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  • Beast_of_Guanyin#8747Beast_of_Guanyin#8747 Registered Users Posts: 44,651

    Greenskins were where my money was at before this. Grimgor obviously needs a rework. The faction is deeply flawed in SP late game. Waaagh! AI armies are as useful as a chocolate fire-guard. Plus they did dwarfs (their chief rivals) last time.

    Empire definitely needs work, but I don't see them being next. Gotta have "good/evil" balance, you know?

    I would love to see Beastmen get some love and the moon comment made me think of them straight away. It is a race owned by fewer people though, I guess. I think Ghorgon is coming, one day. Maybe not this time, but it's coming.

    I tend to agree. Orcs just lack the tools to compete stack for stack late game.

    BM definitely deserve an update eventually.
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  • jherr46jherr46 Registered Users Posts: 112
    All of them could use some love. Imo the green skins need it the most though.
  • Ares354#1090Ares354#1090 Registered Users Posts: 4,301
    GS have 2 lords that starts in different location. Plus they have 1 LL more then Empire, as core faction.

    Do they need rework, ofc ? Before Empire, yes if this rework is smaller then Empire one. Because if Empire will get Dawi or Bretonia rework, CA will **** off many people.

    I wonder about one thing; why CA didint add so many heros, mounts, units to most races if they dont use them as DLC or FLC. This make no sense.

    BM with no Doombull and Wargor, units, GS with no mounts for Goblin shamas, Black Orc hero and units, Empire same thing. Like why not add them to race from start if they dont plan to add them at all, at this point. Make no sense.
  • DarkLordDDarkLordD Registered Users Posts: 2,579
    Yekdo21 said:

    DarkLordD said:

    Remember they said it would be a faction we don't neccesary expect.

    So that proaplly means no empire for example.

    I really wonder too .... I would not be surprised if it's vc that will get the overhaul.

    VC, BM or GS updates would be better i think. Empire is still a good faction and competitive in my opinion.
    Kind of , they can all use an upgrade. Vc is also way better off then most.

    Gs and bm deserve it most. For sure.
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  • DarkLordDDarkLordD Registered Users Posts: 2,579
    4uk4ata said:

    Breeeetttttonnnnniiaaaaa

    Didn't they get one very recently? I thought Bretonnia was done.
    Well if you can call it that :( they got a very very poor overhaul. A few techs they always where robbed away from, not even some mechanic change or something.
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  • jherr46jherr46 Registered Users Posts: 112
    Ares354 said:

    GS have 2 lords that starts in different location. Plus they have 1 LL more then Empire, as core faction.

    Do they need rework, ofc ? Before Empire, yes if this rework is smaller then Empire one. Because if Empire will get Dawi or Bretonia rework, CA will **** off many people.

    I wonder about one thing; why CA didint add so many heros, mounts, units to most races if they dont use them as DLC or FLC. This make no sense.

    BM with no Doombull and Wargor, units, GS with no mounts for Goblin shamas, Black Orc hero and units, Empire same thing. Like why not add them to race from start if they dont plan to add them at all, at this point. Make no sense.

    I meant the GS needed the most attention with their unit roster. When it comes to LL all of them could use some more.
  • Helhound#7332Helhound#7332 Registered Users Posts: 5,568
    Its a combined Beastmen/Welf update.
  • Ares354#1090Ares354#1090 Registered Users Posts: 4,301
    jherr46 said:

    Ares354 said:

    GS have 2 lords that starts in different location. Plus they have 1 LL more then Empire, as core faction.

    Do they need rework, ofc ? Before Empire, yes if this rework is smaller then Empire one. Because if Empire will get Dawi or Bretonia rework, CA will **** off many people.

    I wonder about one thing; why CA didint add so many heros, mounts, units to most races if they dont use them as DLC or FLC. This make no sense.

    BM with no Doombull and Wargor, units, GS with no mounts for Goblin shamas, Black Orc hero and units, Empire same thing. Like why not add them to race from start if they dont plan to add them at all, at this point. Make no sense.

    I meant the GS needed the most attention with their unit roster. When it comes to LL all of them could use some more.
    Really ? GS have most iconic units.

    From Mount option GS lack Big Spider and Big Squig
    Heroes; Savage and Black orc bosses
    Units- Snotlings are useless, goblin are meat, Goblin Spear Chukka, Mangler Squigs(sound fun), Snotling Pump Wagon

    ^^What else GS dont have ? What LL you talk about ?
  • jherr46jherr46 Registered Users Posts: 112
    Ares354 said:

    jherr46 said:

    Ares354 said:

    GS have 2 lords that starts in different location. Plus they have 1 LL more then Empire, as core faction.

    Do they need rework, ofc ? Before Empire, yes if this rework is smaller then Empire one. Because if Empire will get Dawi or Bretonia rework, CA will **** off many people.

    I wonder about one thing; why CA didint add so many heros, mounts, units to most races if they dont use them as DLC or FLC. This make no sense.

    BM with no Doombull and Wargor, units, GS with no mounts for Goblin shamas, Black Orc hero and units, Empire same thing. Like why not add them to race from start if they dont plan to add them at all, at this point. Make no sense.

    I meant the GS needed the most attention with their unit roster. When it comes to LL all of them could use some more.
    Really ? GS have most iconic units.

    From Mount option GS lack Big Spider and Big Squig
    Heroes; Savage and Black orc bosses
    Units- Snotlings are useless, goblin are meat, Goblin Spear Chukka, Mangler Squigs(sound fun), Snotling Pump Wagon

    ^^What else GS dont have ? What LL you talk about ?
    I was saying all the old world factions could use more LL (who doesn’t want that). From am army book perspective I couldn’t tell you because I’ve never played the tabletop. I have played every faction in the game however and imo the GS, specifically the savage orcs could use more unit types. It’s just a personal suggestion.
  • jherr46jherr46 Registered Users Posts: 112
    Or just delete my whole response post. That’s cool. Wow the mods on this forum are strict.
  • Beast_of_Guanyin#8747Beast_of_Guanyin#8747 Registered Users Posts: 44,651
    edited September 2018
    Ares354 said:

    jherr46 said:

    Ares354 said:

    GS have 2 lords that starts in different location. Plus they have 1 LL more then Empire, as core faction.

    Do they need rework, ofc ? Before Empire, yes if this rework is smaller then Empire one. Because if Empire will get Dawi or Bretonia rework, CA will **** off many people.

    I wonder about one thing; why CA didint add so many heros, mounts, units to most races if they dont use them as DLC or FLC. This make no sense.

    BM with no Doombull and Wargor, units, GS with no mounts for Goblin shamas, Black Orc hero and units, Empire same thing. Like why not add them to race from start if they dont plan to add them at all, at this point. Make no sense.

    I meant the GS needed the most attention with their unit roster. When it comes to LL all of them could use some more.
    Really ? GS have most iconic units.

    From Mount option GS lack Big Spider and Big Squig
    Heroes; Savage and Black orc bosses
    Units- Snotlings are useless, goblin are meat, Goblin Spear Chukka, Mangler Squigs(sound fun), Snotling Pump Wagon

    ^^What else GS dont have ? What LL you talk about ?
    Ummm.... @Grom_the_Paunch for one. Empire can hang late game. GS can't.
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  • Grom_the_Paunch#8146Grom_the_Paunch#8146 Registered Users, Moderators, Knights Posts: 2,741
    Ares354 said:

    jherr46 said:

    Ares354 said:

    GS have 2 lords that starts in different location. Plus they have 1 LL more then Empire, as core faction.

    Do they need rework, ofc ? Before Empire, yes if this rework is smaller then Empire one. Because if Empire will get Dawi or Bretonia rework, CA will **** off many people.

    I wonder about one thing; why CA didint add so many heros, mounts, units to most races if they dont use them as DLC or FLC. This make no sense.

    BM with no Doombull and Wargor, units, GS with no mounts for Goblin shamas, Black Orc hero and units, Empire same thing. Like why not add them to race from start if they dont plan to add them at all, at this point. Make no sense.

    I meant the GS needed the most attention with their unit roster. When it comes to LL all of them could use some more.
    Really ? GS have most iconic units.

    From Mount option GS lack Big Spider and Big Squig
    Heroes; Savage and Black orc bosses
    Units- Snotlings are useless, goblin are meat, Goblin Spear Chukka, Mangler Squigs(sound fun), Snotling Pump Wagon

    ^^What else GS dont have ? What LL you talk about ?
    Me. Gorfang Rotgut. Morglum Necksnapper. The Black Gobbo. Spearboyz. Stone Trolls. River Trolls. Shielded Black Orcs. Big Stabbaz. Forest goblins on foot. Forest goblin shaman. The real Boar Boyz… Don't know what these are. Too rubbish to be orcs on boars. Great orc shaman. Savage orc warboss for Wurrzag and the other savage orc factions. Tons of weapons variants.

    They could take a selection from that lot. I'm sure we've still missed plenty between us.

    Campaign mechanics are dull and frankly broken. Azhag is his own warboss. probably deserves his own start position. Maybe add Black Gobbo to Grimgor's lot. A few landmarks for Greenskins would be nice.
  • Ares354#1090Ares354#1090 Registered Users Posts: 4,301

    Ares354 said:

    jherr46 said:

    Ares354 said:

    GS have 2 lords that starts in different location. Plus they have 1 LL more then Empire, as core faction.

    Do they need rework, ofc ? Before Empire, yes if this rework is smaller then Empire one. Because if Empire will get Dawi or Bretonia rework, CA will **** off many people.

    I wonder about one thing; why CA didint add so many heros, mounts, units to most races if they dont use them as DLC or FLC. This make no sense.

    BM with no Doombull and Wargor, units, GS with no mounts for Goblin shamas, Black Orc hero and units, Empire same thing. Like why not add them to race from start if they dont plan to add them at all, at this point. Make no sense.

    I meant the GS needed the most attention with their unit roster. When it comes to LL all of them could use some more.
    Really ? GS have most iconic units.

    From Mount option GS lack Big Spider and Big Squig
    Heroes; Savage and Black orc bosses
    Units- Snotlings are useless, goblin are meat, Goblin Spear Chukka, Mangler Squigs(sound fun), Snotling Pump Wagon

    ^^What else GS dont have ? What LL you talk about ?
    Ummm.... @Grom_the_Paunch for one. Empire can hang late game. GS can't.
    GS have more LL then Empire. On what units Grom will focus to be somehow unique ? And why GS cant handle late game ?
  • FinishingLast#1402FinishingLast#1402 Registered Users Posts: 4,884
    Honestly, I don't care which old world faction gets it as long as they keep updating them. Empire and Greenskins need it the most of the core races and I don't really play either of them so whichever comes first is fine by me. I'd rather Beastmen get it first, but I do believe they should probably be held until after the core races get updated, but I'd play them more.
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  • Grom_the_Paunch#8146Grom_the_Paunch#8146 Registered Users, Moderators, Knights Posts: 2,741
    edited September 2018
    Ares354 said:

    Ares354 said:

    jherr46 said:

    Ares354 said:

    GS have 2 lords that starts in different location. Plus they have 1 LL more then Empire, as core faction.

    Do they need rework, ofc ? Before Empire, yes if this rework is smaller then Empire one. Because if Empire will get Dawi or Bretonia rework, CA will **** off many people.

    I wonder about one thing; why CA didint add so many heros, mounts, units to most races if they dont use them as DLC or FLC. This make no sense.

    BM with no Doombull and Wargor, units, GS with no mounts for Goblin shamas, Black Orc hero and units, Empire same thing. Like why not add them to race from start if they dont plan to add them at all, at this point. Make no sense.

    I meant the GS needed the most attention with their unit roster. When it comes to LL all of them could use some more.
    Really ? GS have most iconic units.

    From Mount option GS lack Big Spider and Big Squig
    Heroes; Savage and Black orc bosses
    Units- Snotlings are useless, goblin are meat, Goblin Spear Chukka, Mangler Squigs(sound fun), Snotling Pump Wagon

    ^^What else GS dont have ? What LL you talk about ?
    Ummm.... @Grom_the_Paunch for one. Empire can hang late game. GS can't.
    GS have more LL then Empire. On what units Grom will focus to be somehow unique ? And why GS cant handle late game ?
    Empire definitely need a LOT of work. So do the Greenskins. The question was what comes next. The Dwarfs being the last one surely makes Greenskins seem sensible as their rivals. Also Empire and Dwarfs are both "good guyz". Giving them both extra toys first could tip game balance a little too much on campaign map.

    Empire still are possible though.

    Edit: To specifically answer previous questions:

    Which units should come with me, Grom the Titanic? Stone Trolls and River Trolls. "Iconic" units that made greenskin trolls special and diverse. Fitting really, since troll characteristics are what makes Grom special.

    Why can't GS handle late game? Most of their units are weak. They are designed to go wide and outnumber the opposition like Skaven do. Skaven use reinforced ambushes to get numerical advantage, etc. GS are supposed to use the extra Waaagh! armies that simply don't work. This forces you to cheese out Black Orcs and Arachnaroks. That isn't the greenskin way. It's dull.
  • Ares354#1090Ares354#1090 Registered Users Posts: 4,301

    Ares354 said:

    Ares354 said:

    jherr46 said:

    Ares354 said:

    GS have 2 lords that starts in different location. Plus they have 1 LL more then Empire, as core faction.

    Do they need rework, ofc ? Before Empire, yes if this rework is smaller then Empire one. Because if Empire will get Dawi or Bretonia rework, CA will **** off many people.

    I wonder about one thing; why CA didint add so many heros, mounts, units to most races if they dont use them as DLC or FLC. This make no sense.

    BM with no Doombull and Wargor, units, GS with no mounts for Goblin shamas, Black Orc hero and units, Empire same thing. Like why not add them to race from start if they dont plan to add them at all, at this point. Make no sense.

    I meant the GS needed the most attention with their unit roster. When it comes to LL all of them could use some more.
    Really ? GS have most iconic units.

    From Mount option GS lack Big Spider and Big Squig
    Heroes; Savage and Black orc bosses
    Units- Snotlings are useless, goblin are meat, Goblin Spear Chukka, Mangler Squigs(sound fun), Snotling Pump Wagon

    ^^What else GS dont have ? What LL you talk about ?
    Ummm.... @Grom_the_Paunch for one. Empire can hang late game. GS can't.
    GS have more LL then Empire. On what units Grom will focus to be somehow unique ? And why GS cant handle late game ?
    Empire definitely need a LOT of work. So do the Greenskins. The question was what comes next. The Dwarfs being the last one surely makes Greenskins seem sensible as their rivals. Also Empire and Dwarfs are both "good guyz". Giving them both extra toys first could tip game balance a little too much on campaign map.

    Empire still are possible though.
    I think is better to give GS update faster because Empire need a big one imho. Where GS need rework to waaagh, some tech tree updates, and maybe Grom, or few units is not that much.

    Empire need subfaction and new starting position with new LL.

    Both faction could use new units from AB.

    As for BM, i think best is to add them huge update with WoC rework.
  • Helhound#7332Helhound#7332 Registered Users Posts: 5,568
    edited September 2018
    Honestly anybody works. Just glad they keep up the progress.

    Om that note...there's this one GS lord option. Prom the Gaunch? Yea he's just the worst. Clearly a sub optimal choice. Uninstall the game and never play again if that guy makes it in.
  • Grom_the_Paunch#8146Grom_the_Paunch#8146 Registered Users, Moderators, Knights Posts: 2,741

    Honestly anybody works. Just glad they keep up the progress.

    Om that note...there's this one GS lord option. Prom the Gaunch? Yea he's just the worst. Clearly a sub optimal choice. Uninstall the game and never play again if that guy makes it in.

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  • Canuovea#6291Canuovea#6291 Registered Users, Moderators, Knights Posts: 15,976
    I think that if we are getting the Southern Realms we will get an Empire rework.

    If we are getting the Vampire Coast we will get a Vampire Counts rework (because of course).

    If we get Araby then... uh... Greenskins? Because next to Tomb Kings, Araby will have to be fighting the Greenskins next? Honestly, they don't really have a connection to the existing factions.
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  • Beast_of_Guanyin#8747Beast_of_Guanyin#8747 Registered Users Posts: 44,651
    edited September 2018
    Empire essentially needs a Dwarf update. A new mechanic, new starting position, new LL (the half implemented already Boris) and they're good to go. Orcs need the bigger one as their roster is the issue.
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  • Canuovea#6291Canuovea#6291 Registered Users, Moderators, Knights Posts: 15,976
    edited September 2018
    I want Marius.

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    Canuovea said:

    I want Marius.

    Yes, definitely. One of his unique mechanics should be that units of unicorns keep magically appearing and harassing his army's flanks.
  • GodWillTellGodWillTell Registered Users Posts: 1,148
    If "moons" really means something about an Old World update then the obvious choice is BM, or at least BM is the 1st choice basing on their moon mechanics and quests like this campaign event:



    And i hope, i really really hope that CA will finally complete their roster or at least adding the most iconic missing units like Ghorgon, Doombull and Jabberslythe...after all these rants, requests, videos and meme (@Gotrek_Beastslayer i'm.watching you ;D) on social networks, youtube, subreddit, TW Center for years!
    I tell you.......if CA will add these units then i can wait until the end of the year. The important is having them. Take your time and do it, CA.

    But i'm fine with GS, Empire, WE and VC. If these updates add missing units or LL then i don't care which one comes first.
  • Ares354#1090Ares354#1090 Registered Users Posts: 4,301

    Empire essentially needs a Dwarf update. A new mechanic, new starting position, new LL (the half implemented already Boris) and they're good to go. Orcs need the bigger one as their roster is the issue.

    You are biased;

    GS need units, but Empire dont, why ? What units GS dont have that is essential!?

    If we talk heroes; both faction need them; Empire need Master engineer, Gold and Death wizard, from Lord Empire still dont have Wizard lord and Grand Master.

    GS dont have Savage and Black Orc bosses. From Lord only Orc shaman is missing.

    If we talk about that kind of missing units; then WE need few as well
  • RikRiorik#9890RikRiorik#9890 Registered Users Posts: 12,744
    When it comes to sheer amount of different units no faction hold a candle to the Greenskins. Fact. All others are roughly equal. But last I checked the greens were the only ones breaching the 30 unit mark with most others around 21-24.
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  • Grom_the_Paunch#8146Grom_the_Paunch#8146 Registered Users, Moderators, Knights Posts: 2,741
    RikRiorik said:

    When it comes to sheer amount of different units no faction hold a candle to the Greenskins. Fact. All others are roughly equal. But last I checked the greens were the only ones breaching the 30 unit mark with most others around 21-24.

    Yep. In Table Top they were easily the most diverse faction. That was the whole point of them. Variety and insanity. Instead we have a situation where late game GS are mostly just Black Orcs, Arachnaroks and Doom Divers. The roster is wasted. Not cool.
  • RikRiorik#9890RikRiorik#9890 Registered Users Posts: 12,744

    RikRiorik said:

    When it comes to sheer amount of different units no faction hold a candle to the Greenskins. Fact. All others are roughly equal. But last I checked the greens were the only ones breaching the 30 unit mark with most others around 21-24.

    Yep. In Table Top they were easily the most diverse faction. That was the whole point of them. Variety and insanity. Instead we have a situation where late game GS are mostly just Black Orcs, Arachnaroks and Doom Divers. The roster is wasted. Not cool.
    MP is the more true representation of the table top army selection anyways. And from what I see in MP you can find a job for any unit as long as it is priced accordingly.
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  • Grom_the_Paunch#8146Grom_the_Paunch#8146 Registered Users, Moderators, Knights Posts: 2,741
    RikRiorik said:

    RikRiorik said:

    When it comes to sheer amount of different units no faction hold a candle to the Greenskins. Fact. All others are roughly equal. But last I checked the greens were the only ones breaching the 30 unit mark with most others around 21-24.

    Yep. In Table Top they were easily the most diverse faction. That was the whole point of them. Variety and insanity. Instead we have a situation where late game GS are mostly just Black Orcs, Arachnaroks and Doom Divers. The roster is wasted. Not cool.
    MP is the more true representation of the table top army selection anyways. And from what I see in MP you can find a job for any unit as long as it is priced accordingly.
    Agreed. GS are good in MP. A nice toolbox like the Empire. Maybe better. That doesn't mean CA shouldn't look at finding ways to make them play like actual Greenskins in campaign though.
  • Sternguard_McShooty#5469Sternguard_McShooty#5469 Registered Users Posts: 238

    Ares354 said:

    jherr46 said:

    Ares354 said:

    GS have 2 lords that starts in different location. Plus they have 1 LL more then Empire, as core faction.

    Do they need rework, ofc ? Before Empire, yes if this rework is smaller then Empire one. Because if Empire will get Dawi or Bretonia rework, CA will **** off many people.

    I wonder about one thing; why CA didint add so many heros, mounts, units to most races if they dont use them as DLC or FLC. This make no sense.

    BM with no Doombull and Wargor, units, GS with no mounts for Goblin shamas, Black Orc hero and units, Empire same thing. Like why not add them to race from start if they dont plan to add them at all, at this point. Make no sense.

    I meant the GS needed the most attention with their unit roster. When it comes to LL all of them could use some more.
    Really ? GS have most iconic units.

    From Mount option GS lack Big Spider and Big Squig
    Heroes; Savage and Black orc bosses
    Units- Snotlings are useless, goblin are meat, Goblin Spear Chukka, Mangler Squigs(sound fun), Snotling Pump Wagon

    ^^What else GS dont have ? What LL you talk about ?
    Me. Gorfang Rotgut. Morglum Necksnapper. The Black Gobbo. Spearboyz. Stone Trolls. River Trolls. Shielded Black Orcs. Big Stabbaz. Forest goblins on foot. Forest goblin shaman. The real Boar Boyz… Don't know what these are. Too rubbish to be orcs on boars. Great orc shaman. Savage orc warboss for Wurrzag and the other savage orc factions. Tons of weapons variants.

    They could take a selection from that lot. I'm sure we've still missed plenty between us.

    Campaign mechanics are dull and frankly broken. Azhag is his own warboss. probably deserves his own start position. Maybe add Black Gobbo to Grimgor's lot. A few landmarks for Greenskins would be nice.
    What is "Black Gobbo"?
  • Grom_the_Paunch#8146Grom_the_Paunch#8146 Registered Users, Moderators, Knights Posts: 2,741

    Ares354 said:

    jherr46 said:

    Ares354 said:

    GS have 2 lords that starts in different location. Plus they have 1 LL more then Empire, as core faction.

    Do they need rework, ofc ? Before Empire, yes if this rework is smaller then Empire one. Because if Empire will get Dawi or Bretonia rework, CA will **** off many people.

    I wonder about one thing; why CA didint add so many heros, mounts, units to most races if they dont use them as DLC or FLC. This make no sense.

    BM with no Doombull and Wargor, units, GS with no mounts for Goblin shamas, Black Orc hero and units, Empire same thing. Like why not add them to race from start if they dont plan to add them at all, at this point. Make no sense.

    I meant the GS needed the most attention with their unit roster. When it comes to LL all of them could use some more.
    Really ? GS have most iconic units.

    From Mount option GS lack Big Spider and Big Squig
    Heroes; Savage and Black orc bosses
    Units- Snotlings are useless, goblin are meat, Goblin Spear Chukka, Mangler Squigs(sound fun), Snotling Pump Wagon

    ^^What else GS dont have ? What LL you talk about ?
    Me. Gorfang Rotgut. Morglum Necksnapper. The Black Gobbo. Spearboyz. Stone Trolls. River Trolls. Shielded Black Orcs. Big Stabbaz. Forest goblins on foot. Forest goblin shaman. The real Boar Boyz… Don't know what these are. Too rubbish to be orcs on boars. Great orc shaman. Savage orc warboss for Wurrzag and the other savage orc factions. Tons of weapons variants.

    They could take a selection from that lot. I'm sure we've still missed plenty between us.

    Campaign mechanics are dull and frankly broken. Azhag is his own warboss. probably deserves his own start position. Maybe add Black Gobbo to Grimgor's lot. A few landmarks for Greenskins would be nice.
    What is "Black Gobbo"?
    The Black Goblin is the White Dwarf's nemesis. I have a copy of a 'White Dwarf' magazine that was renamed 'the Black Gobbo' and it was full of greenskin stuff. If you play as Grombrindal, he even gets a wee mention in the intro.

    It would be a lovely bonus LL at some point and he needn't be a faction leader.
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