a three up. He did. Then he had to wound on a 4 up with all five. He did. But then i had to fail five 2 or better armor saves. I **** yatzeed ones right after he broke statistical logic. Im allowed to be a little upset.
Yes, I've played WFB (greenskins) ever since the very beginning of 5th ed, and I was mostly playing goblins only (focus on common goblins, I like to be the underdog, and people who'd play goblins would always play night gobs, my army was pretty unique and popular) starting 6th ed. I know a thing or two about being completely dependant on dice rolls. I killed a chaos lord on chaos dragon with a unit of snotlings once, during 5th ed (anybody playing WFB would know how unlikely this was - snotlings are the most insignificant unit in the game, 5th ed lords, well... 5th edition wasn't called herohammer for no reason). My friend and I laughed our asses off for a good full minute. Different strokes of mind I guess. Honestly, someone would flip a table with my army on it, it wouldn't matter how buff he is or how obviously he'd mop the floor with me, I'd still deck him as hard as I could. I've literally spent hundreds of hours of my life painting those hundreds of goblins, I'd literally see red. Being "a little upset" means swearing, going out and smoking a cigarette, not tossing the whole thing around like an angry kid. No, that, you're not allowed to. You're not allowed to break the other kids toys over your own frustration.
edit: Her, anyway, I'll stop there, this is very very OT, sorry about that people.
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0 · Disagree AgreeIt isn't all black and white man, you're allowed to critize certain parts of the game. I love this game and most of CAs library. I only spend time with certain criticisms because I love it so much.
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0 · Disagree AgreeIt was a crappy feature that should have never existed to begin with. I'll repeat myself: good riddance.
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2 · Disagree AgreeI also had a mek boy's force field catch on fire and he routed an entire army of imperial guard cuz of fear. Also glorious.
Man... older GW was so good T_T
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0 · Disagree AgreeGeforce gtx 970
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0 · Disagree AgreeThis presents the alternative of dealing with powerful Lords, yet the effort is as much work as if you raised a giant army to get him killed. This was the problem of assassination- it was too easy and simple an alternate mechanic to fighting.
With Legendary Lords you merely extend the convalescence period. This relegates assassination from being potentially crippling and annoying, to just less annoying.
Corrected action is the most sincere form of apology.
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0 · Disagree Agreedaelin4 good idea.
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0 · Disagree AgreeOn topic i feel like its important to reiterate that removing it was part of balancing out agents. I can honestly not tell you a time when I ever had Skarsniks army fight against a Lord led enemy. I just kept Sly out in front on the campaign map and killed every general before they could even participate. And yea i get it, i could choose not to do so. But why would I? Here I now gotta use him to either drop a couple hundred troops before the fight or kill caster heroes. Both actions still have impact without breaking into the absurdity that was wiping out every enemies leadership pre fight.
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0 · Disagree AgreeGreenskins don't have a unit that can assault troops... or train... or spread public order...
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0 · Disagree AgreeTop #3 Leaderboard on Warhammer Totalwar.
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0 · Disagree AgreeSame goes for Skarsnik, who is in dire need of decent lords to have his army perform.
Same goes for bretonnian lords and their vows.
Got a grail-vow lord that has a few grail knights? Well look, he is assassinated and nor your economy is ****... YAY
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1 · Disagree AgreeJust to put things in perspective you need a statistical 90 bolter shots to bring down 5 terminators. This son of a **** did it in just 5. He needed 18 rounds of shooting, not 1. If he fired at those terminators with just those 5 shots from the beginning of the game, and we waited to see how long it would take to kill them, it would take 3 entire games. If each game averages an hour long, usually more, then it would take three or more hours of him rolling those 5 dice at this unit every single turn to kill them. He did it, in about 30 seconds. I could have hit the gym, showered, had dinner with my wife, got a game of league in, and then drove back to the hobby store 10 minutes away and he'd only have just finally killed them. Within the context of a standard games time. I had every reason to be ****. Also this is off topic.
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0 · Disagree AgreeI killed a chaos lord on chaos dragon with a unit of snotlings once, during 5th ed (anybody playing WFB would know how unlikely this was - snotlings are the most insignificant unit in the game, 5th ed lords, well... 5th edition wasn't called herohammer for no reason). My friend and I laughed our asses off for a good full minute. Different strokes of mind I guess.
Honestly, someone would flip a table with my army on it, it wouldn't matter how buff he is or how obviously he'd mop the floor with me, I'd still deck him as hard as I could. I've literally spent hundreds of hours of my life painting those hundreds of goblins, I'd literally see red.
Being "a little upset" means swearing, going out and smoking a cigarette, not tossing the whole thing around like an angry kid. No, that, you're not allowed to. You're not allowed to break the other kids toys over your own frustration.
edit: Her, anyway, I'll stop there, this is very very OT, sorry about that people.
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