Should Daemons of Chaos have Legendary Lords that are Greater Daemons, or other named characters?

mw51630#6772

So the title of this page might be confusing, so I'll explain further. I've noticed many of the most important characters for Daemons of Chaos tend to be Greater Daemons, for example Skarbrand, Ku'Gath or Kairos. And they are frequently mentioned as potential/likely Legendary Lords by people on this forum.

However, one of my favorite things about Legendary Lords is their uniqueness. There isn't any Dark Elf that looks like Malekith, nor any Orc like Grimgor. But many of these Greater Daemons characters are aesthetically very similar to their unnamed peers, with some variations.

So for example, here is the current Lord of Change;



And here is Kairos, arguably the most unique/relevant Lord of Change.



Now they're obviously different (Kairos has two friggin heads) but they're pretty similar. So my question is, would it be better if instead of getting Kairos as an LL, you instead got the Changeling?



Now, I still want Kairos in the game, and I think the new Tomb Kings mechanic that allows you to recruit VIP characters is the perfect mechanic to recruit named and lore important Greater Daemons like Kairos or Skarbrand (complete with their unique looks). But I still like the idea of these more unique looking characters instead of more generic ones.

So for example, instead of for each god; Kairos, N'Kari, Ku'Gath and Skarbrand...

It's something like; Changeling, the Masque, the Glottkin, and Valkia.

Am I right, or am I missing something here?

OdTengri#8235

Depends, If they go Named Grater Daemons my list would be as follows.

Undevided - Be'lakor

Khorne - Ka'Bandha
Slaanesh - N'Kari
Nurgle - Ku'gath Plaguefather
Tzeentch - Kairos Fateweaver

If they are going for Deamon Princes

Undevided - Be'lakor

Khorne - Valkia
Slaanesh - Azazel
Nurgle - Epidemius
Tzeentch - ??? The Changeling

If they are going for Daemonic Heralds

Undevided - Be'lakor

Khorne - Skulltaker
Slaanesh - The Masque
Nurgle - Festerheart
Tzeentch -The Blue Scribes

Commissar_G#7535

Daemon Princes are much more likely to be part of the revamped WoC roster no?

Beast_of_Guanyin#8747

Why not both? 2 LL for each subfaction.

Commissar_G#7535

Vanilla_Gorilla said:

Why not both? 2 LL for each subfaction.

I would have assumed this list:

OdTengri said:

If they go Named Grater Daemons

Undevided - Be'lakor

Khorne - Ka'Bandha
Slaanesh - N'Kari
Nurgle - Ku'gath Plaguefather
Tzeentch - Kairos Fateweaver


If they are going for Daemonic Heralds

Undevided - Be'lakor

Khorne - Skulltaker
Slaanesh - The Masque
Nurgle - Festerheart
Tzeentch -The Blue Scribes

DEM0N_LLAMA#6201

Kholek, Durthu, Alberic de Bordeleaux don't seem super different from some units so I don't see why they should change it for Daemons of Chaos.

Intertriarriiae#9221

I would like to see a 1:1 situation to start off with.

Like ka'bandha and skulltaker for example

Beast_of_Guanyin#8747

@Commissar_G I'd assume it's likely we'll see some combination of the 4 as part of the base game with the other 4 as part of a lord pack.

TheGuardianOfMetal#3661

OdTengri said:

Depends, If they go Named Grater Daemons my list would be as follows.

Undevided - Be'lakor

Khorne - Ka'Bandha
Slaanesh - N'Kari
Nurgle - Ku'gath Plaguefather
Tzeentch - Kairos Fateweaver

If they are going for Deamon Princes

Undevided - Be'lakor

Khorne - Valkia
Slaanesh - Azazel
Nurgle - Epidemius
Tzeentch - ??? The Changeling

If they are going for Daemonic Heralds

Undevided - Be'lakor

Khorne - Skulltaker
Slaanesh - The Masque
Nurgle - Festerheart
Tzeentch -The Blue Scribes

Valkia is a WoC not DoC character

Ludbone#5956

This amount of LL yells at 4 Chaos factions

KhorneFlakes

just give me galrauch,valkia,crom..etc for woc thanks

Woc already got its roster split already with norsca

ArecBalrin#2350

I just want a Keeper of Secrets with boobs for eyes.

VincentNZ

I am pretty sure if we get all four as playable, CA will come up with a mixture again of monstrous/demonic/humanish LLs and the typical ranged/melee/magic/hybrid stuff.

And I guess they will introduce "iconic" named characters before making up new ones or bringing a rather generic LL. After all, game 3 will be mostly about Chaos as a selling point besides the other three factions so they should definitely deliver in that department.

Horus38#7265

My gut leans towards being able to recruit greater demons but not having them as LL. They also may do something similar to the favor system we saw with Norsca but to a much broader/deeper extent.

misunderstoodvampire#7653

ArecBalrin said:

I just want a Keeper of Secrets with boobs for eyes.

My eyes are down here!

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OdTengri#8235

Commissar_G said:

Daemon Princes are much more likely to be part of the revamped WoC roster no?

Let's hope.

TheShiroOfDalton

Why are people so hellbent to give Valkia to the DoC? She's a WoC character. Khorne has enough daemonic champions of his own so there's no need to crib from other races.

IzzyStradlin#2842

I think i'd absolutely prefer Greater Daemons. Daemon Princes should go to the Warriors of Chaos though - we do not need both.

Jam#4399

Question:

What is the difference between divided and undivided chaos?

How about their roster?

mw51630#6772

Ephraim_Dalton said:

Why are people so hellbent to give Valkia to the DoC? She's a WoC character. Khorne has enough daemonic champions of his own so there's no need to crib from other races.

Not hellbent, but at this point I think it's unlikely WoC are getting updates, and she's the only female Khorne character I know. I just think she's cool tbh.

FinishingLast#1402

CA has said that they intended to update WoC when game 3 came out. Now whether that's still true as that was written back when the first game came out is anyone's guess. But even then, I wouldn't expect much more than maybe marked Chaos units. I wouldn't take my expectations too high on anything there.

OdTengri#8235

Ephraim_Dalton said:

Why are people so hellbent to give Valkia to the DoC? She's a WoC character. Khorne has enough daemonic champions of his own so there's no need to crib from other races.

I'm not, I broke things down by category.

There are three possible groupings that they could pull from to make lords for the Deamons of Chaos.

- Daemons Princes
- Daemons Heralds
- Greater Daemons

Valkia is simply the most iconic daemon prince of Khorne.

Personally I hope they go with named charters that are Daemonic Heralds.

My Ideal List would be

Undevided - Be'lakor

Khorne - Skulltaker
Slaanesh - The Masque
Nurgle - Epidemius
Tzeentch -The Blue Scribes

I'm utterly unamazed when someone gets their pants in a twist because someone else gives a rough approximation of what could happen.

Its as if I said "It might snow this week" and your responding with "Why on earth would you want it to Snow"

A lot of this all depends on what CA wants to do with Daemons of Chaos, something that I don't presume to know, but for the sake of argument CA sits you down and says.

"Ok we have decided to make Daemon Princes our generic lord choice for DoC, what Named Characters that are Daemon Princes would you like to see? We need one for each Dark God."

What ones would you choose and why @Ephraim_Dalton and @TheGuardianOfMetal

Intertriarriiae#9221

jamreal18 said:

Question:

What is the difference between divided and undivided chaos?

How about their roster?

Chaos undivided means the warriors that do not serve a single god.

Chaos divided is split between the 4 (5) chaos gods:
-khorne followers/worshippers
-tzeentch ""
-nurgle ""
-slaanesh ""
(-malal "")

Valkia the bloody for example is a khorne worshipper. People want these armies divided because followers of the different chaos gods often fight each other. In that way it would be weird to add valkia to a nurgle army.

HisShadowBG#8316

OdTengri said:

Ephraim_Dalton said:

Why are people so hellbent to give Valkia to the DoC? She's a WoC character. Khorne has enough daemonic champions of his own so there's no need to crib from other races.

I'm not, I broke things down by category.

There are three possible groupings that they could pull from to make lords for the Deamons of Chaos.

- Daemons Princes
- Daemons Heralds
- Greater Daemons

Valkia is simply the most iconic daemon prince of Khorne.

Personally I hope they go with named charters that are Daemonic Heralds.

My Ideal List would be

Undevided - Be'lakor

Khorne - Skulltaker
Slaanesh - The Masque
Nurgle - Epidemius
Tzeentch -The Blue Scribes

I'm utterly unamazed when someone gets their pants in a twist because someone else gives a rough approximation of what could happen.

Its as if I said "It might snow this week" and your responding with "Why on earth would you want it to Snow"

A lot of this all depends on what CA wants to do with Daemons of Chaos, something that I don't presume to know, but for the sake of argument CA sits you down and says.

"Ok we have decided to make Daemon Princes our generic lord choice for DoC, what Named Characters that are Daemon Princes would you like to see? We need one for each Dark God."

What ones would you choose and why @Ephraim_Dalton and @TheGuardianOfMetal

I am pretty sure N'Kari is demon prince what exactly is the difference b/e Demon Princes and Greater Demons?

IzzyStradlin#2842

FinishingLast said:

CA has said that they intended to update WoC when game 3 came out. Now whether that's still true as that was written back when the first game came out is anyone's guess. But even then, I wouldn't expect much more than maybe marked Chaos units. I wouldn't take my expectations too high on anything there.

Pardon my asking, but they did?

Sagranda

IzzyStradlin said:

FinishingLast said:

CA has said that they intended to update WoC when game 3 came out. Now whether that's still true as that was written back when the first game came out is anyone's guess. But even then, I wouldn't expect much more than maybe marked Chaos units. I wouldn't take my expectations too high on anything there.

Pardon my asking, but they did?

CA's post about the Chaos Pre-Order "outrage" can be interpreted as such, but it is imho rather vague

Intertriarriiae#9221

A greater demon is created by the chaos gods (aka daemon when created) and a daemon prince is an, to daemonhood, elevated chaos worshipper (aka human turned into daemon). A daemon prince can however still be aligned to a single god.

FinishingLast#1402

sagranda2 said:

IzzyStradlin said:

FinishingLast said:

CA has said that they intended to update WoC when game 3 came out. Now whether that's still true as that was written back when the first game came out is anyone's guess. But even then, I wouldn't expect much more than maybe marked Chaos units. I wouldn't take my expectations too high on anything there.

Pardon my asking, but they did?

CA's post about the Chaos Pre-Order "outrage" can be interpreted as such, but it is imho rather vague

Yeah they say that Chaos was never intended to be playable in game 1 and that game 3 will unleash the full horrors of Chaos. Many believe that this means that they originally intended to not have Chaos playable in game 1 and it would have been expanded on and release in game 3. The hope is that now that they did Chaos as a pre-order for game 1 that it'll still be fleshed out when they flesh out the rest of Chaos in game 3 just as they intended.

Basically, they said that they intended to flesh out WoC more. Whether or not they still will is anybody's guess though. I just quote it to give people hope in these dark times.

Surge_2#1464

Why do we keep talking Ka'Bandha, when it should (and almost certainly would) be Skarbrand?

Anyway, 4 Legendary Lords, and yes they should be the Greater Daemons.

Belakor is a different thing, but yeah I would include him as a LL for sure.

Heralds are cool and all, but I'll take the Greater Daemons every single day. As far as the context of this game goes, I would put Heralds at the Hero level, not the Lord level.

OdTengri#8235

HisShadowBG said:

OdTengri said:

Ephraim_Dalton said:

Why are people so hellbent to give Valkia to the DoC? She's a WoC character. Khorne has enough daemonic champions of his own so there's no need to crib from other races.

I'm not, I broke things down by category.

There are three possible groupings that they could pull from to make lords for the Deamons of Chaos.

- Daemons Princes
- Daemons Heralds
- Greater Daemons

Valkia is simply the most iconic daemon prince of Khorne.

Personally I hope they go with named charters that are Daemonic Heralds.

My Ideal List would be

Undevided - Be'lakor

Khorne - Skulltaker
Slaanesh - The Masque
Nurgle - Epidemius
Tzeentch -The Blue Scribes

I'm utterly unamazed when someone gets their pants in a twist because someone else gives a rough approximation of what could happen.

Its as if I said "It might snow this week" and your responding with "Why on earth would you want it to Snow"

A lot of this all depends on what CA wants to do with Daemons of Chaos, something that I don't presume to know, but for the sake of argument CA sits you down and says.

"Ok we have decided to make Daemon Princes our generic lord choice for DoC, what Named Characters that are Daemon Princes would you like to see? We need one for each Dark God."

What ones would you choose and why @Ephraim_Dalton and @TheGuardianOfMetal

I am pretty sure N'Kari is demon prince what exactly is the difference b/e Demon Princes and Greater Demons?

Well then you'd be wrong, very very wrong. N'Kari is a Keeper of Secrets making him/her/it a Greater Daemon, a Named Character that is a Greater Daemon.

The difference between a Daemon Prince and a Greater daemon is that on TT they are entirely different models with entirely different statistics and entirely different rules. If you didn't know that maybe you shouldn't be sounding off, maybe you aren't informed upon the subject for which you speak.