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Why does Kemmler get a diplomatic bonus with Chaos?

GoldfishLordGoldfishLord Posts: 81Registered Users
Forgive my lack of knowledge here when it comes to lore, but I thought that the vampires and Chaos tend to dislike each other.

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  • Ephraim_DaltonEphraim_Dalton Senior Member Posts: 17,583Registered Users
    Because Kemmler is a powerhungry little git who goes to anyone who can offer it to him. In the End Times he actually joined the Chaos Gods outright and fought against Arkhan to prevent Nagash's resurrection.

  • GoldfishLordGoldfishLord Posts: 81Registered Users
    Interesting. Thank you!
  • Grom_the_PaunchGrom_the_Paunch Posts: 906Registered Users

    Because Kemmler is a powerhungry little git who goes to anyone who can offer it to him. In the End Times he actually joined the Chaos Gods outright and fought against Arkhan to prevent Nagash's resurrection.

    Supposedly, he was tired of everyone constantly pulling his strings. So he turned to Chaos for the unfettered power he felt he needed to be free... and doomed himself to die acting on behalf of his new masters. Yep. Makes about as much sense as the rest of it.

    Character did x and y because thin excuse for progression of plot. Characters wanted this particular maguffin because it was yet another source of ultimate power and yadayadayada because reasons.

    *grumble grumble*
  • Commissar_GCommissar_G Senior Member Posts: 9,855Registered Users
    He also has a pet Chaos champion.
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  • ZwirbaumZwirbaum Senior Member Posts: 358Registered Users
    This could also be a node to much older lore, for reference look up in the Terror of the Lichemaster WFRP campaign/adventure.

    Basically he struck the deal with daemon, to regain the ability to use the magic. (And the back then, Chaos was a little bit more present everywhere)
  • TheGuardianOfMetalTheGuardianOfMetal Senior Member Posts: 8,930Registered Users
    Because Chaos allowed Kemmler to regain his powers after he'd been betrayed by his pupils and lost them. His weapon also is called the "CHAOS Tomb Blade".

    He also has a pet Chaos champion.

    not really. Krells ultimate loyalty lies with Nagash.
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  • DraculasaurusDraculasaurus Posts: 1,529Registered Users
    It makes sense when you spend more than ten minutes looking at Nagash. That guy wants to kill all life and turn it into mindless puppets for himself. What place is there for Kemmler in that?
  • TayvarTayvar Posts: 9,477Registered Users
    edited February 26
    Well Heinrich Kemmler is an Mortal and he not 'Vampire Wannabe' unlike other Mortal Necromancers.

    https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Characters/TotalWarWarhammerTheVampireCounts
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  • PatriksevePatrikseve Member Posts: 1,419Registered Users
    edited February 27
    He was broken mentally not unlike the pirate lord, instead of split personalities he was like an old confused man that had lost most of his powers he wandered the mountains as a beggar. His body and mind was broken and he was at the verge of dying after being defeated. He then swore a pact with the gods of chaos to return him to his prime and thats why despite ressurecting Krell or at times aligning with the undead vampire lords and using necromancy he still works for Chaos as a result of them helping him. Krell is also despite fully loyal to Nagash the dark lord of undeath originally a Chaos champion. Krell also uses a chaos aligned sword but the reason he has a buff is of the pact he swore I think its CA:s way of hinting at this and making sure that important part of the lore for this character is reprsented ingame.

  • AvadonAvadon Posts: 1,543Registered Users
    edited February 28

    He also has a pet Chaos champion.

    And became aware enough to understand how he would ultimately be put in his place by said chaos champion...

    Master becomes slave...slave becomes master...

    But who was the really the master and who was really the puppet?..

    Where to the strings truly begin and end?..
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  • CanuoveaCanuovea Posts: 12,434Registered Users, Moderators
    Avadon said:

    He also has a pet Chaos champion.

    And became was put in his place by said chaos champion...
    Well, really Arkhan put Kemmler in his place.
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  • Ares354Ares354 Posts: 1,233Registered Users
    Canuovea said:

    Avadon said:

    He also has a pet Chaos champion.

    And became was put in his place by said chaos champion...
    Well, really Arkhan put Kemmler in his place.
    Plot is magic in GW lore.
  • TayvarTayvar Posts: 9,477Registered Users
    Ares354 said:

    Canuovea said:

    Avadon said:

    He also has a pet Chaos champion.

    And became was put in his place by said chaos champion...
    Well, really Arkhan put Kemmler in his place.
    Plot is magic in GW lore.
    Well Arkhan is a Necromancer who is second only to Nagash himself, so there was no surprise there.

    https://warhammerfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Heinrich_Kemmler
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  • Ares354Ares354 Posts: 1,233Registered Users
    Tayvar said:

    Ares354 said:

    Canuovea said:

    Avadon said:

    He also has a pet Chaos champion.

    And became was put in his place by said chaos champion...
    Well, really Arkhan put Kemmler in his place.
    Plot is magic in GW lore.
    Well Arkhan is a Necromancer who is second only to Nagash himself, so there was no surprise there.

    https://warhammerfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Heinrich_Kemmler
    Yes, that why Op Grail Knights in lore did nothing to win vs Chaos in end times. But they are like Gods, some Bretonnia fanboys says. Plot is bitch and GW lose crap fights and unfitting ending for characters. Like for example Fey or Volkmar
  • AvadonAvadon Posts: 1,543Registered Users
    Canuovea said:

    Avadon said:

    He also has a pet Chaos champion.

    And became was put in his place by said chaos champion...
    Well, really Arkhan put Kemmler in his place.


    Arkhan was over powered but the weakness of Kemmlers "mortal form"...mental state...amount of raw dhar channelled...

    Rage...climactic miscast...


    image: @Canuovea You disappoint me.




  • CanuoveaCanuovea Posts: 12,434Registered Users, Moderators
    Kemmler just kept overreaching and Arkhan did not.

    Arkhan certainly would have lost had Kemmler not had catastrophically bad luck.

    Of course it IS the End Times, so...
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  • OgrechubbsOgrechubbs Posts: 37Registered Users
    Isnt kemler a choas sorcs who knew necro and nagash lured him to wake krell who is basically the real brains?
  • CanuoveaCanuovea Posts: 12,434Registered Users, Moderators

    Isnt kemler a choas sorcs who knew necro and nagash lured him to wake krell who is basically the real brains?

    Not really. Kemmler was a pretty powerful Necromancer in his own right, he just made a deal with Chaos later.
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