Lizardmen vs Skaven LP - my ideal Lord Pack *ver. 2019*

Gotrek_Beastslayer

* My new ideal Skaven vs Lizardmen Lord Pack *

Eliak_The_Rat_Merc

No PW mortars? And end Times Stormfiends? No Doom-flayer? No undercity mechanic?

Boombastek

Only 2 LL? Where is FLC LM lord with special FLC unit.

Giant rats? Meh no. Skink oracle as lord? Flying frog more than enough. Woot Troglodon? The thing when caster hero is stronger than caster lord cos one had troglodon and hero had Ancient stegadon.

Bro are you sure you want this?

I do hope CA will made something better than your option.

JhoDevilo

Awesome. This is something i would buy instantly.

SteelRonin#4832

I see end of times units, I am sure that won't happen.

Btw, I would like to see skaven weapon team to climb walls....warlocks are useless right now, and Jezzails and ratlings won't be much different unless they can climb walls..

davedave1124#4773

Stormfiend? I think we should avoid End Times to the point it didn't happen.

Bies#4376

maybe also Coatl - lizardmen dragon

Djau#5149

Stormfiends should still be within the range for units to be added. Its a popular unit and helps skaven late game out.

Boombastek said:

Only 2 LL? Where is FLC LM lord with special FLC unit.

Giant rats? Meh no. Skink oracle as lord? Flying frog more than enough. Woot Troglodon? The thing when caster hero is stronger than caster lord cos one had troglodon and hero had Ancient stegadon.

Bro are you sure you want this?

I do hope CA will made something better than your option.

What exactly are you expecting for the lord pack?

Mr_Finley7#4571

**** storm fiends, those goofy af action figure looking pieces of **** are a shining example of everything that made the end times suck. There are so many better options for Skaven: brood horror and basically any options from the WD moulder list, doom flayer, poison wind mortar etc.

**** storm fiends.

Goatforce#6625

I would prefer Doomflayers or Mortar to Stormfiends, and (I know this might be heresy) Engine of the Gods to Dread Saurian. I would prefer getting the full roster before any FW units get added. Otherwise I like it.

Timpeyo#7210

Looks good personally I'd want Throt the unclean tho, but I think from the hint somthing cold blooded and somthing explosive its most Def ikit claw who's most known for his doomsday device that explode. Tehenhauin is prob most likely for lizzes but Oxyotl is one I'd like as an added special hero choice him and Snikch as a hero rivalry

Combat_Wombat

Oi! Where are the red cresty Skinkies?

Kandenn#7078

Remove stormfiends and verminking, add doomflayers and mortars.
Gor-rok has to be FLC

Ludbone#5956

It's a very good DLC. Something worth to be purchased.

I don't know why people thinks End Times stuff will never be touched. . . we have several hints about future End Times characters and situations.

And if you don't know End Times units ARE NOT AoS units, so everything is fine.

mightygloin#2446

Stormfiend was an end times units right? At least it could be a nice RoR, just like that flamey necrofex. Let's call it an early prototype

GodWillTell

*press "buy" button*

tyrannus#8787

I want new mounts for generic rattie lords, like giant rat and brood horror. Also giant rat swarms might be not very impressive and flashy, but they'd bring great utility. They'd be basically the skaven version of warhounds, so YES please. Also i want dreadquake mortar instead of lame ass stormfiends.

Pocman#6295

I see units that were not in the 8th (or previous) editions army books. Units that are from the (gasps!) End of Times.

The End of Times never happened. mentioning it is HERESY. Yeah, you heard that well: HERESY. We could have been gentle with you mentioning those non existant rat looking beastmen. But the End of Times? No way: that's a grudg... burning.

Call the witch hunters, we require some CLEANSING here.




P.d: assuming that CA will keep their word regarding the number of units.

- Ikit Claw + vermin lord + jezzails + giant rats + ratling gun + death wind mortars for the Skavens.

- Totenham (engine of the gods as mount option) + Gor'Rok (FLC) for LMs, with the dead toad added as a Itza only mechanic.

Skink Oracle with Troglodon as a generic lord, razordon, salamander and ripperdactyls as troops. Red crested skinks to fill some gaps.

Dread saurian is un-doable.

Harkovast#1792

No Throt the Unclean?

Goatforce#6625

Kandenn said:

Remove stormfiends and verminking, add doomflayers and mortars.
Gor-rok has to be FLC

Wait, remove Verminlord? Is that what you meant? Why would you remove the Lord choice for Skaven and replace it with a normal unit? Especially a colossal Daemonic rat?!?!

But yes, I think Gor Roc fits the FLC bill far more than DLC.

GodWillTell

Combat_Wombat said:

Oi! Where are the red cresty Skinkies?

Exactly where they should be. In the RoR section.

Gerardofthetitan

More units? Check.

Better than Q&C? Check.

Not cheap only units? Check.

I hope CA will take your list into consideration, Gotrek.

Tears_After_Hate

This is exactly what i'm looking at for this DLC. Many units and not just 4 cheaper choices like happened with Queen and Crone.

Maedrethnir#1968

Stormfiend and Dread Saurian? Those two alone would secure my purchase. End Times and Forgeworld are like father and mother of great models.

Ninjipples#4797

Tbh I don't understand why so many people want the skink oracle as a lord choice.

The TT Skink Oracle was not a lord, he wasn't even a hero, all a Skink Oracle was was a generic skink that happens to be the name given to any skink capable of riding a Trogladon (the Troglodon itself being the weakest of all the LM monsters). The Skink Oracle had the same stats as a generic skink and the only special abilities it had came from a magic stick it had that let LM wizards use him as the point of origin for spells. Thats it!

All that aside. My preferred outcome is this:

LIZARDMEN
LL: Tehenhauen (unique mechanics and red crested skinks as unique unit)
Generic Lord: Skink Lord (melee preferably)
Units: Razordon, Salamander, Ripperdactyls, Troglodon (only if we get 4 units)
FLC LL: Tetto'eko (unique mechanics)

SKAVEN
LL: Ikit Claw (unique mechanics)
Generic Lord: Master Moulder (or make the Verminlord a high level skill summon for Grey Seers)
Units: Jezzails, Ratling Guns, Wolf Rats, Doom Flayers (only if we get 4 units)

Tears_After_Hate

Yharshaarj said:

Stormfiend and Dread Saurian? Those two alone would secure my purchase. End Times and Forgeworld are like father and mother of great models.

I like it.

Nyxilis#3646

Would kinda rather have Thrott over Skreech.

Ol_Nessie#9894

Goatforce said:

Kandenn said:

Remove stormfiends and verminking, add doomflayers and mortars.
Gor-rok has to be FLC

Wait, remove Verminlord? Is that what you meant? Why would you remove the Lord choice for Skaven and replace it with a normal unit? Especially a colossal Daemonic rat?!?!

But yes, I think Gor Roc fits the FLC bill far more than DLC.

No, he meant Skreech Verminking as LL, not the Verminlord as a new Lord choice.

Regarding the OP, i's totally fine to want all this in a lord pack but honestly I think it's expecting too much. Past LPs aren't exactly the cornucopia of content displayed here. For the LM section, I ain't holding my breath for the Dread Saurian (nor would I) since CA will probably have their hands full just with the Salamander, Razordon, and Ripperdactyls. Maybe if the only other unit was Red Crested Skinks we might see it, but then the LP would be so disappointing that I'd probably lose all faith in the game.

For Skaven, Giant/Wolf Rats, Jezzail, and Ratling Gun seem fairly comparable to previous packs and I wouldn't expect more beyond that, especially if we do get the Verminlord in the LP as well. I'm fairly certain CA has stated before that ET content is outside the scope of this project. A few offhand references do not mean we're getting actual content from the ET range. Besides, I'm sure CA is aware of the poor reputation of the ET in the eyes of fans that they probably wouldn't want to risk any significant move in that direction.

ScreamimgEnvy

Get out of my dreams and come in my game!

Beast_of_Guanyin#8747

I'd remove stormfiends - they're a bad unit - and replace them with poison wind mortars or Doom Flayers. I'd also remove the Dread Saurian - another bad unit- with the Engine of The Gods or y'know any other unit. I'd also add Red Crested Skinks to LM for a total of 5, they're easy to do so they're a no brainer addition.

Gor-Rok is also quite boring, the Vanilla Lizard has a good look but simply isn't good enough for a DLC LL. The Skink is the only good LM LL choice for this pack.

I'll also point out that yeah, this level of content is a bit unrealistic, but we can always hope. My own list was rather similar.

Gerardofthetitan

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