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Should Daemons of Chaos have Legendary Lords that are Greater Daemons, or other named characters?

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  • HisShadowBGHisShadowBG Registered Users Posts: 2,545
    edited January 2018
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  • mw51630mw51630 Member Registered Users Posts: 1,593
    The most unique Greater Daemons I know of are Kairos, who I posted a pic of in original post, Skarbrand;



    N'Kari (who is already mentioned in game, this is a conversion)



    And Ku'Gath, who doesn't have a model but is described as being carried on a palanquin of Nurglings, so awesome.
  • lordreaven448lordreaven448 Registered Users Posts: 250
    edited January 2018
    I hope Nurgle gets the new character Rotigus in the new daemons book.

    Now before people yell that it's "AoS" I need not remind them that daemons are a crossover faction.



  • Arcani_4_EverArcani_4_Ever Junior Member Registered Users Posts: 2,373
    edited January 2018
    Daemons of Chaos should have a Greater Daemon as main LL with a Lesser Daemon as 2nd LL.

    Daemons of Slaanesh - N'kari as main LL, The Masque of Slaanesh as 2nd LL
    Daemons of Nurgle - Ku'gath Plaguefather main LL, Epidemius as 2nd LL
    Daemons of Tzeentch - Kairos Fateweaver main LL, the Changeling as 2nd LL
    Daemons of Khorne - Skarrbrand the Exiled as main LL, Uz'hul Skulltaker as 2nd LL.

    DLC - Daemons of Chaos Undivided - LL Be'lakor the Dark Master.

    FLC - Karanak the Hound of Khorne, Azazel the Prince of Damnation, The Blue Scribes of Tzeentch, The Glottkin of Nurgle.

    WoC Divided LLs

    Warriors of Slaanesh - Sigvald the Magnificent
    Warriors of Nurgle - Festus the Leechlord
    Warriors of Tzeentch - Vilitch the Curseling
    Warriors of Khorne - Valkia the Bloody

    FLC WoC Divided LLs - Galrauch the First Chaos Dragon for Tzeentch, Scylla Anfyngrimm for Khorne.

    DLC Race - Kurgan Tribes - LL's Vardek Crom, the Conqueror and Tamurkhan, the Maggot Lord

    Add Norsca from Part 2, the Beastmen,

    And Chaos finally is fully represented.
  • Surge_2Surge_2 Registered Users Posts: 1,694
    The Keeper Model is going to be interesting, I REALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLY hope GW gets off its ass and updates Slaanesh before game 3.

    The alternative I guess would be the Forge World Keeper...which I would not lament.
  • MiniaArMiniaAr Registered Users Posts: 364
    edited January 2018

    Daemons of Chaos should have a Greater Daemon as main LL with a Lesser Daemon as 2nd LL.

    Daemons of Slaanesh - N'kari as main LL, The Masque of Slaanesh as 2nd LL
    Daemons of Nurgle - Ku'gath Plaguefather main LL, Epidemius as 2nd LL
    Daemons of Tzeentch - Kairos Fateweaver main LL, the Changeling as 2nd LL
    Daemons of Khorne - Skarrbrand the Exiled as main LL, Uz'hul Skulltaker as 2nd LL.

    DLC - Daemons of Chaos Undivided - LL Be'lakor the Dark Master.

    FLC - Karanak the Hound of Khorne, Azazel the Prince of Damnation, The Blue Scribes of Tzeentch, The Glottkin of Nurgle.

    WoC Divided LLs

    Warriors of Slaanesh - Sigvald the Magnificent
    Warriors of Nurgle - Festus the Leechlord
    Warriors of Tzeentch - Vilitch the Curseling
    Warriors of Khorne - Valkia the Bloody

    FLC WoC Divided LLs - Galrauch the First Chaos Dragon for Tzeentch, Scylla Anfyngrimm for Khorne.

    DLC Race - Kurgan Tribes - LL's Vardek Crom, the Conqueror and Tamurkhan, the Maggot Lord

    Add Norsca from Part 2, the Beastmen,

    And Chaos finally is fully represented.

    I think this is great, but a tad optimistic.

    If game 3 gives 4 divided deamons faction, which I hope (at game start or through lord packs), then I expect 1 LL for each first, and 1 additional FLC LL and/or Lord Packs then.

    For example, starting LLs for Deamons of Chaos:
    aemons of Slaanesh - N'kari
    Daemons of Nurgle - Ku'gath Plaguefather
    Daemons of Tzeentch - Kairos Fateweaver
    Daemons of Khorne - Skarrbrand the Exiled

    Then Lord Packs and FLC LLs would add the others:

    Daemons of Slaanesh - The Masque of Slaanesh as 2nd LL
    Daemons of Nurgle - Epidemius
    Daemons of Tzeentch - The Changeling
    Daemons of Khorne - Uz'hul Skulltaker

    Also, I don't really understand why Be'lakor the Dark Master is considered a DOC LL. Wasn't he in the Warriors of Chaos Books?
    In my opinion, he should be added as a replacement undivided LL for DOC, when Sigvald righly moves as the LL for Warriors of Slaanesh.

    I fully support this list as well:

    Warriors of Slaanesh - Sigvald the Magnificent
    Warriors of Nurgle - Festus the Leechlord
    Warriors of Tzeentch - Vilitch the Curseling
    Warriors of Khorne - Valkia the Bloody

    And finally, a Kurgan tribes DLC would be awesome. Game 3 lacks DLC races as it is, and they would be a fine addition.
    If the Beastmen and DOC rosters are completed, then I would consider that I've "been exposed to the full horror of Chaos", as CA put it.
  • LudboneLudbone Registered Users Posts: 1,158
    edited January 2018
    If the game 3 comes with the 4 Chaos Factions + Kislev pre-order DLC... there's no problem for DLC races.

    We have still Ogre Kingdoms and Chaos Dawi...and maybe another one like Norsca.

    And starting 2 LL like everyone. Another one/two as FLC and probably another with a Lord Pack.
    Beastmen: where is the love?


  • Commissar_GCommissar_G Senior Member Registered Users Posts: 10,254
    Ludbone said:

    If the game 3 comes with the 4 Chaos Factions + Kislev pre-order DLC... there's no problem for DLC races.

    We have still Ogre Kingdoms and Chaos Dawi...and maybe another one like Norsca.

    And starting 2 LL like everyone. Another one/two as FLC and probably another with a Lord Pack.

    The problem remains however selling 1 race padded out into 4 as an "entire game" is impossible to justify.
    "As a sandbox game everyone, without exception, should be able to play the game exactly as they see fit and that means providing the maximum scope possible." - ~UNiOnJaCk~
  • makar55makar55 Registered Users Posts: 1,883

    Ludbone said:

    If the game 3 comes with the 4 Chaos Factions + Kislev pre-order DLC... there's no problem for DLC races.

    We have still Ogre Kingdoms and Chaos Dawi...and maybe another one like Norsca.

    And starting 2 LL like everyone. Another one/two as FLC and probably another with a Lord Pack.

    The problem remains however selling 1 race padded out into 4 as an "entire game" is impossible to justify.
    It worked for historical titles for years.
  • GalenHHHGalenHHH Junior Member Registered Users Posts: 1,233

    Ludbone said:

    If the game 3 comes with the 4 Chaos Factions + Kislev pre-order DLC... there's no problem for DLC races.

    We have still Ogre Kingdoms and Chaos Dawi...and maybe another one like Norsca.

    And starting 2 LL like everyone. Another one/two as FLC and probably another with a Lord Pack.

    The problem remains however selling 1 race padded out into 4 as an "entire game" is impossible to justify.
    Define "race"...Because to me DoT and DoN if made properly can become more different and unique when compared to each other than lests say Empire and Brettonia currently are or DEs/HEs and WEs.
  • TayvarTayvar Registered Users Posts: 10,877

    Why are people so hellbent to give Valkia to the DoC? She's a WoC character. Khorne has enough Daemonic Champions of his own so there's no need to crib from other races.

    Well Daemon Princes are still an type of Daemons, not Daemons by 'birth' but still. Also the Daemons of Chaos are going to be an Core Faction/Factions and so it's would be much easier to add more Characters for their roster. Also Norsca already taken Two Legendary Lords from the Warriors of Chaos roster, so the Daemons of Chaos can do it too.
  • GalenHHHGalenHHH Junior Member Registered Users Posts: 1,233
    edited January 2018
    Tayvar said:

    . Also Norsca already taken Two Legendary Lords from the Warriors of Chaos roster, so the Daemons of Chaos can do it too.

    Quality argument right there...
  • Commissar_GCommissar_G Senior Member Registered Users Posts: 10,254
    edited January 2018
    makar55 said:

    It worked for historical titles for years.

    It will be compared to Warhammer 1 and 2, not to historical titles, and found lacking.
    GalenHHH said:


    Define "race"...

    It's annoying that I need to say this, because I know you know this, but for the sake of others viewing.



    = 1 race. Games Workshop has called the specific army books races since as long as I ever played it.
    "As a sandbox game everyone, without exception, should be able to play the game exactly as they see fit and that means providing the maximum scope possible." - ~UNiOnJaCk~
  • TayvarTayvar Registered Users Posts: 10,877

    What exactly is the difference b/e Daemon Princes and Greater Daemons?

    Daemon Princes are Former Mortals, while Greater Daemons was always Daemons. It was also used an justification to put the Daemon Princes in the Warriors of Chaos roster instead of the Daemons of Chaos roster, even though they are quite perfectly fitting for both. Also if the Warriors of Chaos and Daemons of Chaos would fuse back, it would not matter.

    http://warhammerfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Daemon_Prince
  • GalenHHHGalenHHH Junior Member Registered Users Posts: 1,233

    makar55 said:

    It worked for historical titles for years.

    It will be compared to Warhammer 1 and 2, not to historical titles, and found lacking.
    GalenHHH said:


    Define "race"...

    It's annoying that I need to say this, because I know you know this, but for the sake of others viewing.



    = 1 race. Games Workshop has called the specific army books races since as long as I ever played it.
    It would be found lacking only for those that consider races to be the only content worth having.Or those that consider that each armybook can only support 1 "race"...

    True in GW mind DoC are one army.And so are WoC yet here we are with WoC being split into "WoC" and Norsca.What makes DoC that different that stops CA from creating/borrowing models like they did with Norsca?!
  • JestamaneJestamane Registered Users Posts: 161
    Im really interested on how theyre going to do this. What will be the first 4 starting factions? Will they all be chaos? Or will chaos be DLC and they have chaos dwarves and the ogre kingdom. VERY interested, if anyone can explain what they think will happen.
  • TayvarTayvar Registered Users Posts: 10,877
    Jestamane said:

    I'm really interested on how they're going to do this. What will be the first 4 starting factions? Will they all be chaos? Or will Chaos be DLC and they have Chaos Dwarves and the Ogre Kingdoms. VERY interested, if anyone can explain what they think will happen.

    There is many ways to do it, and CA needs to choose one. Fusing back the Warriors of Chaos and the Daemons of Chaos to some extend is also an option, in a similar way as the Wood Elves and the Forest Spirits work in Total War. The fact that CA added the Lord of Change for Warriors of Chaos and Norsca also support that.
  • OdTengriOdTengri Registered Users Posts: 3,565
    edited January 2018
    MiniaAr said:

    Also, I don't really understand why Be'lakor the Dark Master is considered a DOC LL. Wasn't he in the Warriors of Chaos Books?

    Because hes the only character that is both.

    A ) A Daemon

    - AND -

    B ) Undivided

    Be'lakor was not available to either DoC or WoC in 8th edition. "If" CA wants a Daemon that is Undivided as a LL for DoC hes the only option, of course they might not do that.
    Tayvar said:

    What exactly is the difference b/e Daemon Princes and Greater Daemons?

    Daemon Princes are Former Mortals, while Greater Daemons was always Daemons. It was also used an justification to put the Daemon Princes in the Warriors of Chaos roster instead of the Daemons of Chaos roster, even though they are quite perfectly fitting for both. Also if the Warriors of Chaos and Daemons of Chaos would fuse back, it would not matter.

    http://warhammerfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Daemon_Prince
    Just an FYI generic Daemon Princes are Lord options for DoC in 8th edition as well as WoC. Valkia was the only character Daemon Prince in 8th ed and she was a WoC option only.
    Give us Doombull, Great Bray-Shaman, Wargor, and Tuskgor Chariot.

  • mw51630mw51630 Member Registered Users Posts: 1,593
    Tayvar said:

    What exactly is the difference b/e Daemon Princes and Greater Daemons?

    Daemon Princes are Former Mortals, while Greater Daemons was always Daemons. It was also used an justification to put the Daemon Princes in the Warriors of Chaos roster instead of the Daemons of Chaos roster, even though they are quite perfectly fitting for both. Also if the Warriors of Chaos and Daemons of Chaos would fuse back, it would not matter.

    http://warhammerfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Daemon_Prince
    That's mostly true but somehow N'Kari used to be a High Elf and became a Greater Daemon.
  • HisShadowBGHisShadowBG Registered Users Posts: 2,545
    mw51630 said:

    Tayvar said:

    What exactly is the difference b/e Daemon Princes and Greater Daemons?

    Daemon Princes are Former Mortals, while Greater Daemons was always Daemons. It was also used an justification to put the Daemon Princes in the Warriors of Chaos roster instead of the Daemons of Chaos roster, even though they are quite perfectly fitting for both. Also if the Warriors of Chaos and Daemons of Chaos would fuse back, it would not matter.

    http://warhammerfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Daemon_Prince
    That's mostly true but somehow N'Kari used to be a High Elf and became a Greater Daemon.
    Huh?
  • mw51630mw51630 Member Registered Users Posts: 1,593

    mw51630 said:

    Tayvar said:

    What exactly is the difference b/e Daemon Princes and Greater Daemons?

    Daemon Princes are Former Mortals, while Greater Daemons was always Daemons. It was also used an justification to put the Daemon Princes in the Warriors of Chaos roster instead of the Daemons of Chaos roster, even though they are quite perfectly fitting for both. Also if the Warriors of Chaos and Daemons of Chaos would fuse back, it would not matter.

    http://warhammerfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Daemon_Prince
    That's mostly true but somehow N'Kari used to be a High Elf and became a Greater Daemon.
    Huh?
    Here's a quote from 1d4chan, for a funny description of N'Kari...

    In Warhammer Fantasy, N'kari was a High Elf in the Cult of Pleasure who found a patron in Slaanesh (as Slaanesh is less inclined to eat Dandelion-eater souls as he is to make them into Daemonettes in Fantasy). N'kari usurped the position of Dechala as Slaanesh's favorite, and has corrupted many mortals since then, and is the one who commonly sends messages to Slaanesh's mortal champions.
    Thanks to the time >:) of the Warp, however, she managed to predate herself, and was a powerful Keeper of Secrets from primordial times that fought Aenarion the Defender a couple of times then got trapped in the fabric of a magical vortex created by Caledor the Dragontamer and friends to block Chaos from the World. She eventually got out, and to her props even Malekith was on edge about the whole thing. She proceeded to wreak unspeakable carnage in Ulthuan, hunted Anarion's descendants, and tried to destroy the Shrine of Asuryan, but that last one didn't work out too well.
    As a result, N'Kari has played Saturday morning cartoon villain to the T&T twins (Tyrion and Teclis) ever since, appearing and taunting them, getting an >:) whooping (and a corpse- >:) from Tyrion most likely), then popping back into the Warp while shrieking about how he will be back and they won't be so lucky next time until the next time actually comes which ends up as just a rinse/repeat of the last time.
  • Commissar_GCommissar_G Senior Member Registered Users Posts: 10,254

    mw51630 said:

    Tayvar said:

    What exactly is the difference b/e Daemon Princes and Greater Daemons?

    Daemon Princes are Former Mortals, while Greater Daemons was always Daemons. It was also used an justification to put the Daemon Princes in the Warriors of Chaos roster instead of the Daemons of Chaos roster, even though they are quite perfectly fitting for both. Also if the Warriors of Chaos and Daemons of Chaos would fuse back, it would not matter.

    http://warhammerfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Daemon_Prince
    That's mostly true but somehow N'Kari used to be a High Elf and became a Greater Daemon.
    Huh?
    He referring to old lore where Slaanesh was made by the Elves like 40k?
    "As a sandbox game everyone, without exception, should be able to play the game exactly as they see fit and that means providing the maximum scope possible." - ~UNiOnJaCk~
  • SoftisSoftis Registered Users Posts: 34
    All orcs look like grimgor xD
  • Metalhead69Metalhead69 Registered Users Posts: 249

    OdTengri said:

    Why are people so hellbent to give Valkia to the DoC? She's a WoC character. Khorne has enough daemonic champions of his own so there's no need to crib from other races.

    I'm not, I broke things down by category.

    There are three possible groupings that they could pull from to make lords for the Deamons of Chaos.

    - Daemons Princes
    - Daemons Heralds
    - Greater Daemons

    Valkia is simply the most iconic daemon prince of Khorne.

    Personally I hope they go with named charters that are Daemonic Heralds.

    My Ideal List would be

    Undevided - Be'lakor

    Khorne - Skulltaker
    Slaanesh - The Masque
    Nurgle - Epidemius
    Tzeentch -The Blue Scribes

    I'm utterly unamazed when someone gets their pants in a twist because someone else gives a rough approximation of what could happen.

    Its as if I said "It might snow this week" and your responding with "Why on earth would you want it to Snow"

    A lot of this all depends on what CA wants to do with Daemons of Chaos, something that I don't presume to know, but for the sake of argument CA sits you down and says.

    "Ok we have decided to make Daemon Princes our generic lord choice for DoC, what Named Characters that are Daemon Princes would you like to see? We need one for each Dark God."

    What ones would you choose and why @Ephraim_Dalton and @TheGuardianOfMetal
    I am pretty sure N'Kari is demon prince what exactly is the difference b/e Demon Princes and Greater Demons?
    Demon Princes are mortals ascending to Daemonhood their strong don't get me wrong but N'kari is the strongest Greater Daemon of Slaanesh a demon prince ain't got nothing on her/him other
  • mw51630mw51630 Member Registered Users Posts: 1,593

    mw51630 said:

    Tayvar said:

    What exactly is the difference b/e Daemon Princes and Greater Daemons?

    Daemon Princes are Former Mortals, while Greater Daemons was always Daemons. It was also used an justification to put the Daemon Princes in the Warriors of Chaos roster instead of the Daemons of Chaos roster, even though they are quite perfectly fitting for both. Also if the Warriors of Chaos and Daemons of Chaos would fuse back, it would not matter.

    http://warhammerfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Daemon_Prince
    That's mostly true but somehow N'Kari used to be a High Elf and became a Greater Daemon.
    Huh?
    He referring to old lore where Slaanesh was made by the Elves like 40k?
    Quoting a different (humorous) source;

    In Warhammer Fantasy, N'kari was a High Elf in the Cult of Pleasure who found a patron in Slaanesh (as Slaanesh is less inclined to eat Dandelion-eater souls as he is to make them into Daemonettes in Fantasy). N'kari usurped the position of Dechala as Slaanesh's favorite, and has corrupted many mortals since then, and is the one who commonly sends messages to Slaanesh's mortal champions.
    Thanks to the time >:) of the Warp, however, she managed to predate herself, and was a powerful Keeper of Secrets from primordial times that fought Aenarion the Defender a couple of times then got trapped in the fabric of a magical vortex created by Caledor the Dragontamer and friends to block Chaos from the World. She eventually got out, and to her props even Malekith was on edge about the whole thing. She proceeded to wreak unspeakable carnage in Ulthuan, hunted Anarion's descendants, and tried to destroy the Shrine of Asuryan, but that last one didn't work out too well.
  • TheOrganKingTheOrganKing Junior Member Registered Users Posts: 989
    Really it depends a lot how DoC are actually implemented.

    If they are 1 Faction, then I would expect just the 4 Named Greater Daemons.

    If they are 4 factions, then I would expect 1 named Greater Daemon and 1 named lesser daemon for each God

    If they are 4 factions, and are a mix between God Aligned DoC and God Aligned WoC, then I expect them to have 1 Greater Daemon and 1 Mortal Follower for each God.


    It's Important to Note that the Named Lesser Daemons are All Heroes in the DoC Army book, Not Lords. They technically don't lead the armies, though this hasn't stopped CA from making Heroes into Lords (Wulfrik, Throgg, Isabella) I feel like the actual lords probably have a higher Priority then the Heroes do of making it in as LL in TW:W.
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  • CormacSVKCormacSVK Junior Member Registered Users Posts: 69
    As for Nurgle, I would certainly appreciate the Glottkin, they have amazing model and look really cute. At least it could be one of the lords.
  • DaGangsterDaGangster Junior Member Registered Users Posts: 1,048
    Not to be pessimistic but I think the demons of chaos will be numerous factions but one race. I bet it'll have four LL's after dlc and flc one for each god maybe a 5th undivided LL.

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  • ZerglesZergles Member Registered Users Posts: 3,014
    I want a Khorne Daemon prince as a generic Lord so I can rename him "ASSRAM MANSLAUGHTER"
  • Ol_NessieOl_Nessie Registered Users Posts: 3,294
    Ludbone said:

    This amount of LL yells at 4 Chaos factions <3 </p>

    *Looks at all the Skaven LL options*
    This amount of LLs just screams 4 Skaven races!

    Not to be pessimistic but I think the demons of chaos will be numerous factions but one race. I bet it'll have four LL's after dlc and flc one for each god maybe a 5th undivided LL.

    How is that pessimistic? It just means we'd be getting 3 or more actual races at launch instead of 1 split race.
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