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GS have 2 lords that starts in different location. Plus they have 1 LL more then Empire, as core faction.
Do they need rework, ofc ? Before Empire, yes if this rework is smaller then Empire one. Because if Empire will get Dawi or Bretonia rework, CA will **** off many people.
I wonder about one thing; why CA didint add so many heros, mounts, units to most races if they dont use them as DLC or FLC. This make no sense.
BM with no Doombull and Wargor, units, GS with no mounts for Goblin shamas, Black Orc hero and units, Empire same thing. Like why not add them to race from start if they dont plan to add them at all, at this point. Make no sense.
I meant the GS needed the most attention with their unit roster. When it comes to LL all of them could use some more.
Really ? GS have most iconic units.
From Mount option GS lack Big Spider and Big Squig Heroes; Savage and Black orc bosses Units- Snotlings are useless, goblin are meat, Goblin Spear Chukka, Mangler Squigs(sound fun), Snotling Pump Wagon
^^What else GS dont have ? What LL you talk about ?
Me. Gorfang Rotgut. Morglum Necksnapper. The Black Gobbo. Spearboyz. Stone Trolls. River Trolls. Shielded Black Orcs. Big Stabbaz. Forest goblins on foot. Forest goblin shaman. The real Boar Boyz… Don't know what these are. Too rubbish to be orcs on boars. Great orc shaman. Savage orc warboss for Wurrzag and the other savage orc factions. Tons of weapons variants.
They could take a selection from that lot. I'm sure we've still missed plenty between us.
Campaign mechanics are dull and frankly broken. Azhag is his own warboss. probably deserves his own start position. Maybe add Black Gobbo to Grimgor's lot. A few landmarks for Greenskins would be nice.
Problem with speaboyz is that they are weapon variant, as are Black Orcs with shield. They are easy to add, but they might not be added simply because of balance. If we add Black Orce with shield, GS lose one of the weakness they have, weak to range units. Black orc have Great weapons, so AP units. Shield will take from them their weakness to range units. Forest goblins only for Skarsnik.
If we go weapons variants; then Empire need to have Halberd units with shield, Empire Knights(all with two handed weapons), Demish with halberd and shield too. Huntmen, Empire Archers, so on.
Some faction need to have weakness ok. Giving SG shield version of Black orcs will let them stomp every nation who focus on range units. For Campaign its ok, but for MP that will have impact.
Don't forget orcs with spears, and black orcs with shields.
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Empire essentially needs a Dwarf update. A new mechanic, new starting position, new LL (the half implemented already Boris) and they're good to go. Orcs need the bigger one as their roster is the issue.
You are biased;
GS need units, but Empire dont, why ? What units GS dont have that is essential!?
If we talk heroes; both faction need them; Empire need Master engineer, Gold and Death wizard, from Lord Empire still dont have Wizard lord and Grand Master.
GS dont have Savage and Black Orc bosses. From Lord only Orc shaman is missing.
If we talk about that kind of missing units; then WE need few as well
Yes, I am. That's how opinion works. I am biased, you are, we all are, it's how that works.
Empire has many Wizard heroes who have lord level mounts. Orcs have no orc melee hero. WE miss only variants, while Orcs miss many units period. Their roster design is also inherently flawed. This is about how the roster works, the Ork roster is inherently flawed.
This isn't a case of comparing what's missing to see who misses more, it's a case of roles. Wizards are a good example. Empire may miss Wizard lords and a couple lores, but they have a lot of lores, and lord level mounts. They have the Wizard role covered. Orcs meanwhile are missing the melee hero. It's a far bigger difference than missing one lore.
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WTW neglects Empire faction. this is not right.
Even though I would very much like more BM stuff come to the game, I am ready to wait more. For the sake of Warhammer feel, give Empire 110% full roster!
They said its a faction we dont really exspect needs an update, so its not Empire or Beastmen, thats the only thing I can guess^^
Im torn between Greenskins and Woodelves, Vampires I dont know what they want to rework them, maybe put kemmler to Bretonnia.
No. They said it might not be the faction the question asker is hoping for. They did not say it wasn’t one that needs an update at all. They also gave no indication one way or the other because the person who asked the question didn’t mention any races. They were just saying isn’t be the race they expected, just as the same as it won’t be the race a lot of people expect since every race is expected by someone. They were just trying to cut off the salt early.
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If we go weapons variants; then Empire need to have Halberd units with shield, Empire Knights(all with two handed weapons), Demish with halberd and shield too. Huntmen, Empire Archers, so on.
Some faction need to have weakness ok. Giving SG shield version of Black orcs will let them stomp every nation who focus on range units. For Campaign its ok, but for MP that will have impact.
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0 · Disagree AgreeEmpire has many Wizard heroes who have lord level mounts. Orcs have no orc melee hero. WE miss only variants, while Orcs miss many units period. Their roster design is also inherently flawed. This is about how the roster works, the Ork roster is inherently flawed.
This isn't a case of comparing what's missing to see who misses more, it's a case of roles. Wizards are a good example. Empire may miss Wizard lords and a couple lores, but they have a lot of lores, and lord level mounts. They have the Wizard role covered. Orcs meanwhile are missing the melee hero. It's a far bigger difference than missing one lore.
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WTW neglects Empire faction. this is not right.
Even though I would very much like more BM stuff come to the game, I am ready to wait more. For the sake of Warhammer feel, give Empire 110% full roster!
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1 · Disagree AgreeIm torn between Greenskins and Woodelves, Vampires I dont know what they want to rework them, maybe put kemmler to Bretonnia.
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Rich: I’m happy to say yes, the next campaign pack will come with another rework to an Old World faction. Which one it is I can’t say at this time – and potentially it may not be the one that you are most hoping for –”
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