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Just an Idea : Allow friendly fire on meatshield units.

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  • Vanilla_GorillaVanilla_Gorilla Registered Users Posts: 32,357
    edited August 2018
    jamreal18 said:

    It should be.

    How can you hit a unit behind your unit in front in the first place?

    You can't.

    It's what I don't get about this whole idea. There's no situation where it's useful. Even on the TT you could only do it as Skaven on slaves and then it was 50/50, so it's got no basis in the TT either.
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  • DarkLordDDarkLordD Registered Users Posts: 2,575

    jamreal18 said:

    It should be.

    How can you hit a unit behind your unit in front in the first place?

    You can't.

    It's what I don't get about this whole idea. There's no situation where it's useful. Even on the TT you could only do it as Skaven on slaves and then it was 50/50, so it's got no basis in the TT either.
    But there is, again, you pin down units, and it takes a while for all your units to die

    If they can only pin them for 20 seconds, you have 20 seconds of raining doom on them, so yes, there are situations where it is useful. You are wrong.
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  • jamreal18jamreal18 Senior Member Registered Users Posts: 12,930
    If they pin down enemy, of course they are sacrificing themselves also.
  • Commissar_GCommissar_G Senior Member Registered Users Posts: 15,025

    jamreal18 said:

    It should be.

    How can you hit a unit behind your unit in front in the first place?

    You can't.

    It's what I don't get about this whole idea. There's no situation where it's useful. Even on the TT you could only do it as Skaven on slaves and then it was 50/50, so it's got no basis in the TT either.
    You just gave the example of the basis and then said there is no basis.

    The OP even references Skaven in his first post.
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  • DarkLordDDarkLordD Registered Users Posts: 2,575
    jamreal18 said:

    If they pin down enemy, of course they are sacrificing themselves also.

    Yes, so ? thats what this is all about? what are you trying to say ?

    Thats the whole thing, they are meatshield units, so no one cares about them. They could be super useful if you can have a full fleshed out friendly fire option, where you kill own units, but also enemy.

    If only there job is to pin them down for just a few sec, that its worth it. Weapons like warp fire thrower are really strong against infantry, just a few shots can decimate low tier units. I gladly kill my own units for it, if there only job is to pin them down. They are only meatshield units after all
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  • daelin4daelin4 Senior Member Registered Users Posts: 16,513
    edited August 2018
    I believe OP mean "force fire", or order a unit to fire despite friendlies in the vicinity.

    Which I believe already exists in the game? Hell sometimes the unit just fires poorly and spear your own men without any specific instructions. (manual fire excluded!)

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  • Vanilla_GorillaVanilla_Gorilla Registered Users Posts: 32,357
    edited August 2018
    DarkLordD said:

    jamreal18 said:

    It should be.

    How can you hit a unit behind your unit in front in the first place?

    You can't.

    It's what I don't get about this whole idea. There's no situation where it's useful. Even on the TT you could only do it as Skaven on slaves and then it was 50/50, so it's got no basis in the TT either.
    But there is, again, you pin down units, and it takes a while for all your units to die

    If they can only pin them for 20 seconds, you have 20 seconds of raining doom on them, so yes, there are situations where it is useful. You are wrong.
    That's not how the game works.

    Right now if you're hitting the enemy you can fire on them. So your scenario would be allowed right now. The only time you can't friendly fire is when you'd purely be hitting your own troops. When would you want to do that? You wouldn't.

    I can't make it any clearer. The only time the game stops you firing is when you'd hit only your own troops. The game is perfectly happy with you damaging your own troops, as long as they aren't the only thing being hit.

    Load up the game and see for yourself. I'm perplexed at how you don't know you're allowed to hit your own units as long as you're hitting enemy units.

    @Commissar_G This applies to you too.

    The key word in what I said was "only" as in "not the enemy". TWW as is currently allows far more friendly fire than was ever allowed in the TT.
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  • ShiroAmakusa75ShiroAmakusa75 Senior Member Registered Users Posts: 34,001
    Wouldn't change a thing. Warpfirethrowers don't pierce units, if you blast an engaged unit of Skavenslaves from behind you only hit the Skavenslaves and practically remove your own meatshield. From the flanks you can already hose down engaged enemy units freely. There's pointless evil and then there's just pointless.

    Skaven artillery, Globadiers and Bombardiers already don't give a damn about hitting your own units.
  • Vanilla_GorillaVanilla_Gorilla Registered Users Posts: 32,357

    Wouldn't change a thing. Warpfirethrowers don't pierce units, if you blast an engaged unit of Skavenslaves from behind you only hit the Skavenslaves and practically remove your own meatshield. From the flanks you can already hose down engaged enemy units freely. There's pointless evil and then there's just pointless.

    Skaven artillery, Globadiers and Bombardiers already don't give a damn about hitting your own units.

    We agree on this.

    We must be super right.
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  • DancarlottaDancarlotta Junior Member Registered Users Posts: 191

    jamreal18 said:

    It should be.

    How can you hit a unit behind your unit in front in the first place?

    You can't.

    It's what I don't get about this whole idea. There's no situation where it's useful. Even on the TT you could only do it as Skaven on slaves and then it was 50/50, so it's got no basis in the TT either.
    Also a 50/50 trade off where you are hitting your units (slaves - both in TT and the game costing nothing) and hitting Chaos warriors/saurus/Swordmasters etc (both in TT and the game costing a fortune) is absolutely worth doing. You just need to turn on your skaven brain.
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  • Vanilla_GorillaVanilla_Gorilla Registered Users Posts: 32,357
    @Darcarlotta

    Right now if you're hitting the enemy you can fire on them. So your scenario would be allowed right now. The only time you can't friendly fire is when you'd purely be hitting your own troops. When would you want to do that? You wouldn't.
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  • davedave1124davedave1124 Senior Member Registered Users Posts: 17,546
    It works for my when using Warp Fire Throwers..
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