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  • Tennisgolfboll#5877Tennisgolfboll#5877 Registered Users Posts: 13,632

    Having wifes as general would fit very well with the game. If optional even better.

    no...
    I disagree
    It needs to be pointed out that what people call "cheese" is just playing the game the way it actually exists not in some fictional way they think it is supposed to work.
  • TheGuardianOfMetal#3661TheGuardianOfMetal#3661 Registered Users Posts: 14,701

    Having wifes as general would fit very well with the game. If optional even better.

    no...
    I disagree
    and I disagreee with you disagreeing. As I said: Noblewomen etc. had other stuff to do then leading armies...
    The Empire still hasn't gotten their FLC LL. We need Marius Leitdorf of Averland!

    Where is Boris Todbringer? Have you seen him? For a Middenland DLC with Boris and the Ar-Ulric!

    Every wrong is recorded. Every slight against us, page after page, ETCHED IN BLOOD!

    Queek could smell their hatred, ratcheted to a degree that even he could not evoke in their simple hearts. He stepped over the old orange-fur’s body, eager to see for himself what it was they saw. But he heard it first.
    'Waaaaaaaggh! Gorfang!'
  • Tennisgolfboll#5877Tennisgolfboll#5877 Registered Users Posts: 13,632

    Having wifes as general would fit very well with the game. If optional even better.

    no...
    I disagree
    and I disagreee with you disagreeing. As I said: Noblewomen etc. had other stuff to do then leading armies...
    You disagree with me disagreeing? Lol!
    It needs to be pointed out that what people call "cheese" is just playing the game the way it actually exists not in some fictional way they think it is supposed to work.
  • TheGuardianOfMetal#3661TheGuardianOfMetal#3661 Registered Users Posts: 14,701

    Having wifes as general would fit very well with the game. If optional even better.

    no...
    I disagree
    and I disagreee with you disagreeing. As I said: Noblewomen etc. had other stuff to do then leading armies...
    You disagree with me disagreeing? Lol!
    considering "I disagree" was your only answer...
    The Empire still hasn't gotten their FLC LL. We need Marius Leitdorf of Averland!

    Where is Boris Todbringer? Have you seen him? For a Middenland DLC with Boris and the Ar-Ulric!

    Every wrong is recorded. Every slight against us, page after page, ETCHED IN BLOOD!

    Queek could smell their hatred, ratcheted to a degree that even he could not evoke in their simple hearts. He stepped over the old orange-fur’s body, eager to see for himself what it was they saw. But he heard it first.
    'Waaaaaaaggh! Gorfang!'
  • KronusXKronusX Registered Users Posts: 2,464

    Having wifes as general would fit very well with the game. If optional even better.

    It depends of the faction. Female Roman generals? not even in a million years. Britannia female general? Sure at a very low %
  • Tennisgolfboll#5877Tennisgolfboll#5877 Registered Users Posts: 13,632
    The generals of their time and state leaders very rarely lead battles as seen in total war. They often were way behind the actual battle lines, if real generals. And many state leaders etc was just informed or demanded certain overall strategies and were in the capital many many miles from conflict

    It needs to be pointed out that what people call "cheese" is just playing the game the way it actually exists not in some fictional way they think it is supposed to work.
  • davedave1124#4773davedave1124#4773 Registered Users Posts: 22,692
    and I disagreee with you disagreeing. As I said: Noblewomen etc. had other stuff to do then leading armies...

    We've been through this. Some women took up arms and led armies. This didn't happen much but TW is a sandbox game so it's up to the player. This is such a non-issue. I don't remember anyone complaining about the Puckle Gun or Byzantine mobile flamethrowers this passionately.
  • WarlockeWarlocke Registered Users Posts: 4,083

    Total war is a complete glorifying view of war.

    War in reality is about massmurder and genocide. Almost all Caesars "battles" in Gaul were genocides on civilians.

    How about the next total war having 1 real battle for every 10 tedious genocides on civilians?

    No thanks. None of the total wars have been remotely realistic. Or i would never have played them

    War virtually always involves civilian massacres, but that is not genocide. You are not using that word correctly.
    ò_ó
  • TheGuardianOfMetal#3661TheGuardianOfMetal#3661 Registered Users Posts: 14,701
    KronusX said:

    Having wifes as general would fit very well with the game. If optional even better.

    It depends of the faction. Female Roman generals? not even in a million years. Britannia female general? Sure at a very low %
    the talk between him and me was actually about a hypothetical Med III or Empire II (or anything set in the years inbetween those), for European factions at least. Not Rome.
    The Empire still hasn't gotten their FLC LL. We need Marius Leitdorf of Averland!

    Where is Boris Todbringer? Have you seen him? For a Middenland DLC with Boris and the Ar-Ulric!

    Every wrong is recorded. Every slight against us, page after page, ETCHED IN BLOOD!

    Queek could smell their hatred, ratcheted to a degree that even he could not evoke in their simple hearts. He stepped over the old orange-fur’s body, eager to see for himself what it was they saw. But he heard it first.
    'Waaaaaaaggh! Gorfang!'
  • Tennisgolfboll#5877Tennisgolfboll#5877 Registered Users Posts: 13,632
    edited September 2018
    Warlocke said:

    Total war is a complete glorifying view of war.

    War in reality is about massmurder and genocide. Almost all Caesars "battles" in Gaul were genocides on civilians.

    How about the next total war having 1 real battle for every 10 tedious genocides on civilians?

    No thanks. None of the total wars have been remotely realistic. Or i would never have played them

    War virtually always involves civilian massacres, but that is not genocide. You are not using that word correctly.
    I disagree. War mostly contains genocide.
    It needs to be pointed out that what people call "cheese" is just playing the game the way it actually exists not in some fictional way they think it is supposed to work.
  • DerpyRoxasDerpyRoxas Registered Users Posts: 3,348
    edited September 2018

    I have seen the same comments when the high elf princess and the female dreadlord were added. These type of characters existed in the lore, but Games Workshop didn't release official models for them. Didn't matter, some people still shouted "Agenda" (although the issue really lasts for 12 hours or so, unlike the Rome 2 stuff).

    However CA have addressed their concerns in a twitter post, and the bashing is still continuing. If giving out facts doesn't matter, and no one is giving clear demands of what changes should be made to Rome 2 to stop the bashing then there is nothing that can be done.

    When the DoW-like army gets announced next week (come on guys it is this faction) it is highly likely we are going to get Belladonna and potentially the fourth LL is Saltspite given the hints we have received so far. I wouldn't be surprised if they start moaning about how we have 50/50 gender characters for this new faction and the dark elves.

    If Saltspite is indeed a LL, people would point that someone else deserved that post (especially DoW are the faction with MOST named characters after the Empire), and that's fair enough argument. Idc for the SJW or ArchW shouting like the unworthy youtuber he is. People don't really cared for females in games from the start.If she takes the place of Borgio or Belladonna, well, **** will hit the fan, and I will be the fan, nonetheless.

    As I subscribed to r/Battlefield from the beginning of that trauma, I can say a few things:

    1. The very first critics came when BF5 spawned their horrible announcement trailer. People were horrified by the cosmetics choices in what it was a multiplayer match and historical authenticity: a male with a prosthetic arm could not fight in WW2, think about a woman, in the British Army, which had very strict recruitment process. And then, a katana appeared. Enough was enough. **** hit the fan and things escalated the days after: from a focus on doubtful marketing and customization choices (EA marketed the game as HISTORICAL, because some vice-president decided to rewrite history for his little girl) people started with the "wheelchair soldier" crap. Weeks after, the game alpha was in such a state of "unplayable" that people started to meme the crap out of it. Then the "Don't buy it if you don't like it"

    2. Gamescom trailer was a disaster of epic proportion: John McLean running with a shirt avoiding bullets. Asian snipers on the British Army and German Hockey Masks. People here decided to not pre-order anymore. After the 85% less than CoD pre-orders, EA decided to FIRE people and tell Dice: tone down this or we cancel the development of further DLC product (which are still at risks)

    3. The game is moving to a different direction now, but the disaster hit nonetheless. However, since you can't focus on the same thing, trolls from r/trump and similar "shiteholes", to quote the Donald, are literally focusing on other games. It's just that they target and stir gamers for political reasons. Just like SJW started their crap, the Alt-right do the same in what they don't like. They started with Wolfenstein 1, not two, I remember those days. Simply because they feel attacked, they choose to counter this by attacking that does not feel to their tastes.


    In practice, good critics at the start can devolve to full trollfest in little time if you listen to these people. Just don't.
  • KronusXKronusX Registered Users Posts: 2,464

    KronusX said:

    Having wifes as general would fit very well with the game. If optional even better.

    It depends of the faction. Female Roman generals? not even in a million years. Britannia female general? Sure at a very low %
    the talk between him and me was actually about a hypothetical Med III or Empire II (or anything set in the years inbetween those), for European factions at least. Not Rome.
    If it is for European factions, it would have to be like a 10% spawn rate or something. There were female generals , sure, but so few to the point of insignificance (and no you don't need to tell me about the female leaders you know, I am aware already that there were some here and there throughout the ages).
  • TheGuardianOfMetal#3661TheGuardianOfMetal#3661 Registered Users Posts: 14,701
    edited September 2018
    KronusX said:

    KronusX said:

    Having wifes as general would fit very well with the game. If optional even better.

    It depends of the faction. Female Roman generals? not even in a million years. Britannia female general? Sure at a very low %
    the talk between him and me was actually about a hypothetical Med III or Empire II (or anything set in the years inbetween those), for European factions at least. Not Rome.
    If it is for European factions, it would have to be like a 10% spawn rate or something. There were female generals , sure, but so few to the point of insignificance (and no you don't need to tell me about the female leaders you know, I am aware already that there were some here and there throughout the ages).
    I'd actually go with 5%. One of the main reasons used in the trial against her, that lead to Jeanne d'Arc ending up being roast was... THAT SHE WAS WEARING MAN CLOTHES.
    The Empire still hasn't gotten their FLC LL. We need Marius Leitdorf of Averland!

    Where is Boris Todbringer? Have you seen him? For a Middenland DLC with Boris and the Ar-Ulric!

    Every wrong is recorded. Every slight against us, page after page, ETCHED IN BLOOD!

    Queek could smell their hatred, ratcheted to a degree that even he could not evoke in their simple hearts. He stepped over the old orange-fur’s body, eager to see for himself what it was they saw. But he heard it first.
    'Waaaaaaaggh! Gorfang!'
  • Tennisgolfboll#5877Tennisgolfboll#5877 Registered Users Posts: 13,632
    The generals that exist in total war were nothing like the generals in history.

    More correct would be to have them on a seperate map then.
    It needs to be pointed out that what people call "cheese" is just playing the game the way it actually exists not in some fictional way they think it is supposed to work.
  • Tennisgolfboll#5877Tennisgolfboll#5877 Registered Users Posts: 13,632
    I prefer CAs entertainment. Allowing wives to be generals as an option sounds fun.
    It needs to be pointed out that what people call "cheese" is just playing the game the way it actually exists not in some fictional way they think it is supposed to work.
  • TheGuardianOfMetal#3661TheGuardianOfMetal#3661 Registered Users Posts: 14,701

    I prefer CAs entertainment. Allowing wives to be generals as an option sounds fun.

    *points to Assassin's Creed, Dynasty Warriors and For Honor*
    The Empire still hasn't gotten their FLC LL. We need Marius Leitdorf of Averland!

    Where is Boris Todbringer? Have you seen him? For a Middenland DLC with Boris and the Ar-Ulric!

    Every wrong is recorded. Every slight against us, page after page, ETCHED IN BLOOD!

    Queek could smell their hatred, ratcheted to a degree that even he could not evoke in their simple hearts. He stepped over the old orange-fur’s body, eager to see for himself what it was they saw. But he heard it first.
    'Waaaaaaaggh! Gorfang!'
  • WarlockeWarlocke Registered Users Posts: 4,083

    Warlocke said:

    Total war is a complete glorifying view of war.

    War in reality is about massmurder and genocide. Almost all Caesars "battles" in Gaul were genocides on civilians.

    How about the next total war having 1 real battle for every 10 tedious genocides on civilians?

    No thanks. None of the total wars have been remotely realistic. Or i would never have played them

    War virtually always involves civilian massacres, but that is not genocide. You are not using that word correctly.
    I disagree. War mostly contains genocide.
    Genocide is the systematic eradication or sterilization of an entire ethnic or cultural group. That has happened too often in history but it definitely does not happen in most wars. You are falsely equivocating genocide with civilian massacre.
    ò_ó
  • KronusXKronusX Registered Users Posts: 2,464

    The generals that exist in total war were nothing like the generals in history.

    More correct would be to have them on a seperate map then.

    It doesn't matter, in a game that is historical authentic you can't just pump female general the way you feel like it and call it 'historical authentic''. The reason most that play Warhammer don't have a grudge against female generals here is because it is a fantasy lore. I had times when all my elven generals were females at my selection but hey, it's High Elves, there is nothing about ''historical accuracy'' when it comes to an invented race.

    same thing when it comes to squads of female warriors compared to Rome 2 ''female warriors pack'' which is extremely inaccurate.
  • ladymissfit#8688ladymissfit#8688 Registered Users Posts: 3,480

    KronusX said:

    KronusX said:

    Having wifes as general would fit very well with the game. If optional even better.

    It depends of the faction. Female Roman generals? not even in a million years. Britannia female general? Sure at a very low %
    the talk between him and me was actually about a hypothetical Med III or Empire II (or anything set in the years inbetween those), for European factions at least. Not Rome.
    If it is for European factions, it would have to be like a 10% spawn rate or something. There were female generals , sure, but so few to the point of insignificance (and no you don't need to tell me about the female leaders you know, I am aware already that there were some here and there throughout the ages).
    I'd actually go with 5%. One of the main reasons used in the trial against her, that lead to Jeanne d'Arc ending up being roast was... THAT SHE WAS WEARING MAN CLOTHES.
    (which were the only clothes they gave her to boot...)

    this is where we run into a bit of an issue though, since part of the sandbox playstyle is giving people the option on some level so it needs to be common enough as to give people who want it that reliably. ...but not often enough to be "non-authentic". I think 10-20% is a pretty good range for what we're talking about.
    Chaos lords should be women

    Army painter plox
  • TheGuardianOfMetal#3661TheGuardianOfMetal#3661 Registered Users Posts: 14,701

    KronusX said:

    KronusX said:

    Having wifes as general would fit very well with the game. If optional even better.

    It depends of the faction. Female Roman generals? not even in a million years. Britannia female general? Sure at a very low %
    the talk between him and me was actually about a hypothetical Med III or Empire II (or anything set in the years inbetween those), for European factions at least. Not Rome.
    If it is for European factions, it would have to be like a 10% spawn rate or something. There were female generals , sure, but so few to the point of insignificance (and no you don't need to tell me about the female leaders you know, I am aware already that there were some here and there throughout the ages).
    I'd actually go with 5%. One of the main reasons used in the trial against her, that lead to Jeanne d'Arc ending up being roast was... THAT SHE WAS WEARING MAN CLOTHES.
    (which were the only clothes they gave her to boot...)

    this is where we run into a bit of an issue though, since part of the sandbox playstyle is giving people the option on some level so it needs to be common enough as to give people who want it that reliably. ...but not often enough to be "non-authentic". I think 10-20% is a pretty good range for what we're talking about.
    "They" being the English? They were including her walking around in armour when she was "leading" the French, iirc...
    The Empire still hasn't gotten their FLC LL. We need Marius Leitdorf of Averland!

    Where is Boris Todbringer? Have you seen him? For a Middenland DLC with Boris and the Ar-Ulric!

    Every wrong is recorded. Every slight against us, page after page, ETCHED IN BLOOD!

    Queek could smell their hatred, ratcheted to a degree that even he could not evoke in their simple hearts. He stepped over the old orange-fur’s body, eager to see for himself what it was they saw. But he heard it first.
    'Waaaaaaaggh! Gorfang!'
  • ladymissfit#8688ladymissfit#8688 Registered Users Posts: 3,480

    KronusX said:

    KronusX said:

    Having wifes as general would fit very well with the game. If optional even better.

    It depends of the faction. Female Roman generals? not even in a million years. Britannia female general? Sure at a very low %
    the talk between him and me was actually about a hypothetical Med III or Empire II (or anything set in the years inbetween those), for European factions at least. Not Rome.
    If it is for European factions, it would have to be like a 10% spawn rate or something. There were female generals , sure, but so few to the point of insignificance (and no you don't need to tell me about the female leaders you know, I am aware already that there were some here and there throughout the ages).
    I'd actually go with 5%. One of the main reasons used in the trial against her, that lead to Jeanne d'Arc ending up being roast was... THAT SHE WAS WEARING MAN CLOTHES.
    (which were the only clothes they gave her to boot...)

    this is where we run into a bit of an issue though, since part of the sandbox playstyle is giving people the option on some level so it needs to be common enough as to give people who want it that reliably. ...but not often enough to be "non-authentic". I think 10-20% is a pretty good range for what we're talking about.
    "They" being the English? They were including her walking around in armour when she was "leading" the French, iirc...
    When she was to go to her "judgement" they only gave her a pair of male-coded clothes, meaning she had the choice of either going naked or doing the crime she was accused of.

    They were being **** is the point.
    Chaos lords should be women

    Army painter plox
  • Tennisgolfboll#5877Tennisgolfboll#5877 Registered Users Posts: 13,632

    I prefer CAs entertainment. Allowing wives to be generals as an option sounds fun.

    *points to Assassin's Creed, Dynasty Warriors and For Honor*

    I prefer CAs entertainment. Allowing wives to be generals as an option sounds fun.

    *points to Assassin's Creed, Dynasty Warriors and For Honor*

    I prefer CAs entertainment. Allowing wives to be generals as an option sounds fun.

    *points to Assassin's Creed, Dynasty Warriors and For Honor*
    Dont like those.
    It needs to be pointed out that what people call "cheese" is just playing the game the way it actually exists not in some fictional way they think it is supposed to work.
  • #902441#902441 Registered Users Posts: 7,549
    KronusX said:


    It depends of the faction. Female Roman generals? not even in a million years. Britannia female general? Sure at a very low %

    Accepting that Boudicca was the exception rather than the rule, why is it so out of the question for the Romans?

    If Livia Drusilla had wanted to lead an army, well, considering she got Augustus to exile friends, blood relatives, and people who opposed her had a talent for dropping dead at very convenient times, I reckon she'd have been leading one.
    For in spite of all temptations. To belong to other nations. He remains an Englishman.
  • TheGuardianOfMetal#3661TheGuardianOfMetal#3661 Registered Users Posts: 14,701
    Arsenic said:

    KronusX said:


    It depends of the faction. Female Roman generals? not even in a million years. Britannia female general? Sure at a very low %

    Accepting that Boudicca was the exception rather than the rule, why is it so out of the question for the Romans?

    If Livia Drusilla had wanted to lead an army, well, considering she got Augustus to exile friends, blood relatives, and people who opposed her had a talent for dropping dead at very convenient times, I reckon she'd have been leading one.
    because Roman Society was extremely patriarchic... a Roman Woman being a player in court? Sure... leading an army?... yeah....

    Or to compare it with Greece: Sparta had the best life for women, at least compared to oh so glorious Athens, and they were the ones running the households... they even trained with boys in sports etc. Didn't mean they put on cuirass, greaves, dori and Hoplon to march of to war.
    The Empire still hasn't gotten their FLC LL. We need Marius Leitdorf of Averland!

    Where is Boris Todbringer? Have you seen him? For a Middenland DLC with Boris and the Ar-Ulric!

    Every wrong is recorded. Every slight against us, page after page, ETCHED IN BLOOD!

    Queek could smell their hatred, ratcheted to a degree that even he could not evoke in their simple hearts. He stepped over the old orange-fur’s body, eager to see for himself what it was they saw. But he heard it first.
    'Waaaaaaaggh! Gorfang!'
  • KronusXKronusX Registered Users Posts: 2,464
    Arsenic said:

    KronusX said:


    It depends of the faction. Female Roman generals? not even in a million years. Britannia female general? Sure at a very low %

    Accepting that Boudicca was the exception rather than the rule, why is it so out of the question for the Romans?

    If Livia Drusilla had wanted to lead an army, well, considering she got Augustus to exile friends, blood relatives, and people who opposed her had a talent for dropping dead at very convenient times, I reckon she'd have been leading one.
    Mostly because that's as far as authentic as you can get, just like this pack they released for Rome 2.

    https://store.steampowered.com/app/297830/Total_War_ROME_II__Daughters_of_Mars_Unit_Pack/ More like daughters of CA pandering than anything else.
  • davedave1124#4773davedave1124#4773 Registered Users Posts: 22,692
    edited September 2018
    In reference to Jeanne d'Arc it's reasonable that CA would most likely use the 'popular culture' version of her and not the historically accurate version.

    There's a 10-15% chance of a female appearing but you have to add to that the player has a choice on whether to select her as a general. Anything less than 10% would mean the chances are a female would never spawn meaning it would be a waste of time.

    I would love someone to show me a TW game that was historically accurate.
  • DerpyRoxasDerpyRoxas Registered Users Posts: 3,348
    Dinasty Warriors is a great game in my opinion, and female generals existed in different points of history, so the thing is not forced.
    Regarding Jean D'Arc, people tend to forgot that the Middle Ages are full of female leader leading warbands (especially in a hyperzealant religious fervour)

    As an Italian, I can talk only for my country, we had female venture captains, female watch guards and female mercenaries. Italy was and always be sexist, but when you peninsula is engulfed in petty wars for a millenia, you can easily expect shortages of manpower, and that's the only reason why there were females in leading positions, but as men, they were from the rear, or used men to order around.
  • #902441#902441 Registered Users Posts: 7,549


    because Roman Society was extremely patriarchic... a Roman Woman being a player in court? Sure... leading an army?... yeah....

    They were also a very practical people, and if they were desperate enough, they'd have made an exception.
    For in spite of all temptations. To belong to other nations. He remains an Englishman.
  • DerpyRoxasDerpyRoxas Registered Users Posts: 3,348
    Arsenic said:


    because Roman Society was extremely patriarchic... a Roman Woman being a player in court? Sure... leading an army?... yeah....

    They were also a very practical people, and if they were desperate enough, they'd have made an exception.
    Plutarch said that after Cannae even women proposed to battle to the Senate, but they were rejected in favour of slaves conscription.
  • #902441#902441 Registered Users Posts: 7,549
    HoneyBun said:



    I think Livia should have succeeded Augustus in her own right ... she was clearly more capable than her son


    Depends on what view of her you take, sources are pretty slim. Most people's view of her is coloured by I, Claudius. Does seem very clear she wanted to rule as a sort of co-Emperor, as Nero did with his mother to all intents and purposes for a while.

    Apparently as long as you weren't a member of the Roman elite, life under Tiberius wasn't particularly bad. Suppose it's much like life in any country run by a strongman, as long as you don't personally cross them or their favourites, life's quite bearable.
    For in spite of all temptations. To belong to other nations. He remains an Englishman.
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