Spoiler's Abound: A question about Felicion's intentions regarding Morathi

hopefulveil#6902

Spoilers for a short story and Vortex Campaign below.


While rereading the short story introducing Felicion, Morathi and Teclis, I found that Morathi referenced a reason why Felicion Hearthkeeper attempted to assassinate the Hag Sorceress. Morathi stated something along the lines of " this is why I only had one child". We found out that,during the Vortex campaign, that her brother happened to be the khainite assassin, Shadowblade. Given Morathi's assertions about Felcions lies about the latter aiming to kill the former for power and this statement, it's probable that Felcion is aiming to kill Morathi for her brother. My question you you ladies and gents is if any of you found any more evidence, in game or externally, depicting more details as to her intentions as to why she attempted to kill Morathi?

Any speculation would also be helpful as I'm beginning to put together an AAR campaign story detailing Morathi's point of view during a campaign I'll be playing. (This is my first exposure to Warhammer Lore and so I'm primarily relying on in-game text, wikis,forum discussions and deductions to compose explanations for that story).
Did Helebron, or another send Shadowblade to kill Morathi and so Felicione ended up with a vision with Shadowblades death or injury(prompting her into action)? I haven't seen Helebrons epilogue to see if it was any different than Morathi's and Malikeths.

Thanks!
(The short story I've referenced can be found with the warhammer 2 wallpapers when we sign in.)

Wyvax#7456

Does a Druchii really need a reason to kill one of their own? Which among them wouldn't want to get rid of the smug Hag Queen? Even Malekith would off her if she stopped being useful to him.

Otters007#7127

Oh wow I did not know about this. But where are the warhammer 2 wallpapers? What do you need to click on?

But yeah Morathi is the second most powerful person in druchi society. Killing her would no doubt create a power vacuum many would wish to fill. However it would not surprise me if it was Hellebron who ordered the hit, but it really could be anyone.

hopefulveil#6902

This seems to be generally true.
But then why would Morathi reference siblings? It was intriguing for me for it was the first instance( apparent for me who is a neophyte in the lore), that this particular Druchi had a reason that at least Morathi was certain of. I'm merely wondering if we had any other evidence pointing to this or if it's merely there as a standalone statement,


Overall though, Druchi do seem to kill for power,entertainment, pleasure,slaves, information,loyalty and revenge. This was to my knowledge the first time someone in the game was potentially fighting strictly for family aside from Morathi herself. This to me is interesting as it may point towards some vestige of Elven culture before the Sundering.

edit: In Morathi's case it may very well just be an act but since it's been stated via text and audio of her drive to have Maliketh rule Ulthuan, I've generally taken that as true with a few caveats. (in Mortal empires, she seems to have purposefully moved her base from Ghrond to Quintex so that Maliketh wouldn't know what she's up to. I haven't been able to figure to what extent, in game would be follow power and glory as I haven't finished a ME campaign yet.)

Tempus_fugit#2711

Malekith has Felicion's soul captured (shown in the outro when he hands it to the assassin to potentially resurrect), so she works for him, although this does not preclude him ordering her to kill Morathi if she is weak and vulnerable. In Morathi's campaign she secures Malekith's victory, so no changes to the story for her campaign.

As a side note, her new tt model is amazing and expensive.

HisShadowBG#8316

Tempus_fugit said:

Malekith has Felicion's soul captured (shown in the outro when he hands it to the assassin to potentially resurrect), so she works for him, although this does not preclude him ordering her to kill Morathi if she is weak and vulnerable. In Morathi's campaign she secures Malekith's victory, so no changes to the story for her campaign.

As a side note, her new tt model is amazing and expensive.

If you read the pre - story novel thing you will find out Morathi captures Felicion's soul and than tells Mallekith instead of just killing her. After which she is not happy he uses her???CA nonsense

FakeEmperor

My speculation:

Malekith thinks that he is the supreme ruler of the Druchii, he is the former king and he can do what he pleases. He sees Morathi as a powerful tool useful to achieve his goals, just like a property.

Morathi on the other end sees herself as the real Queen of the druchii, she thinks that she can cheat and mislead Malekith to make him do what she pleases, a powerful weapon useful to achieve her personal goals, like a puppet.

Felicion is similar to morathi, she suggested Malekith the plan of the chalice, the vortex and sacrifices, make him follow her visions ( or maybe her will?), using him as tool to crack Ulthuan and the Vortex, for some not known reasons...

Obviously Morathi is not happy with that, cause losing control over Malekith means losing the druchii's leadership aswell, and she doesn't want that her son diverts from her own plan to follow Felicion's one; so, according with DE mindset, she probably plans to kill her as best option. Felicion, that she's not stupid, knows this, so she is probably waiting the opportunity to kill Morathi, because, being a DE, she considers the "i kill you before you kill me" option the best one.
But both of them can't do it openly, under the sun, because they are both considered by Malekith as his own properties, and depriving him of their respective opponent, without his consent, could mean facing the King's wrath. And nor Morathi nor Felicion can openly withstand Malkith's wrath.....

HisShadowBG#8316

FakeEmperor said:

My speculation:

Malekith thinks that he is the supreme ruler of the Druchii, he is the former king and he can do what he pleases. He sees Morathi as a powerful tool useful to achieve his goals, just like a property.

Morathi on the other end sees herself as the real Queen of the druchii, she thinks that she can cheat and mislead Malekith to make him do what she pleases, a powerful weapon useful to achieve her personal goals, like a puppet.

Felicion is similar to morathi, she suggested Malekith the plan of the chalice, the vortex and sacrifices, make him follow her visions ( or maybe her will?), using him as tool to crack Ulthuan and the Vortex, for some not known reasons...

Obviously Morathi is not happy with that, cause losing control over Malekith means losing the druchii's leadership aswell, and she doesn't want that her son diverts from her own plan to follow Felicion's one; so, according with DE mindset, she probably plans to kill her as best option. Felicion, that she's not stupid, knows this, so she is probably waiting the opportunity to kill Morathi, because, being a DE, she considers the "i kill you before you kill me" option the best one.
But both of them can't do it openly, under the sun, because they are both considered by Malekith as his own properties, and depriving him of their respective opponent, without his consent, could mean facing the King's wrath. And nor Morathi nor Felicion can openly withstand Malkith's wrath.....

The thing is Morathi had Felicion trapped before Malekith knew about her

FakeEmperor

HisShadowBG said:

FakeEmperor said:

My speculation:

Malekith thinks that he is the supreme ruler of the Druchii, he is the former king and he can do what he pleases. He sees Morathi as a powerful tool useful to achieve his goals, just like a property.

Morathi on the other end sees herself as the real Queen of the druchii, she thinks that she can cheat and mislead Malekith to make him do what she pleases, a powerful weapon useful to achieve her personal goals, like a puppet.

Felicion is similar to morathi, she suggested Malekith the plan of the chalice, the vortex and sacrifices, make him follow her visions ( or maybe her will?), using him as tool to crack Ulthuan and the Vortex, for some not known reasons...

Obviously Morathi is not happy with that, cause losing control over Malekith means losing the druchii's leadership aswell, and she doesn't want that her son diverts from her own plan to follow Felicion's one; so, according with DE mindset, she probably plans to kill her as best option. Felicion, that she's not stupid, knows this, so she is probably waiting the opportunity to kill Morathi, because, being a DE, she considers the "i kill you before you kill me" option the best one.
But both of them can't do it openly, under the sun, because they are both considered by Malekith as his own properties, and depriving him of their respective opponent, without his consent, could mean facing the King's wrath. And nor Morathi nor Felicion can openly withstand Malkith's wrath.....

The thing is Morathi had Felicion trapped before Malekith knew about her

i don't think so... In the intro , the first quote of Felicion is: "You summoned me, your higness" speaking with Malekhit...
and then Morathi says : "you bring this witch, here..." and after Malekith says : "she is indebted to me, i have her soul.."

HisShadowBG#8316

FakeEmperor said:

HisShadowBG said:

FakeEmperor said:

My speculation:

Malekith thinks that he is the supreme ruler of the Druchii, he is the former king and he can do what he pleases. He sees Morathi as a powerful tool useful to achieve his goals, just like a property.

Morathi on the other end sees herself as the real Queen of the druchii, she thinks that she can cheat and mislead Malekith to make him do what she pleases, a powerful weapon useful to achieve her personal goals, like a puppet.

Felicion is similar to morathi, she suggested Malekith the plan of the chalice, the vortex and sacrifices, make him follow her visions ( or maybe her will?), using him as tool to crack Ulthuan and the Vortex, for some not known reasons...

Obviously Morathi is not happy with that, cause losing control over Malekith means losing the druchii's leadership aswell, and she doesn't want that her son diverts from her own plan to follow Felicion's one; so, according with DE mindset, she probably plans to kill her as best option. Felicion, that she's not stupid, knows this, so she is probably waiting the opportunity to kill Morathi, because, being a DE, she considers the "i kill you before you kill me" option the best one.
But both of them can't do it openly, under the sun, because they are both considered by Malekith as his own properties, and depriving him of their respective opponent, without his consent, could mean facing the King's wrath. And nor Morathi nor Felicion can openly withstand Malkith's wrath.....

The thing is Morathi had Felicion trapped before Malekith knew about her

i don't think so... In the intro , the first quote of Felicion is: "You summoned me, your higness" speaking with Malekhit...
and then Morathi says : "you bring this witch, here..." and after Malekith says : "she is indebted to me, i have her soul.."

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FakeEmperor

"The thing is Morathi had Felicion trapped before Malekith knew about her" it's not totally accurate... Morathy explicitly says that Malekith have interest in Felicion's ability, means that Malekith already knew her... and she probably have already offered her soul to him as a warranty for her plan/ visions... In fact Morathi says that she will offer Felicion's soul to Mal,to gain back his favour, but she probably don't know that Mal already have it. In fact in the opening scene Morathi seems surprised that Mal have summoned Felix, she doesn't want her around, telling his son that she will betray him... But he has an hidden card to play, Felicion's soul...

From what i can speculate out of the novel: Felix seems to hate Morathi because she has charmed her brother, made a traitor out of him, and now she seeks the death of both Morathi and Shadowblade; she named him in the last ritual, maybe with broken heart, we can assume. But "he was not the victim, he never was" means probably that Morathi had already planned all, and Shadowblade killed his own sister obeying a Morathi's order.. Plus it says someting like " their betrayal amused one who was watching from afar.." It is referred to Horned Rat but could be true for Morathi aswell..

Back to the novel, seems that Felix was armed by the Coven to kill Morathi, she is probably the best accolite and she hate Morathi cause of her brother, she's the best assassin. In fact Felix said that the Coven "dislike" Morathi; she doesn't explain why, but it is safe to assume that it is because Morathi is an heretic... In fact Morathi said that not everybody serve Hekarthi, but she serves another god, and she alwais have served him. And i'm sure that she is referring to Slaanesh (hence the sapphic kiss, the chaos corruption etc)

hopefulveil#6902

Indeed, Morathi does say that not everyone is bound by the rules of Hekarti and that she has "always worshiped another god". She either worships many Gods and thus attains blessings but without being loyal to most of them, or she's done a pretty good job posing as a practitioner of Hekarti. I don't doubt her relation to Slannesh being one that she's most associated with, but at least in the game she seems to at least pay homage to Hekarti, Khaine and Akarti as well( the last one in the text in the blessing of Hekarti).

Felicione's master, herself and her brother all were at Har Ganeth. It's only recently, as per Helebrons intro,that her brother left. We know that he left for Felicione's ritual. I'm not sure what relationship he'd have with Morathi. At the end of a campaign, Maliketh seems to imply that even Shadowblade would need to weary of Morathi's machinations rather than Maliketh's. Shadowblade and Morathi probably did have other dealings but of what precisely hasn't been stated as far as I know. ( I like the possiblity that Morathi was being the one referenced when Shadowblade kills Felcione. It's the ambiguity that's killing me.)

One would think that he wouldn't be used in a mission of import, if possible, if he had been a traitor.
As for Morathi's surprise, it's seems clear that both parties intended to present each other's trapped soul to Maliketh. The trap set by Felcione was a "soul severing" one. It seems to part one's soul from their bodies(which is interesting as death would be regarded as just one's body giving way rather than implying a soul leaving the body along with a body becoming a husk.) Felicione probably revealed the ritual she had in mind to control the Vortex to Maliketh before the assassination.(I say before because Morathi stated something along the lines of "don't get too comfortable" implying that Felicione's body was trapped as well. )

Morathi nearly outright states the reason apparently is due to Felcione's brother. I wonder if him merely being enthralled was enough or if Felicione and her master had other agenda...

I do like the notion that both Felicione and Morathi were aiming to outwit each other for Maliketh's ear. If Felcione was in fact sent by Maliketh, the only line of evidence is saw was inthe short story where she says something along the lines of : "I'll parcel your soul to your son". Parcel is interesting, rather than a synonym for present.

FakeEmperor

Mmmmm.... i had misread.... Errata corrige:
Felix doesn't think that Shadowblade is a traitor, because they are both traitors indeed: Morathi said to her something like : " You and your mentor left the Dark Covenant long ago. Do you think that hiding in Har Ganeth conceal your actions?". So Felix and Shady has left this "Dark Covenant" and than they needed to hide, so it is safe to assume that they were traitors, or thieves, or such.
In the moment that Morathi was about to mention Felix's brother, she didn't let her end the statement, nor even the word brother, meaning that Felix do not want to let others know that she is shadowblade's sister. Even Hellebron seems to not know that they are brothers; she said only that there is a relation between Shady disappearence and the new character appearence,Felix, not that there is a relation between the two. In lore, even Hellebron do not know Shady's real identity nor his real look (nobody knows his identity), because she never saw him without the mask, and Hellebron is the only master of Shadowblade ( while other assassins can have multiple master, everyone who pay the toll).
So now seems to me that Felicion tried to kill Morathi because she is the only one who knows Shadowblade's identity, and she wants to protect him ( Morathi said this clearly). Morathi knows Shadowblade because they work together/ he works for her.
Now what makes me doubtful is why Felix decided to go full chalice; if she wants to protect his brother, why she would sacrifice him for the chalice? Why she indebted herself with Malekith?

hopefulveil#6902

FakeEmperor said:

Now what makes me doubtful is why Felix decided to go full chalice; if she wants to protect his brother, why she would sacrifice him for the chalice? Why she indebted herself with Malekith?

That right there is why I started my query. She seemingly went through relatively great lengths to assassinate Morathi, for her brothers sake and yet Felicion considered sacrificing him for the chalice. Perhaps, Maliketh's word is enough to convince her that her souls freedom would be sufficient. Shadowblade seemed to want his sister's soul,even though her body was murdered. Since we know elves have objects to seal their souls in, and that those souls can be made manifest, perhaps Dark Elves have a way to resurrect others under certain conditions. Revenants such as Alith Anar and the Dawi ancestors are proof that one, in this world can come back.

Still, why then go through such lengths with the ritual if the results would be similar?