If DoW are gonna happen, they must introduce Officers and Banners

WaaaghCheif#7753

Cry 'Havoc!', and let slip the dogs of war

We've had this discussion for the DoW/TEB/Southeren Realms a thousand times, we look at it a thousand ways, it's own race,it it being a mechanic or Rogue Armies made playable, I'm not hear to discuss. So regardless on how or even if CA chooses to make the Dogs of War joining the fray on the Mortal Empires, one thing remains they, in my mind, should not leave out. Which they sadly have left out for every faction made so far. BANNERS, OFFICERS and MUSICIANS

Raise the Banners!

I will give CA the benefit of the doubt that, B/O/M is either not a priority, not in the budget, or they will add them later on. Since we are so far in the development I fear we may never see them, as they are not in the "Faction Creation Pipeline" but hey might as well give it a shot.

But when It comes to DoW, they should do it, because it is of essence to the DoW regiments. It makes the player feel more attached to a unit. For example: the same banners should fly for Pirazzo Lost Legion regardless of which DoW or hired faction that controls it.

Listed below are the majority of companies that uses banners (not standard, even though I want it those too.

Al Muktar

Braganza's Besiegers

The Alcatani Fellowship

Leopolds Leopard Company

Marksmen of Miragliano

Pirazzo's Lost Legion

Long Drong Slayer Pirates

Mengil Manhide's Manflayers

Richter Krueger Cursed Company

No Problem Here, Officer

Having Dogs of War in the game? But excluding the Officers of the regiments? That would be criminal!

Captain Luka Bragnaza from Braganza's Besiegers

Long Drong from Long Drong Slayer Pirates

Captain Voland from Voland Venators

Pizarro from Pizarro Lost Legion

Al Muktar from Al Muktar's Desert Dogs

Cry Havoc(...)

Another small, extra detail CA can add, but I'm not expecting is DoWs battlecries. Some could work as a simple attack order voiceline, but what I'm focusing on here is the "BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD" battlecries from Marauders/Chaos Warriors as they charge the enemy. Or how the Dark Elves unit scream "NAGGAROTHI" when charging the enemy. Some Dog of Wars regiments have some unique battlecries which could add a fun flavor to the unit. Examples are listed down below.

Voland Venators

Long Drong Slayer Pirates

Beorg Bearstruck

Ricco's Republican Guard

Conclusion

CA PLEASE, for the love of Sigmar, reconsider your stance on implementing Standard/Banners (and Officers, at least for DoW) It adds so much flavor, relation and immersive feel to the battlefields. It might seem to be such small thing, but banners actually gives you the commander/army captivating feeling. They don't need exactly need to do anything gameplay wise, just have it as a cosmetic.

It might be a pipe dream but, I would love it in, if we got it one day...

Michael4537

Marco Columbo?

WaaaghCheif#7753

Michael4537 said:

Marco Columbo?

Been dead for a thousand years.

Canuovea#6291

I wouldn't say they *need* to. Could be nice though.

I mean, remember why we get so few Legendary Heroes? Because if they put effort into something cool then they should get the maximum out of it. So Hero level characters become Legendary Lords. I think this makes plenty of sense. So if they were to make special models for these officers, then I'd rather they be heroes!

That being said, I also expect that what we've got from the DoW roster is more likely to be RoR and that is it. Could be cool if we were to get a special hero with a RoR, but I doubt it.

I do think we could expect special RoR voice lines though! That would be super cool.

Ol_Nessie#9894

I had a thought in another thread about the captains; If DoW were to have a "Merc Captain" hero, perhaps you could unlock the unique RoR captains in the DoW research tree much like how TKs unlock unique lords. It's a thought.

Surge_2#1464

I reeeeeeeeeeally miss some of these models.

Ol_Nessie#9894

Also, if they release as a campaign pack and it's not titled "Let Slip the Dogs of War," I'll throw a hissy fit.

VoxofWar

Even without DoW - and I want them badly - banners and flags and standards should be introduced.

Its such a little thing, easy to throw under the bus for more “important“ things...but it adds so much immersion.

Armies with standards marching towards your fortified hilltop, your flags waving proudly ... it just would look so much better..

Medieval 2 has a lot of mods like that, and it just looks gorgrous

Chukchata

"Liberty! Equity! Liquidity" really should be in the game .

Tayvar

Saying something like that would only lower the chance that CA would add the Dogs of War.

Nyxilis#3646

Canuovea said:

I wouldn't say they *need* to. Could be nice though.

I mean, remember why we get so few Legendary Heroes? Because if they put effort into something cool then they should get the maximum out of it. So Hero level characters become Legendary Lords. I think this makes plenty of sense. So if they were to make special models for these officers, then I'd rather they be heroes!

That being said, I also expect that what we've got from the DoW roster is more likely to be RoR and that is it. Could be cool if we were to get a special hero with a RoR, but I doubt it.

I do think we could expect special RoR voice lines though! That would be super cool.

One thing though is that works out for most of the rest of the armies but if you're going to get into the Dogs of War they are very much built around a lot of unique heros as much as RoR and their mainline. So one might think that the DoW would be the exception to that rule perhaps. Because there is no way we're going to get enough legendary lords to flesh out the volume of heros that the DoW have.

Canuovea#6291

Nyxilis said:

Canuovea said:

I wouldn't say they *need* to. Could be nice though.

I mean, remember why we get so few Legendary Heroes? Because if they put effort into something cool then they should get the maximum out of it. So Hero level characters become Legendary Lords. I think this makes plenty of sense. So if they were to make special models for these officers, then I'd rather they be heroes!

That being said, I also expect that what we've got from the DoW roster is more likely to be RoR and that is it. Could be cool if we were to get a special hero with a RoR, but I doubt it.

I do think we could expect special RoR voice lines though! That would be super cool.

One thing though is that works out for most of the rest of the armies but if you're going to get into the Dogs of War they are very much built around a lot of unique heros as much as RoR and their mainline. So one might think that the DoW would be the exception to that rule perhaps. Because there is no way we're going to get enough legendary lords to flesh out the volume of heros that the DoW have.

A good point, but the Dogs of War are unlikely to be the faction on their own, I think. I figure that these special units will simply be regiment of renown versions of Southern Realms units. It would certainly be nice to have more done for them, but I stand by my point that it is not needed per se.

Ol_Nessie#9894

Canuovea said:

Nyxilis said:

Canuovea said:

I wouldn't say they *need* to. Could be nice though.

I mean, remember why we get so few Legendary Heroes? Because if they put effort into something cool then they should get the maximum out of it. So Hero level characters become Legendary Lords. I think this makes plenty of sense. So if they were to make special models for these officers, then I'd rather they be heroes!

That being said, I also expect that what we've got from the DoW roster is more likely to be RoR and that is it. Could be cool if we were to get a special hero with a RoR, but I doubt it.

I do think we could expect special RoR voice lines though! That would be super cool.

One thing though is that works out for most of the rest of the armies but if you're going to get into the Dogs of War they are very much built around a lot of unique heros as much as RoR and their mainline. So one might think that the DoW would be the exception to that rule perhaps. Because there is no way we're going to get enough legendary lords to flesh out the volume of heros that the DoW have.

A good point, but the Dogs of War are unlikely to be the faction on their own, I think. I figure that these special units will simply be regiment of renown versions of Southern Realms units. It would certainly be nice to have more done for them, but I stand by my point that it is not needed per se.

Oh no, I'm about to argue with a moderator! I think RoR are much more important for the DoW than they are for any other race. So much of their character and aesthetic is tied to them. For most races, RoRs are a nice ancillary benefit but I'd argue that for DoW they should be a key tent pole feature with associated mechanics built around them. After all, there's not a lot CA can do in the way of big centerpiece units (I hope), they're going to have to invest in other areas of a potential DLC.

Canuovea#6291

ben8vtedu said:

Canuovea said:

Nyxilis said:

Canuovea said:

I wouldn't say they *need* to. Could be nice though.

I mean, remember why we get so few Legendary Heroes? Because if they put effort into something cool then they should get the maximum out of it. So Hero level characters become Legendary Lords. I think this makes plenty of sense. So if they were to make special models for these officers, then I'd rather they be heroes!

That being said, I also expect that what we've got from the DoW roster is more likely to be RoR and that is it. Could be cool if we were to get a special hero with a RoR, but I doubt it.

I do think we could expect special RoR voice lines though! That would be super cool.

One thing though is that works out for most of the rest of the armies but if you're going to get into the Dogs of War they are very much built around a lot of unique heros as much as RoR and their mainline. So one might think that the DoW would be the exception to that rule perhaps. Because there is no way we're going to get enough legendary lords to flesh out the volume of heros that the DoW have.

A good point, but the Dogs of War are unlikely to be the faction on their own, I think. I figure that these special units will simply be regiment of renown versions of Southern Realms units. It would certainly be nice to have more done for them, but I stand by my point that it is not needed per se.

Oh no, I'm about to argue with a moderator! I think RoR are much more important for the DoW than they are for any other race. So much of their character and aesthetic is tied to them. For most races, RoRs are a nice ancillary benefit but I'd argue that for DoW they should be a key tent pole feature with associated mechanics built around them. After all, there's not a lot CA can do in the way of big centerpiece units (I hope), they're going to have to invest in other areas of a potential DLC.

You can 100% argue with me about the topic in the thread, feel free to do so!

Just don't break the forum's terms and conditions.

Though you're right that Southern Realms RoR, or Dogs of War or what have you, have a lot more flavour about them than most other RoR.

KronusX

ben8vtedu said:

Also, if they release as a campaign pack and it's not titled "Let Slip the Dogs of War," I'll throw a hissy fit.

I shall to disagree with you Madam, but I believe ''Unleash the Dogs of War'' has a better tune

Ol_Nessie#9894

KronusX said:

ben8vtedu said:

Also, if they release as a campaign pack and it's not titled "Let Slip the Dogs of War," I'll throw a hissy fit.

I shall to disagree with you Madam, but I believe ''Unleash the Dogs of War'' has a better tune

I'm no madam, but ok. "Let slip the Dogs of War" resonates better as it's a famous and iconic line from Julius Caesar. In fact, I'd put good money on the idea that it's the line that inspired the "Dogs of War" name in the first place. I get what you're saying with "Unleash...", alluding to the fact that they're dogs on leashes, but it just wouldn't have the same resonance as "Let slip..."

KronusX

ben8vtedu said:

KronusX said:

ben8vtedu said:

Also, if they release as a campaign pack and it's not titled "Let Slip the Dogs of War," I'll throw a hissy fit.

I shall to disagree with you Madam, but I believe ''Unleash the Dogs of War'' has a better tune

I'm no madam, but ok. "Let slip the Dogs of War" resonates better as it's a famous and iconic line from Julius Caesar. In fact, I'd put good money on the idea that it's the line that inspired the "Dogs of War" name in the first place. I get what you're saying with "Unleash...", alluding to the fact that they're dogs on leashes, but it just wouldn't have the same resonance as "Let slip..."

My apologies, I thought you were a ''She''. In this case Sir.


True, although personally speaking I still think Unleash would work better, but then again that is subjective. In this case, I am hoping at least that we get Lorenzo, his model is too badass and it would be nice to get the Roman looking LL lead the dogs of war cohorts.

Ol_Nessie#9894

KronusX said:

ben8vtedu said:

KronusX said:

ben8vtedu said:

Also, if they release as a campaign pack and it's not titled "Let Slip the Dogs of War," I'll throw a hissy fit.

I shall to disagree with you Madam, but I believe ''Unleash the Dogs of War'' has a better tune

I'm no madam, but ok. "Let slip the Dogs of War" resonates better as it's a famous and iconic line from Julius Caesar. In fact, I'd put good money on the idea that it's the line that inspired the "Dogs of War" name in the first place. I get what you're saying with "Unleash...", alluding to the fact that they're dogs on leashes, but it just wouldn't have the same resonance as "Let slip..."

My apologies, I thought you were a ''She''. In this case Sir.

My first name is literally in my forum handle.

Nyxilis#3646

Canuovea said:

Nyxilis said:

Canuovea said:

I wouldn't say they *need* to. Could be nice though.

I mean, remember why we get so few Legendary Heroes? Because if they put effort into something cool then they should get the maximum out of it. So Hero level characters become Legendary Lords. I think this makes plenty of sense. So if they were to make special models for these officers, then I'd rather they be heroes!

That being said, I also expect that what we've got from the DoW roster is more likely to be RoR and that is it. Could be cool if we were to get a special hero with a RoR, but I doubt it.

I do think we could expect special RoR voice lines though! That would be super cool.

One thing though is that works out for most of the rest of the armies but if you're going to get into the Dogs of War they are very much built around a lot of unique heros as much as RoR and their mainline. So one might think that the DoW would be the exception to that rule perhaps. Because there is no way we're going to get enough legendary lords to flesh out the volume of heros that the DoW have.

A good point, but the Dogs of War are unlikely to be the faction on their own, I think. I figure that these special units will simply be regiment of renown versions of Southern Realms units. It would certainly be nice to have more done for them, but I stand by my point that it is not needed per se.

Oh I don't at all disagree they wont be stand alone and I believe CA for the sames reasons as GW will not give them to any other army in the game. Even in the Dogs of War books it basically calls the Tilean city states home. I think most of the big Dog of War personalities agree here that Tilea or "Southern Realms". So factions are going to be this city state, that city state, or that army sent to explore Lustria on behalf of Tilea. Core troops will be the Tilean pikemen and what not.

But ultimately DoW/Southern Realm armies alike are built around exotic. Filled with all kinds of infantry and then the RoR. To put it in some perspective the RoR in the DoW is over half the book, and the overwhelming majority of time they add units into the DoW through White Dwarfs and other material they added RoR or heros. Which is one reason I really wish DoW had gotten at least one more version there are all sorts of hints of ones about to come it would have been neat.