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Total War: Lord of the Rings/Game of Thrones

KALY1770KALY1770 Posts: 4Registered Users
edited March 17 in Total War General Chat
I just wanted to get answers from someone. I know that TOTAL WAR: THREE KINGDOMS is coming out and I am really excited about it, I even bought the prepurchase but I just think CA has a pretty big opportunity to draw in players from both the Lord of the rings fan community and the total war fans by working with Wingnut films and creating a total war game dedicated to recreate a setting in Middle-earth.
Or collab with George RR Martin and create a total war game about the seven kingdoms and house stark, house Lannister etc. I just don't understand why they don't would take such an opportunity. Don't lie, if you have watched the HBO series Game Of Thrones or the hobbit and the lord of the rings you have thought to yourself "this would make a great strategy game" And don't talk to me about The third age mod for medieval 2 or the Seven kingdoms mod for Attila because 1. Medieval 2 is an old game, we need a fresh out the oven Lord of the rings total war game. (or an M2TW remake just saying) 2. The seven kingdoms mod got taken down and it didn't have a campaign. I m sure this forum has had thousands and thousands of similar Discussions but that's what it takes for CA and SEGA to realize it. PS: why would they make a game about the Warhammer universe when there are hundreds of more interesting universes ya know.
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  • CommisarCommisar Senior Member Posts: 1,175Registered Users
    Really worth using the search function, countless threads on both these series already.
  • davedave1124davedave1124 Senior Member Posts: 3,209Registered Users
    The reason they picked WH was due to a huge fanbase, enough deep mechanics, diverse cultures etc.

    The reason we may have to wait for the next 2 is the fact that WH has turned into a major cashcow which deserves a lot more milking.

    Also, CA would have to split their profits with both licences.
  • Ephraim_DaltonEphraim_Dalton Senior Member Posts: 18,499Registered Users

    The reason they picked WH was due to a huge fanbase, enough deep mechanics, diverse cultures etc.

    Well, and the fact that Warhammer was primarily designed with gaming in mind and so already had ready-made rosters and mechanics to adapt. For LotR and GoT you'd have to make stuff up gleaned from the few bits and pieces that actually describe the warfare in any detail.

  • davedave1124davedave1124 Senior Member Posts: 3,209Registered Users

    The reason they picked WH was due to a huge fanbase, enough deep mechanics, diverse cultures etc.

    Well, and the fact that Warhammer was primarily designed with gaming in mind and so already had ready-made rosters and mechanics to adapt. For LotR and GoT you'd have to make stuff up gleaned from the few bits and pieces that actually describe the warfare in any detail.
    True and the balance of certain factions. Rohan would be like a ToB faction while all the 'evil' factions would have a collection of monsters, magic users, specialists etc.
  • Steelback1109Steelback1109 Junior Member Posts: 4Registered Users
    Hi there, new to this forum but a long time Total War fan. I think I’ve played them all except Warhammer Total War (that genre wasn’t really my interest). However, seeing that EA games licence for the LOTR universe expired in 2010 I would love to see a full and proper LOTR: Total War. I know so many fans want this so would like to understand why CA haven’t really considered this Genre yet?
    Would welcome any comments about any limitations as to why CA haven’t looked into this? (I suspect it’s to do with the Tolkien Estate copy right)
  • CommisarCommisar Senior Member Posts: 1,175Registered Users

    Hi there, new to this forum but a long time Total War fan. I think I’ve played them all except Warhammer Total War (that genre wasn’t really my interest). However, seeing that EA games licence for the LOTR universe expired in 2010 I would love to see a full and proper LOTR: Total War. I know so many fans want this so would like to understand why CA haven’t really considered this Genre yet?
    Would welcome any comments about any limitations as to why CA haven’t looked into this? (I suspect it’s to do with the Tolkien Estate copy right)

    There's quite a few reasons why they wont. First has always been cost, second is the hugely limited content they can cover and third is the visuals, they'd have to build the world themselves based off vague descriptions in the books as all the current ones are owned by other companies.

    There's also problems now with getting the license as the family are not happy with the artistic license taken with the recent films...which doesn't bode well when you have to make up 95% of the world for it to fit the game.
  • davedave1124davedave1124 Senior Member Posts: 3,209Registered Users
    edited March 14
    Faction balance too:

    The 2 factions of men would be very vanilla compared to the more evil factions who would have factions full of wizards, creatures, monsters (ground and flying). Playing as the factions of men would be similar to a Thrones of Britannia faction.
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  • virginia1861virginia1861 Posts: 19Registered Users
    KALY1770 said:

    I just wanted to get answers from someone. I know that TOTAL WAR: THREE KINGDOMS is coming out and I am really excited about it, I even bought the prepurchase but I just think CA has a pretty big opportunity to draw in players from both the Lord of the rings fan community and the total war fans by working with Wingnut films and creating a total war game dedicated to recreate a setting in Middle-earth.
    Or collab with George RR Martin and create a total war game about the seven kingdoms and house stark, house Lannister etc. I just don't understand why they don't would take such an opportunity. Don't lie, if you have watched the HBO series Game Of Thrones or the hobbit and the lord of the rings you have thought to yourself "this would make a great strategy game" And don't talk to me about The third age mod for medieval 2 or the Seven kingdoms mod for Attila because 1. Medieval 2 is an old game, we need a fresh out the oven Lord of the rings total war game. (or an M2TW remake just saying) 2. The seven kingdoms mod got taken down and it didn't have a campaign. I m sure this forum has had thousands and thousands of similar Discussions but that's what it takes for CA and SEGA to realize it. PS: why would they make a game about the Warhammer universe when there are hundreds of more interesting universes ya know.



    "Christopher Tolkien, son and literary heir of J.R.R. Tolkien, resigned from the Tolkien Estate. And his departure changes everything.....With Christopher’s departure as an officer of the Tolkien Estate (which was incorporated in 2011), the long-awaited “rights frenzy” for Tolkien properties may soon begin,”
    http://www.theonering.net/torwp/2017...olkien-estate/


    Christopher Tolkien has retired and the rights of the Tolkien estate are up for grabs. Perfect time for CA to make a Lord of the Rings total war. Or, to work with Warner Bros to make a LOTR total war. They have worked together before.

    SEGA PARTNERS WITH WARNER BROS.
    https://www.warnerbros.com/studio/news/sega-partners-warner-bros-interactive-entertainment-co-publish-“-matrix-online”


    Why Lord of the Rings Total war?

    Tolkien carries the largest fantasy fan base of all time only expanded by the movies that could be brought into the total war series. A match made in haven. As someone who has not played a total war game since empire, this would get me back into total war. Lord of the Rings is the best selling fantasy book of all time. The Hobbit is the third best fantasy seller. Besides the Bible, LOTR is the third best selling book of all time, the Hobbit is 8th on the all time list.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...-selling_books
    Best-Selling Books of All-Time: Top Selling Books by Ranking

    The world created by Tolkien would fit perfect for the next fantasy total war game. Lord of the Rings provides what Total war needs.

    - Large fan base already present
    - Multiple diverse factions with both challenges and bonuses for each
    - Hugh map of Middle Earth with diverse terrain and battle maps
    - Large numbers of diverse units and forces for epic battles
    - Large castles for epic siege battles
    - Hero's of legend with special abilities
    -Agents, spies, assassins, diplomats etc
    - Battle over land, sea and air
    - Economy and trade
    -Exspansions and DLC could be done on the first and second ages

    It is not surprising that the most awarded, most downloaded , mod ever made for a total war game is the third age mod.
    http://www.twcenter.net/forums/forum...-Age-Total-War

    It shows the poetical for what a CA done Lord of the Rings total war would be, it would simply be the "One game to rule them all"

    However there is an irrefutable reason CA needs to make middle earth total war. Tolkien was from England, CA is based in England. Tolkien made LOTR so England could have its own fantasy [like the Norse epics]. Therefore , out of sheer duty and patriotism, CA must know make the video game for England. Or else CA have no right to be called Brits.

    contact Games Workshop let them know you want the game to happen.
    Contact Us | Games Workshop Webstore

    and CA

    Get in Contact | Creative Assembly
  • virginia1861virginia1861 Posts: 19Registered Users
    I think the objections against a potential LOTR TW are unjust. As my above post shows the licence is know in the open

    "Christopher Tolkien, son and literary heir of J.R.R. Tolkien, resigned from the Tolkien Estate. And his departure changes everything.....With Christopher’s departure as an officer of the Tolkien Estate (which was incorporated in 2011), the long-awaited “rights frenzy” for Tolkien properties may soon begin,”
    http://www.theonering.net/torwp/2017...olkien-estate/


    Further the rights to the books alone have been given to multiple companies and small companies that do not have the financial backing of CA or Sega. Of course if they did not get the movie visuals licenses they would indeed recreate middle earth to their own liking. I am unsure how this differs from any other new game they make historical or fantasy when they change genre. As for the number of factions and content i differ greatly, if we go by the books 26 factions could be made. a third age sub- mod had 26 factions.



    Tolkien carries the largest fantasy fan base of all time only expanded by the movies that could be brought into the total war series.

    Lord of the Rings is the best selling fantasy book of all time. The Hobbit is the third best fantasy seller. Besides the Bible, LOTR is the third best selling book of all time, the Hobbit is 8th on the all time list.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...-selling_books
    Best-Selling Books of All-Time: Top Selling Books by Ranking

    The world created by Tolkien would fit perfect for the next fantasy total war game. Lord of the Rings provides what Total war needs.

    - Large fan base already present
    - Multiple diverse factions with both challenges and bonuses for each
    - Hugh map of Middle Earth with diverse terrain and battle maps
    - Large numbers of diverse units and forces for epic battles
    - Large castles for epic siege battles
    - Hero's of legend with special abilities
    -Agents, spies, assassins, diplomats etc
    - Battle over land, sea and air
    - Economy and trade
    -Exspansions and DLC could be done on the first and second ages

    It is not surprising that the most awarded, most downloaded , mod ever made for a total war game is the third age mod.
    http://www.twcenter.net/forums/forum...-Age-Total-War


  • Ephraim_DaltonEphraim_Dalton Senior Member Posts: 18,499Registered Users
    The license to the books, but not the movies and a major LotR game without the movie aesthetics will bomb. You have already been told that multiple times.

  • virginia1861virginia1861 Posts: 19Registered Users

    The license to the books, but not the movies and a major LotR game without the movie aesthetics will bomb. You have already been told that multiple times.

    And you have been told it would sell more than wow. Luckily some of us think for ourselves and at times even rebel and disagree with what we are told. Why would a LOTR based on the books fail and why could not Sega/Ca get the rights for the games by the movie licence? I would personally rather see a book based LOTR TW.
  • CommisarCommisar Senior Member Posts: 1,175Registered Users
    edited March 17
    Just because the "rights" aren't currently held by a company doesn't mean anything. They've pulled the rights for future films because they disliked how it was treated. That is after a long standing relationship generating lots of interest and money in the series. If they are willing to pull the rights there, they aren't going to just give it away.

    And you have been told it would sell more than wow. Luckily some of us think for ourselves and at times even rebel and disagree with what we are told. Why would a LOTR based on the books fail and why could not Sega/Ca get the rights for the games by the movie licence? I would personally rather see a book based LOTR TW.

    Might want to read what you just said. You tell us something is said then tell us you can ignore what we are told...So which is it? So far the idea it will sell better than WoW is an outright lie. 0 evidence to support it but quite a lot to disprove it.

    Generally the problem would be having to pay more money in fees and being hugely limited in what they can cover. They'd have no creative ability for content and the movies are rather limited for content for factions. Very few towns/cities for them to cover from it which makes a TW game next to impossible to make. Also not sure if they even have the rights to allow video games now since they've lost the rights to the original content...it does get complicated there.
  • virginia1861virginia1861 Posts: 19Registered Users
    Or, do what every other games based on the movies does or what third age mod did, or get the much cheaper rights to the books that give more than enough information to those who have read it rather than others who watched the movies only as some posters have shown.
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