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Just an Idea : Allow friendly fire on meatshield units.

DarkLordDDarkLordD Registered Users Posts: 2,579
Hello fellow friends !

A very simple question that speaks for it self, ; allow friendly fire on meat shield units.

To me, a great idea !

Imagine the possibilities, and it would advocate to make meat shield units way more interesting to pick. Imagine you can rain your warp fire thrower on the enemy units, while your meat shield unit pins them down ! That would make for some real devious Skaven gameplay ;) !


Lets discuss ; Why yes, and why not !

Thanks in advance !
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  • DancarlottaDancarlotta Junior Member Registered Users Posts: 191
    100% yes
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  • DarkLordDDarkLordD Registered Users Posts: 2,579

    100% yes

    Thanks for the support ! love it :) !
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  • kitekazekitekaze Registered Users Posts: 318
    You can hold alt and click on position to perform attack ground, which ignore friendly fire.
  • DarkLordDDarkLordD Registered Users Posts: 2,579
    Nazred said:

    I thought all the total war games have friendly fire?

    Not that I am aware of atleast !
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  • DarkLordDDarkLordD Registered Users Posts: 2,579
    edited August 2018
    kitekaze said:

    You can hold alt and click on position to perform attack ground, which ignore friendly fire.

    I am trying it out right away ! Thanks !

    edit :

    it only fires on 1 spot if I am correct, not super perfect in my eyes, I just want a friendly fire possibility that follows like a normal fire !

    but great suggestion ! I will use it ! thanks for the info ;)


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  • CrossilCrossil Registered Users Posts: 14,889
    I would prefer a trait for ranged units that makes them ignore friendly fire. Skaven for instance shouldn't give a **** either way.
    Furthermore, I consider that Daemon Prince must be removed.
  • DarkLordDDarkLordD Registered Users Posts: 2,579
    Crossil said:

    I would prefer a trait for ranged units that makes them ignore friendly fire. Skaven for instance shouldn't give a **** either way.

    They really shouldn't no ! It would only add to there lovely flavor !
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  • blaatblaat Junior Member Registered Users Posts: 3,155
    edited August 2018
    agree with crossil here and you my friend

    it would be good for flavor right now the skaven are missing one of their key aspects

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  • Vanilla_GorillaVanilla_Gorilla Registered Users Posts: 35,654
    It's a neat idea in theory. In practice the only time you can't friendly fire is when you'd purely be hitting your own troops. When would you want to do that?
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  • Grom_the_PaunchGrom_the_Paunch Registered Users, Moderators, Knights Posts: 2,701

    It's a neat idea in theory. In practice the only time you can't friendly fire is when you'd purely be hitting your own troops. When would you want to do that?

    When would you not want to do that? *preens whiskers and rubs paws together*
  • UagrimUagrim Registered Users Posts: 1,994
    Cause you would be wasting ammo?

    As soon as more shoot hit your guys then the enemies, you are wasting ammo and units.
  • DarkLordDDarkLordD Registered Users Posts: 2,579

    It's a neat idea in theory. In practice the only time you can't friendly fire is when you'd purely be hitting your own troops. When would you want to do that?

    When would you not want to do that? *preens whiskers and rubs paws together*
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  • Vanilla_GorillaVanilla_Gorilla Registered Users Posts: 35,654
    edited August 2018

    It's a neat idea in theory. In practice the only time you can't friendly fire is when you'd purely be hitting your own troops. When would you want to do that?

    When would you not want to do that? *preens whiskers and rubs paws together*
    I don't want to do that all the time, every time!
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  • Commissar_GCommissar_G Senior Member Registered Users Posts: 15,453

    It's a neat idea in theory. In practice the only time you can't friendly fire is when you'd purely be hitting your own troops. When would you want to do that?

    When would you not want to do that? *preens whiskers and rubs paws together*
    I don't want to do that all the time, every time!
    Because warpfire throwers would and should absolutely massacre a slave unit to hit the saurus on the other side. Which they currently cannot do.
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  • Vanilla_GorillaVanilla_Gorilla Registered Users Posts: 35,654
    edited August 2018

    It's a neat idea in theory. In practice the only time you can't friendly fire is when you'd purely be hitting your own troops. When would you want to do that?

    When would you not want to do that? *preens whiskers and rubs paws together*
    I don't want to do that all the time, every time!
    Because warpfire throwers would and should absolutely massacre a slave unit to hit the saurus on the other side. Which they currently cannot do.
    They can't do it because if they did they'd just hit the slaves, the Slaves would run then the Saurus would kill the Warpfire Throwers. The shot would just be wasted killing a unit of slaves.

    What the Warpfire Throwers can do is fire on the Saurus and also hit the slaves. That's well possible. The only thing they don't allow is firing at your own troops when no enemy will be hurt.
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  • DarkLordDDarkLordD Registered Users Posts: 2,579

    It's a neat idea in theory. In practice the only time you can't friendly fire is when you'd purely be hitting your own troops. When would you want to do that?

    When would you not want to do that? *preens whiskers and rubs paws together*
    I don't want to do that all the time, every time!
    Because warpfire throwers would and should absolutely massacre a slave unit to hit the saurus on the other side. Which they currently cannot do.
    Exactly ! I thank you ! That is exactly what I mean, amen brother !
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  • DarkLordDDarkLordD Registered Users Posts: 2,579
    edited August 2018

    It's a neat idea in theory. In practice the only time you can't friendly fire is when you'd purely be hitting your own troops. When would you want to do that?

    When would you not want to do that? *preens whiskers and rubs paws together*
    I don't want to do that all the time, every time!
    Because warpfire throwers would and should absolutely massacre a slave unit to hit the saurus on the other side. Which they currently cannot do.
    They can't do it because if they did they'd just hit the slaves, the Slaves would run then the Saurus would kill the Warpfire Throwers. The shot would just be wasted killing a unit of slaves.

    What the Warpfire Throwers can do is fire on the Saurus and also hit the slaves. That's well possible. The only thing they don't allow is firing at your own troops when no enemy will be hurt.
    Well, thats not entirely true. Its about pinning in the Saurus to stand down for a bit, and let the fire thrower warm up there engine, and making ready to fire. When the slaves are in front of it, they will die, but so wil Saurus ! Units also mingle sometimes, so everything in between also gets melted.

    Beside, you can also place units in the rear, and fire from there. so only a few slaves on the side will die, but mostly the enemy.

    So yes, it would be VERY preferable to have in game !


    and if you refer to the alt option, that only attacks on specific location, it doesn't really follow the unit when it moves. Thats not a flesh out friendly fire mode I am looking for ;) !
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  • HarkovastHarkovast Registered Users Posts: 2,674
    But I can already fire into combat, hitting my own guys and the enemy.
    I don't get the advantage of this over just targetting the enemy.

    Also there would be a danger of misclicking and making my units start shooting each other.

    I fire into combats when my soldiers are fighting all the time, why do I need to target my own guys MORE?
    I mean they are worthless scum, no doubt abotu that, but I might as well at least let the enemy waste killing them and no waste my ammo.

    It's like the guy said in brave heart "Arrows cost money, the dead cost nothing."
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  • FrostPawFrostPaw Junior Member Registered Users Posts: 1,216
    Friendly fire still exists, try running down a fleeing enemy and shooting at them with range, the pursuer gets the "under missile fire" arrow indicator. It's only prevented when you just can't shoot at a unit due to angle. If you circle/flank you can continue firing.

    The rate of fire, damage dealt and accuracy is now part of a racial trait. Eg elves tend to do better by default, dwarfs too. It's no longer a player strategy, now you're either good at hitting the target or you're blocked. If they allowed more lethal friendly fire, they would then have to rebalance ALL factions that can take advantage of it or be taken advantage of. It isn't as simple as it sounds to just flip a switch.
  • SchusselSchussel Registered Users Posts: 886
    Ignoring own units and maybe causing Friendly Fire is necessary in TT because its round based and you can't move and shoot the WFT in the same turn. And in TT the WFT is much stronger (AP-2, S5 , D3W) it can kill a General or a Troll or half of an average sized Ork/Dwarf unit with one shot.


    But in TW the WFT is much weaker and a unit blocking your line of sight is no problem because you can move around it and still shot at the attacking enemy with your WFT Team.





  • NyxilisNyxilis Registered Users Posts: 6,755
    Table top I used to deliberately do that all the time with artillery and spells...

    Now on Total War everytime I do a siege my warpfire cannon seems to be doing the same thing anyways. Always fires right through the gate after it goes down and blasts through my rats and has caused my me having issues. But I would like more of this option.

    But really I would like the ability to bring some throw away units on top of the 20. Packs of skavenslaves with every army I say!
  • Grom_the_PaunchGrom_the_Paunch Registered Users, Moderators, Knights Posts: 2,701
    Harkovast said:

    But I can already fire into combat, hitting my own guys and the enemy.
    I don't get the advantage of this over just targetting the enemy.

    Also there would be a danger of misclicking and making my units start shooting each other.

    I fire into combats when my soldiers are fighting all the time, why do I need to target my own guys MORE?
    I mean they are worthless scum, no doubt abotu that, but I might as well at least let the enemy waste killing them and no waste my ammo.

    It's like the guy said in brave heart "Arrows cost money, the dead cost nothing."

    You are right. Mis-clicking would be bad. Maybe there could be a special button? Nah, people will still mess that up. :(

    The principle of firing even with your own troops obscuring line of sight though... There is value in that.

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  • Some_ScribeSome_Scribe Registered Users Posts: 1,382
    Harkovast said:


    It's like the guy said in brave heart "Arrows cost money, the dead cost nothing."

    ...he said as he had his bowmen fire cheap arrows into the backs of troops that cost a lot of money to equip, train, and maintain, and who took a lot longer to replace than arrows.

    Also, if those men were wearing armor that then got ruined by arrows, then he wasted even more money.

    But I can forgive it because it's a great line, and Edward Longshanks in that movie is so enjoyable evil that I can't even rage at how inaccurate his portrayal is. (As for the rest of the film's inaccuracies...)

    Anyway, while I do wish Warpfire Throwers would happily shoot through my own troops to kill the enemy if ordered, I don't think being able to target my own troops would be a good idea. The rage that a misclick would bring on wouldn't be worth it to me.
  • neverendingneverending Senior Member Registered Users Posts: 2,922
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  • DarkLordDDarkLordD Registered Users Posts: 2,579
    edited August 2018

    Harkovast said:


    Anyway, while I do wish Warpfire Throwers would happily shoot through my own troops to kill the enemy if ordered, I don't think being able to target my own troops would be a good idea. The rage that a misclick would bring on wouldn't be worth it to me.


    thats why it should be a well fleshed out option :) a mode you can flip on or off for units, like fire at will etc. something like that :)
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  • ZerglesZergles Member Registered Users Posts: 3,014
    Friendly fires is a thing. You just can't directly target your own units. If you could...I don't see the point. You would hit less of the enemy.
  • Vanilla_GorillaVanilla_Gorilla Registered Users Posts: 35,654
    edited August 2018
    DarkLordD said:

    It's a neat idea in theory. In practice the only time you can't friendly fire is when you'd purely be hitting your own troops. When would you want to do that?

    When would you not want to do that? *preens whiskers and rubs paws together*
    I don't want to do that all the time, every time!
    Because warpfire throwers would and should absolutely massacre a slave unit to hit the saurus on the other side. Which they currently cannot do.
    They can't do it because if they did they'd just hit the slaves, the Slaves would run then the Saurus would kill the Warpfire Throwers. The shot would just be wasted killing a unit of slaves.

    What the Warpfire Throwers can do is fire on the Saurus and also hit the slaves. That's well possible. The only thing they don't allow is firing at your own troops when no enemy will be hurt.
    Well, thats not entirely true. Its about pinning in the Saurus to stand down for a bit, and let the fire thrower warm up there engine, and making ready to fire. When the slaves are in front of it, they will die, but so wil Saurus ! Units also mingle sometimes, so everything in between also gets melted.

    Beside, you can also place units in the rear, and fire from there. so only a few slaves on the side will die, but mostly the enemy.

    So yes, it would be VERY preferable to have in game !


    and if you refer to the alt option, that only attacks on specific location, it doesn't really follow the unit when it moves. Thats not a flesh out friendly fire mode I am looking for ;) !
    Again, that's simply not how it works.

    As I've said even if you're partially hitting your own troops you're currently, right now allowed to fire. The only thing you can't do is fire directly on your own troops.
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  • steam_164511556922ZvK49s6steam_164511556922ZvK49s6 Senior Member Registered Users Posts: 2,250
    there is a mod for it. just get that, modders have made the game so much better than vanilla I can't even touch vanilla
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  • jamreal18jamreal18 Senior Member Registered Users Posts: 13,051
    It should be.

    How can you hit a unit behind your unit in front in the first place?
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