Warhammer 3 legendary lords overview: Tzar Boris Bokha

Bies#4376

"My father was fond of saying that he would never trust a man who was afraid to lose his temper. As a result, his boyarin were an insufferable band of brutes, always brawling, always arguing and always fighting. But they were loyal, honest and true, and never did a greater band of warriors ever fight shoulder to shoulder. That saying stood my father in good stead, so I see no reason not to trust it also, ambassador."

—Tzarina Katarin to Ambassador Kaspar von Velten.

Fossoway

I wonder if they are going to add him. Imho Tzarina Katarin is more iconic and more unique, and let's be real guys, we want bear cavalry, but it does not have to be Boris himself (heroes, units or a newly made LL could all ride bears).

Maybe give us a choice between Boris or Katarin? Like pick one at the start and the other stays unavailable for the rest of the campaign?

#21546

Fossoway said:

I wonder if they are going to add him. Imho Tzarina Katarin is more iconic and more unique, and let's be real guys, we want bear cavalry, but it does not have to be Boris himself (heroes, units or a newly made LL could all ride bears).

Maybe give us a choice between Boris or Katarin? Like pick one at the start and the other stays unavailable for the rest of the campaign?

If they are added there is at least 2 LL, looking how CA tends to do it lately it could even be 4

Timpeyo#7210

Boris would be fun but I'm afraid his a character that died out long ago tho maybe they can bring him back, if not Tzarina Katarin is s Def tho

A few LLs I liked the sound of for kislev are Baba yaga, Bianca Ostovich, Ilja of Murova, Nyvena and Ulrika from the gotrek and Felix novels

https://warhammerfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Category:Kislev_Characters

They all sounds pretty interesting and unique to me

Tennisgolfboll#5877

Yeah he is going to be awesome!

And he is alive when the game starts (Karl Franz coronation)

HeresyHound

Timpeyo said:

Boris would be fun but I'm afraid his a character that died out long ago tho maybe they can bring him back, if not Tzarina Katarin is s Def tho

A few LLs I liked the sound of for kislev are Baba yaga, Bianca Ostovich, Ilja of Murova, Nyvena and Ulrika from the gotrek and Felix novels

https://warhammerfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Category:Kislev_Characters

They all sounds pretty interesting and unique to me

I really hate the whole Baba yaga thing. Like I am totally fine with a named hag character based on the mythical character but just having straight up copy and paste is.... eh. It would be like if Bretonnia had King Arthur and Morgan le Fay. Or if they added Ali Baba as a Araby lord.

Fossoway

Kranox said:

Fossoway said:

I wonder if they are going to add him. Imho Tzarina Katarin is more iconic and more unique, and let's be real guys, we want bear cavalry, but it does not have to be Boris himself (heroes, units or a newly made LL could all ride bears).

Maybe give us a choice between Boris or Katarin? Like pick one at the start and the other stays unavailable for the rest of the campaign?

If they are added there is at least 2 LL, looking how CA tends to do it lately it could even be 4

The problem is that we can't have both Boris or Katarin at the same time, unless Katarin is not Tzarina, which would be ridiculous. We can't have those 2 rulers at the same time, especially if one the successor to the former.

Timpeyo#7210

FungusHound said:

Timpeyo said:

Boris would be fun but I'm afraid his a character that died out long ago tho maybe they can bring him back, if not Tzarina Katarin is s Def tho

A few LLs I liked the sound of for kislev are Baba yaga, Bianca Ostovich, Ilja of Murova, Nyvena and Ulrika from the gotrek and Felix novels

https://warhammerfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Category:Kislev_Characters

They all sounds pretty interesting and unique to me

I really hate the whole Baba yaga thing. Like I am totally fine with a named hag character based on the mythical character but just having straight up copy and paste is.... eh. It would be like if Bretonnia had King Arthur and Morgan le Fay. Or if they added Ali Baba as a Araby lord.

Oh I thought Boris was dead that's cool then Def a lord I want to see then, him and his bear.

I think it's more having a witch/hag darker character magic user, I quite like Baba yaga tho and I'm sure they would give there own spin on her without being a direct copy off her in the myths. Make her fit the Warhammer theme better

Arthas_Menethil#3421

Fossoway said:

Kranox said:

Fossoway said:

I wonder if they are going to add him. Imho Tzarina Katarin is more iconic and more unique, and let's be real guys, we want bear cavalry, but it does not have to be Boris himself (heroes, units or a newly made LL could all ride bears).

Maybe give us a choice between Boris or Katarin? Like pick one at the start and the other stays unavailable for the rest of the campaign?

If they are added there is at least 2 LL, looking how CA tends to do it lately it could even be 4

The problem is that we can't have both Boris or Katarin at the same time, unless Katarin is not Tzarina, which would be ridiculous. We can't have those 2 rulers at the same time, especially if one the successor to the former.

I think Katarin is the Tzarina ingame
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfoN-N3tcp8
0:36

natethegreat1112

Timpeyo said:

Boris would be fun but I'm afraid his a character that died out long ago tho maybe they can bring him back, if not Tzarina Katarin is s Def tho

A few LLs I liked the sound of for kislev are Baba yaga, Bianca Ostovich, Ilja of Murova, Nyvena and Ulrika from the gotrek and Felix novels

https://warhammerfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Category:Kislev_Characters

They all sounds pretty interesting and unique to me

The game starts during Karl Franz coronation the year 2502, Tsar Boris was still alive as he died in 2517. However it really does not matter as he will definitely be added with the Ice Queen as they are short on named characters. I dont think anyone would mind if they change the lore slightly to have him in.

Darthmahel

I could see both him and Katarin being added. Borris could be in the Dark Lands and is cut off and presumed dead. Thus Katarin is promoted to Tsarina as her father (unbeknownst to her) fights a great war over East to defend his land. Plot wise I feel like it could work. Wouldn't be the most insane thing. I mean we have Vlad and Isabella alive without any context as to how :P

zanefsu#8585

Arthasmenethril said:

Fossoway said:

Kranox said:

Fossoway said:

I wonder if they are going to add him. Imho Tzarina Katarin is more iconic and more unique, and let's be real guys, we want bear cavalry, but it does not have to be Boris himself (heroes, units or a newly made LL could all ride bears).

Maybe give us a choice between Boris or Katarin? Like pick one at the start and the other stays unavailable for the rest of the campaign?

If they are added there is at least 2 LL, looking how CA tends to do it lately it could even be 4

The problem is that we can't have both Boris or Katarin at the same time, unless Katarin is not Tzarina, which would be ridiculous. We can't have those 2 rulers at the same time, especially if one the successor to the former.

I think Katarin is the Tzarina ingame
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfoN-N3tcp8
0:36

Good find. I still think CA finds a way to fit Boris into the game, as he is so iconic to Kislev. My guess is that he is made the leader of the faction “Cult of Ursen,” and given a different starting point that Katarin, who will start in Kislev. Interesting to note, that Urskin (Boris’s bear) should be in the game even if Boris is not, as he did not die when Boris did, and continues to fight Chaos. Again, I think both will be in, because why not? Not like death means anything in Warhammer.

Okknight

I know it would rile the faithful, but as CA loves the melee & caster LL rule for factions Boris makes since. He could still be Tzar as the game starts with Franz's coronation Boris is still on the Throne. Katarin could be the head of the Ice Witch Coven.

I think I actually prefer Darthmahel's idea of Katarin as Tzar in Kislev with some excuse given to put Boris out in the world by himself. Maybe he chased a raiding Chaos party too far north and wound up in Nagarythe, or traveled East to the the Kislevites original homeland on a spiritual journey and he can square off with Chaos Dwarves and Ogres.

Draculasaurus

FungusHound said:

Timpeyo said:

Boris would be fun but I'm afraid his a character that died out long ago tho maybe they can bring him back, if not Tzarina Katarin is s Def tho

A few LLs I liked the sound of for kislev are Baba yaga, Bianca Ostovich, Ilja of Murova, Nyvena and Ulrika from the gotrek and Felix novels

https://warhammerfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Category:Kislev_Characters

They all sounds pretty interesting and unique to me

I really hate the whole Baba yaga thing. Like I am totally fine with a named hag character based on the mythical character but just having straight up copy and paste is.... eh. It would be like if Bretonnia had King Arthur and Morgan le Fay. Or if they added Ali Baba as a Araby lord.

I feel it wouldn't be that hard to modify Baba Yaga from the RPG to be a bit more unique. There's already a mysterious "spirit of the land" in the Kislev religion called The Ancient Widow. Just have a Baba Yaga esque character called that, and make her very enigmatic, with nobody sure if she's just some witch or the true spirit of the land, a bit like the mystery surrounding Grombrindal.

And, unrelated to Baba Yaga, if we really need a bear riding LL I'd probably suggest just giving it to Ilja of Murova rather than implementing Boris.

HeresyHound

Draculasaurus said:

FungusHound said:

Timpeyo said:

Boris would be fun but I'm afraid his a character that died out long ago tho maybe they can bring him back, if not Tzarina Katarin is s Def tho

A few LLs I liked the sound of for kislev are Baba yaga, Bianca Ostovich, Ilja of Murova, Nyvena and Ulrika from the gotrek and Felix novels

https://warhammerfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Category:Kislev_Characters

They all sounds pretty interesting and unique to me

I really hate the whole Baba yaga thing. Like I am totally fine with a named hag character based on the mythical character but just having straight up copy and paste is.... eh. It would be like if Bretonnia had King Arthur and Morgan le Fay. Or if they added Ali Baba as a Araby lord.

I feel it wouldn't be that hard to modify Baba Yaga from the RPG to be a bit more unique. There's already a mysterious "spirit of the land" in the Kislev religion called The Ancient Widow. Just have a Baba Yaga esque character called that, and make her very enigmatic, with nobody sure if she's just some witch or the true spirit of the land, a bit like the mystery surrounding Grombrindal.

And, unrelated to Baba Yaga, if we really need a bear riding LL I'd probably suggest just giving it to Ilja of Murova rather than implementing Boris.

See I like that. I just hate it when you have a fantasy setting and for the most part they came up with their own names and versions of mythical characters but then they just plop Baba Yaga or Sun Wukong randomly into the thematically appropriate region without anything unique.

Too bad we don't have Koschei knockoff in Kislev as well.

Crossil#2134

FungusHound said:

Draculasaurus said:

FungusHound said:

Timpeyo said:

Boris would be fun but I'm afraid his a character that died out long ago tho maybe they can bring him back, if not Tzarina Katarin is s Def tho

A few LLs I liked the sound of for kislev are Baba yaga, Bianca Ostovich, Ilja of Murova, Nyvena and Ulrika from the gotrek and Felix novels

https://warhammerfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Category:Kislev_Characters

They all sounds pretty interesting and unique to me

I really hate the whole Baba yaga thing. Like I am totally fine with a named hag character based on the mythical character but just having straight up copy and paste is.... eh. It would be like if Bretonnia had King Arthur and Morgan le Fay. Or if they added Ali Baba as a Araby lord.

I feel it wouldn't be that hard to modify Baba Yaga from the RPG to be a bit more unique. There's already a mysterious "spirit of the land" in the Kislev religion called The Ancient Widow. Just have a Baba Yaga esque character called that, and make her very enigmatic, with nobody sure if she's just some witch or the true spirit of the land, a bit like the mystery surrounding Grombrindal.

And, unrelated to Baba Yaga, if we really need a bear riding LL I'd probably suggest just giving it to Ilja of Murova rather than implementing Boris.

See I like that. I just hate it when you have a fantasy setting and for the most part they came up with their own names and versions of mythical characters but then they just plop Baba Yaga or Sun Wukong randomly into the thematically appropriate region without anything unique.

Too bad we don't have Koschei knockoff in Kislev as well.

There are some other Hags like Baba Yaga that are present. If it seems too obvious they can adapt a different one. Though, honestly Boris is preferable since he's pretty much alive during the time period and there are ways of making Katarin take over without him dying.

Draculasaurus

FungusHound said:

Draculasaurus said:

FungusHound said:

Timpeyo said:

Boris would be fun but I'm afraid his a character that died out long ago tho maybe they can bring him back, if not Tzarina Katarin is s Def tho

A few LLs I liked the sound of for kislev are Baba yaga, Bianca Ostovich, Ilja of Murova, Nyvena and Ulrika from the gotrek and Felix novels

https://warhammerfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Category:Kislev_Characters

They all sounds pretty interesting and unique to me

I really hate the whole Baba yaga thing. Like I am totally fine with a named hag character based on the mythical character but just having straight up copy and paste is.... eh. It would be like if Bretonnia had King Arthur and Morgan le Fay. Or if they added Ali Baba as a Araby lord.

I feel it wouldn't be that hard to modify Baba Yaga from the RPG to be a bit more unique. There's already a mysterious "spirit of the land" in the Kislev religion called The Ancient Widow. Just have a Baba Yaga esque character called that, and make her very enigmatic, with nobody sure if she's just some witch or the true spirit of the land, a bit like the mystery surrounding Grombrindal.

And, unrelated to Baba Yaga, if we really need a bear riding LL I'd probably suggest just giving it to Ilja of Murova rather than implementing Boris.

See I like that. I just hate it when you have a fantasy setting and for the most part they came up with their own names and versions of mythical characters but then they just plop Baba Yaga or Sun Wukong randomly into the thematically appropriate region without anything unique.

Too bad we don't have Koschei knockoff in Kislev as well.

Yeah, a Koschei knockoff as a sort of Arkhan the Black figure that everybody else in the faction hates would be a lot of fun.

Personally, I'm still a big partisan of Kislev getting more Slavic mythical stuff to round out its army if it ever makes it into TW, especially "spirits of the land" sort of stuff.

misunderstoodvampire#7653

Boris could abdicate the throne or Katarin could be the leader of the Ice Coven like how Teclis is the leader of the “Lore Masters”

Crossil#2134

misunderstoodvampire said:

Boris could abdicate the throne or Katarin could be the leader of the Ice Coven like how Teclis is the leader of the “Lore Masters”

Either she leads the "Ice Coven" or he leads the "Cult of Ursun" then? I think she's stated to be Tzarina in game and it seems fitting since the Fantasy setting usually depicts Kislev under her rule rather than Boris's so it makes sense for him to serve as leader of Cult of Ursun, no? That way they can use material from the time of her rule.

Rubz2293#7512

I know Warhammer has different standards but wrestling giant bears and wolves pretty much fits the title "Legendary".

Draculasaurus

The more I think about it the more I don't want Boris to be a LL, but I do want Urskin to be a unique RoR. You have the Sons of Ursun as standard bear cavalry, and then Urskin is a RoR unit that's just one giant bear with insane stats and not rider, instead of a unit of multiple bear riders.