Shouldn't they rain holocaust upon foes? And why aren't they damaging enemy units with their very fiery presence? is their use only limited to defecating on blobs?
I never use them late game. Such iconic creature that has inspired High Elves' king title and the most elite troops, it is nothing more than a gimmick of Tyrion's early game.
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5 · 5LikeMaking them as awesome as they ought to be might be a bit OP, I guess...?
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0 · LikeAnd I agree with Mogwai, the very fact that dragons exist in the roster means that they are overshadowed. But from the loreful example they're not as powerful as you're saying. Warhammer Phoenix are strong certainly, but not dragon city wall smashing levels.
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0 · LikePhoenices must burn!
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0 · LikeAnd the frost ones had the aura because they were incredibly ancient phoenix stronger in ways than their fiery versions even if technically knocking on death's door.
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0 · LikeThey can get hot to rein embers down, but it's still not draconic breath levels of death.
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Also what is your point exactly? You want to keep this counter intuitive lack of fire and unit as nigh useless because BECAUSE?
It would be perfectly normal, not silly at all. All foes sorrounding the phoenix should suffer damage. And no, it is not covered at all as their bodies are on fire, all of it is emiting heat.
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0 · Like"Magical fire that can ignore friendlies? One of the most common tropes in fantasy. Hell, the whole thing with Phoenix King and not getting burned is built around it. Their riders are Phoenix Guard, Asuryan's best buddies. "
That trope doesn't exist in Warhammer as magic can and will friendly fire. Their only change in heat is when they explode from rage or death.
Those Phoenix guard are Antioned of Asuryan not normal soldiers and are more god blessed.
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0 · LikeIt does exist as you have said Anointed are blessed. Phoenices flames belongs to them, i maybe they can decide who will be hurt and who won't. If this is too much of a stretch then make them burn allies too, except for Phoenix Guard. It would require to land them in a position far from your own troops. They produce flames all the time after all. This way stretching is minimised and they can be better than they are now. Both sides of the argument should be happy and with full bellies. Om nom nom nom.
CA can expand and even change lore bits. After all Malekith after capturing Temple of Asuryan gets Corrupted Flame of Asuryan. Saltspite is using vampires and Direfin, well, she just is. And so is her lore.
Again,w hat I'm asking for is just a simple expansion on phoenix most visual trait, its flame.
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0 · Likefrom a thread about Khazrak not deserving 100 armour based on appearance.
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0 · LikeThe only thing truly wrong with Phoenixes is that the Dragon mounts of the HE were turned into units rendering them worse off also forgot if their rule about the wings of magic was implemented for campaign.
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0 · LikeThough I do like that they are stronger or weaker depending on the Winds of Magic.
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0 · LikeThink of it as inbetween the function of a dragon, and a great eagle. Great eagles are super fast, and actually work much better than dragons for intercepting fast things, or running down long range units. Flamespyres can do the same thing, but kick almost as much ass as a dragon when they do it.
If you've got four reaver archers in the trees though, you wont really need one.
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0 · LikeI love dragons but I love phoenices too. I don't think I would want to part with my scutes bearing, long muzzled dogs.
They won't take them away so either we find a way to make fire birds more interesting or condemn them to a role of a glorified eagles pooping on the battlefield.
To be honest I'm surprised to see such strong opposition to the idea. Especially after people were trying to outrace each other in the run for the most moderate and understanding CA fan 'Aranessa and vampires, demi-goddess, so cool, it fits' 'Haha what a fantastic inclusion this Direfin is!'.
I just would like to see them better in the campaign. More epic.
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0 · LikeI don't know if that is the answer to making Phoenix's worth using, but that they aren't really right now is hard to deny.
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0 · LikeThough to be serious it's more that the Frostheart lost the Wake of Fire and Rebirth for better stats and a debuff aura due to them being older and also different units.
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