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Empire Divided Roman Uniform issues thread:

slapnut1207slapnut1207 Registered Users Posts: 678
edited August 2018 in Ancestral Update Support
This thread is focusing on Roman units that need their uniforms changed. Since some are not historically accurate and some are too uniform. There needs to be more diversity in regard to clothing.

Roman soldiers should be wearing a variety of footwear besides shoes and boots, so basically I am asking that some Roman Legionaries should be shown wearing Caligae.

Tunics need to be more decorated and I suppose, colorful?
A depiction of 4th century Limitanei Legionaries watching and guarding the frontier:

It would be good if some legionaries would be shown not wearing pants, some still didn't in the late 3rd and early 4th century probably.
We need more variation in Ridge helmets:
Burgh Castle:

Intercisa II:


Roman units that need to be changed:
The unit Roman Legionaries have too much chainmail coifs, I suggest some of those chainmail coifs should be replaced with Italic Helmets.

Gallic Lanciarii:

The Roman Levies have armor that unhistorically accurate, replace those with chainmail and leave some with just tunics.
Light Roman skirmishers:

These skirmishers all have Spangenhelms, some should be given Italic helmets, Ridge and Niederbieber.
Roman Levies:

The Roman Levies have armor that unhistorically accurate, replace those with chainmail and leave some with just tunics.
Palmyrene Skrimishers:

Some of these skirmishers should be given Roman helmets.
Peltasts:

Some of these skirmishers should be given Roman helmets.

This isn't related to Roman Legionaries but could the Caledonians have all of their helmets removed? Since their helmets appear to be either Germanic or Asian in origin. The only helmets these people should have are stolen/looted Roman helmets. Also you could give some of the Germanic barbarians, stolen/looted Roman helmets.


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  • Whiskeyjack_5691Whiskeyjack_5691 Registered Users Posts: 4,157
    Really?

    Listen man, I'm all for advocating for historical authenticity, but honestly, this is just nitpicking.

    These are minor graphical details. I doubt anyone would even care or take notice if they were changed.

    No offence man, but this is where we get memes like "Muh historical accuracy!" from.
  • slapnut1207slapnut1207 Registered Users Posts: 678
    edited August 2018

    Really?

    Listen man, I'm all for advocating for historical authenticity, but honestly, this is just nitpicking.

    These are minor graphical details. I doubt anyone would even care or take notice if they were changed.

    No offence man, but this is where we get memes like "Muh historical accuracy!" from.

    Yeah but I like seeing historically accurate Roman legionaries. They didn't look like this in real life. Also everyone is technically nitpicking on various issues. Also this isn't small issue since it affects all of the three Roman factions of Empire Divided. This game is called Rome II and everything about Rome shall be historically accurate as possible. there other unhistorical issues with Empire Divided but I am focusing on Roman uniforms since I and many others (mainly fans of the Roman Army that like researching about Roman equipment and clothing) will criticize when we see unhistorical Roman uniforms.

    I don't want people being misled into thinking that this is what a 3rd century Roman Legionary would look like.
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  • Whiskeyjack_5691Whiskeyjack_5691 Registered Users Posts: 4,157
    I will not get into yet another discussion about historical accuracy in the Total War games.

    Good day, sir.
  • slapnut1207slapnut1207 Registered Users Posts: 678
    edited August 2018
    um..... okay?

    Anyway, I have another issue I have just remembered.

    The issue focuses on the third century Roman Shields featured in Empire Divided.

    Some of the Empire Divided Roman Shields are semi circular. Those ones should be rectangular, not semi circular.
    The shields wrongly depicted to be semi circular. They were in fact rectangular.

    This shield is presumably a replica of a Roman scutum found in Dura Europos and it's made in it's correct rectangular shape.

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  • slapnut1207slapnut1207 Registered Users Posts: 678
    edited August 2018
    Another issue I just remembered:
    Greaves, some Roman Legionaries and officers wore greaves in the late third century. In the game, no Roman Legionary appears to be wearing greaves.


    Focale, more Roman Legionaries should be shown wearing Focale. I only seen about one unit in all of Rome's roster having some legionaries wearing focale.





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  • slapnut1207slapnut1207 Registered Users Posts: 678
    edited August 2018
    Here are three units that need their uniforms changed:

    Herculianii

    These legionaries shouldn’t be wearing lorica segmentata and lorica hamata at the same time.
    Jovianii

    These legionaries shouldn’t be wearing lorica segmentata and lorica hamata at the same time.
    Evocati Cohort

    These legionaries shouldn’t be wearing lorica segmentata and lorica hamata at the same time.

    Also most Roman officers should be using Niederbieber, Heddernheim or Italic helmets, only a very few if any should be using Roman ridge helmets.
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  • slapnut1207slapnut1207 Registered Users Posts: 678
    edited August 2018
    Deurne and Berkasovo helmets could be used to replace some of the ridge helmets the centurions use:


    Scale armor could be given to the 4th century unit, Equites Taifali:
    Reenactors of the Comitatus Group representing Equties Taifali.







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  • BuhyrBuhyr Senior Member Registered Users Posts: 188
    Are you serious? They don’t even change UI for a Rome one , are they going to change all these units? Don’t think so
  • slapnut1207slapnut1207 Registered Users Posts: 678
    edited August 2018
    buhyr said:

    Are you serious? They don’t even change UI for a Rome one , are they going to change all these units? Don’t think so

    I still have hope and I am serious. I want them to make their depiction of 3rd and 4th century Roman units to be historically accurate as possible. I would think so since they could update the graphics and add a family tree. They have the existing assets in place to do it. They have these assets in Rome II and Attila. They could borrow the Intercisa II helmets I suppose from Attila instead of making new ones.
    In Hoc Signo Vinces

  • slapnut1207slapnut1207 Registered Users Posts: 678
    edited August 2018
    Some images and art of third century Roman Legionaries and Cavalry:



    A piece of art by Amelianus depicting the Siege of Dura Europos, AD 256:






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  • slapnut1207slapnut1207 Registered Users Posts: 678
    edited August 2018
    Can you please check if the shield emblems of the Herculiani and the Joviani are historically accurate? Just want to make sure their shield emblems are correct in terms of color and pattern. But mostly likely color.
    In Hoc Signo Vinces

  • slapnut1207slapnut1207 Registered Users Posts: 678
    edited August 2018
    Fixed a mistake on the section focusing on Evocati Cohorts.

    In ambushes, could legionaries have their marching pack on? Currently, it appears they aren’t marching with their gear in ambush battles.

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