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A Warhammer 3 What If Scenario, Your Reaction

Wyvax#7456Wyvax#7456 Registered Users Posts: 6,314
So this is just an honest question inspired from the debate currently going in the Cathay art thread. Figured it warranted it's own post.

What would be your personal reaction and immediate conclusions, if the game 3 standalone map was received to include everything leftover? From the World's Edge Mountains all the way to Nippon and the Isles of Tor Elithis, from the Northern Chaos Wastes all the way South to the Gates of Calith where the tip of Khuresh meets the Southern Chaos Wastes. Darklands, Mountains of Mourn, Eastern Steppes, Ind, Cathay and the Hinterlands of Khuresh. All of it.

This is not a prediction, just trying to gauge people's reactions with a hypothetical.
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  • WhySoSalty#3990WhySoSalty#3990 Registered Users Posts: 1,573
    hype and pure joy...buut its not going to happen....buuuut again it would be like my birthday and christmas together
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  • Wyvax#7456Wyvax#7456 Registered Users Posts: 6,314
    Reghis said:

    hype and pure joy...buut its not going to happen....buuuut again it would be like my birthday and christmas together

    Ditto. After the Vortex map it's certainly possible, but while I honestly do expect the East to West dimensions I proposed (mostly), I do not expect the North to South dimensions at all, which is a shame because the Southern Chaos Wastes would make for drastically different starts for potential Daemons of Chaos and Beastmen starts. And as much as I want a race vicious snakemen, I doubt I'll get them.
  • RikRiorik#9890RikRiorik#9890 Registered Users Posts: 12,257
    My reaction would be that of surprised. And then thrilled. An expanded map beyond what most of us feel is likely (Darklands and Mountains of Mourn) would excite me to no end and if it then also included updated campaign gameplay I can honestly say that I would be overcole with a feeling of bliss usually only reserved for the worshippers of the Dark Prince.
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  • fan3982173917524862#7883fan3982173917524862#7883 Registered Users Posts: 1,584
    It would be a pleasant surprise.
  • FinishingLast#1402FinishingLast#1402 Registered Users Posts: 4,865
    I think most would be happy about it. The anger from some people only comes if you then tried to include those factions on that map too. Honestly, I want as big of a map as we can get with as many possible factions and races. By the end, I want this to be a huge game and it'd be nice if we didn't have to add a ton of missing stuff through mods.
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  • AENARlONAENARlON Registered Users Posts: 887
    I'd be happy IF they managed to control the number of settlements/factions to ME levels at most.
  • SteppelordSteppelord Registered Users Posts: 2,315
    I would be very disappointed. I would sit there thinking, warhammer II was a beautiful interpretation of the warhammer world, it really fleshed out each faction, and it gave us a chance to continue this world forever.

    And then warhammer III came out, and instead of overhauling sieges, making demons of chaos the best they could possibly be, and doing their best to make the most of the existing races, they just made up a ton of stuff, added underdeveloped factions with no lore behind them, and merged 3k with warhammer, dividing their resources and leaving the game unfinished and barebones.

    I don't want CA to make up five boring factions and leave the other sixteen as they are. It is no longer total war warhammer, it will be total war CA, and no offence, but that is not what I'd like to see. Mountains of mourn, dragon isles, stuff like that is fine, just not cathay.
  • SteppelordSteppelord Registered Users Posts: 2,315
    edited March 2019
    I mean look at this stuff that GW pulled out of their arse:

    Another magical beast typical of Cathay and the Far East is the Ki-rin, flying unicorns with long, flowing manes spun with sparks of silver lightning that ride the roaring winds and storm clouds, bellowing and sceaming great cracks of lightning through the disturbed air.

    Flying rainbow unicorns. Exactly what I want to replace chaos undivided. And then the entire kingdom of Nippon made up of this stuff.

  • SteppelordSteppelord Registered Users Posts: 2,315
    What I think would be awesome though, is to see CA expanding on Lustria and the southlands slightly, extending them a bit to the south, and adding some new factions down there. And new units. And new legendary lords. And cross-game dlc.
  • Gollummyprecious#7609Gollummyprecious#7609 Registered Users Posts: 476
    Wyvax said:

    So this is just an honest question inspired from the debate currently going in the Cathay art thread. Figured it warranted it's own post.

    What would be your personal reaction and immediate conclusions, if the game 3 standalone map was received to include everything leftover? From the World's Edge Mountains all the way to Nippon and the Isles of Tor Elithis, from the Northern Chaos Wastes all the way South to the Gates of Calith where the tip of Khuresh meets the Southern Chaos Wastes. Darklands, Mountains of Mourn, Eastern Steppes, Ind, Cathay and the Hinterlands of Khuresh. All of it.

    This is not a prediction, just trying to gauge people's reactions with a hypothetical.

    It would leave CA with a DLC calendar filled for years, between the minor factions of game 3 and the potential crossover LP for the Grand Campaign it could be a gold mine, however CA needs to buy the trademark for a few more years and pulls entire factions up their hats, the two demands a lot of funds, so it might not happening. However i could see down the line a cathay faction but a Nippon and a Khuresh one? I'm more reserved about it. One faction to completely flesh out is already a lot so the best would be to flesh out the Warriors of Chaos first, adding the obvious factions that there is left like Chaos Dwarfs, Deamons, Ogres, Kislev, Southern Realms, Araby, Nagash/Legions of Undead then we will talk.

    Ultimately it goes down at this:

    -Either CA wants to go with an End Times type of scenario with the major playor races going at it (which they might go to with the hints of Nagash, Deamons, Mortarchs in the Vortex campaign)

    -Either CA goes full sandbox mode and do the entire warhammer map with all the factions. The time required to accomplish this is astronomical and it might costs so much that even good sales would barely be beneficial (thats from my perspective, im not a specialist in gaming economics and dont have the numbers either)

    So i dont think it might happen, Cathay would be a more realistic kind of dream in my opinion but again, since its a dream it might not happen at all.
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  • #21546#21546 Registered Users Posts: 4,761
    Would be really glad to see Cathay ! Honestly game 3 need some good guys


  • Federykx99Federykx99 Registered Users Posts: 562
    I would be very happy. But I would like to have also the chaos wastes and chaos realm in the mix.

    We'll see.
  • fan3982173917524862#7883fan3982173917524862#7883 Registered Users Posts: 1,584
    The OP did not say these minor factions will make it before the main highlights, like Ogres, Cdwarfs and Chaos. Just suggested they also make an appearance, maybe as DLC. No reason to get riled up.
    As long as they don't neglect the main factions and the rest make it in time, I'm perfectly fine with every posdible faction making it in.
  • HeresyHoundHeresyHound Registered Users Posts: 8,285

    I mean look at this stuff that GW pulled out of their arse:

    Another magical beast typical of Cathay and the Far East is the Ki-rin, flying unicorns with long, flowing manes spun with sparks of silver lightning that ride the roaring winds and storm clouds, bellowing and sceaming great cracks of lightning through the disturbed air.

    Flying rainbow unicorns. Exactly what I want to replace chaos undivided. And then the entire kingdom of Nippon made up of this stuff.

    Yeah I just looked that up on the Warhammer wiki. Its a lightning spirit that impales people. How that any worse than the fire chickens of the High Elves? Also that is from 3rd edition so who the hell knows if its canon. Also kirin is the Japanese word, Chinese should be qilin.

    Also there is this weird thing where someone, somewhere translated qilin/kirin as "unicorn" and people were like "Yeah sure I guess its a chinese unicorn". Traditionally, they don't look like unicorns besides having hooves.

    Also no one mentioned forgoing the missing main factions or updating older factions? The question was just "How would you feel of the map is really big?".
  • Omega_WarriorOmega_Warrior Registered Users Posts: 1,401
    edited March 2019
    Then they will have met the expectations they have set. CA has really been pulling all the stops and I wouldn’t be surprised to see the full warhammer world map.

    I’m not still hung over How GW has handled new content in the past. CA has a different way of doing things which generally focuses more on new races then continually adding content a few older races.
  • FinishingLast#1402FinishingLast#1402 Registered Users Posts: 4,865

    I'd be happy IF they managed to control the number of settlements/factions to ME levels at most.

    You're hoping they add an entire 3rd game, but don't increase the number of settlements or factions in the combined map? Wow, that would cut out a huge portion of the game. What's the point of making a combined map if you're just going to gut it? I'm not even happy with the cuts they made to Lustria and the Southlands so I definitely don't want them adding the 3rd game to it and cutting a 1/3rd of factions and settlements across the entire world map.
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  • HeresyHoundHeresyHound Registered Users Posts: 8,285

    I'd be happy IF they managed to control the number of settlements/factions to ME levels at most.

    You're hoping they add an entire 3rd game, but don't increase the number of settlements or factions in the combined map? Wow, that would cut out a huge portion of the game. What's the point of making a combined map if you're just going to gut it? I'm not even happy with the cuts they made to Lustria and the Southlands so I definitely don't want them adding the 3rd game to it and cutting a 1/3rd of factions and settlements across the entire world map.
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  • Canuovea#6291Canuovea#6291 Registered Users, Moderators, Knights Posts: 15,974
    I would cry for my turn times, unless they drastically reduced them.

    Beyond that it wouldn't bother me, except in so far as I'd not be able to play the game.
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  • AENARlONAENARlON Registered Users Posts: 887

    I'd be happy IF they managed to control the number of settlements/factions to ME levels at most.

    You're hoping they add an entire 3rd game, but don't increase the number of settlements or factions in the combined map? Wow, that would cut out a huge portion of the game. What's the point of making a combined map if you're just going to gut it? I'm not even happy with the cuts they made to Lustria and the Southlands so I definitely don't want them adding the 3rd game to it and cutting a 1/3rd of factions and settlements across the entire world map.
    I'm suggesting they have the whole world map, but cut many of the minor factions and settlements. They did this already for ME and no one even mentions it (e.g. Yvresse reduced from six to two settlements). It's simple common sense unless you want turn times and late game grind to be twice as bad as they are in ME.
  • FinishingLast#1402FinishingLast#1402 Registered Users Posts: 4,865

    I'd be happy IF they managed to control the number of settlements/factions to ME levels at most.

    You're hoping they add an entire 3rd game, but don't increase the number of settlements or factions in the combined map? Wow, that would cut out a huge portion of the game. What's the point of making a combined map if you're just going to gut it? I'm not even happy with the cuts they made to Lustria and the Southlands so I definitely don't want them adding the 3rd game to it and cutting a 1/3rd of factions and settlements across the entire world map.
    I'm suggesting they have the whole world map, but cut many of the minor factions and settlements. They did this already for ME and no one even mentions it (e.g. Yvresse reduced from six to two settlements). It's simple common sense unless you want turn times and late game grind to be twice as bad as they are in ME.
    Actually they mostly only altered Ulthuan and the old world not only stayed the same, they added settlements. And yes, people did complain about the settlement cuts even when it was first announced long before they even played it. I’d rather have a complete game than save 45-75 seconds on turn times.
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  • Commissar_G#7535Commissar_G#7535 Registered Users Posts: 16,020
    Canuovea said:

    I would cry for my turn times, unless they drastically reduced them.

    Beyond that it wouldn't bother me, except in so far as I'd not be able to play the game.

    Honestly there's so much dead space out there, even in the dark lands you could cut 80% of it out and shrink the rest of the world massively.

    Not a single reason that Ind, Cathay, Khuresh and Nippon can't be the size of the southern realms and bretonnia.
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  • Some_ScribeSome_Scribe Registered Users Posts: 1,382
    Assuming the map was a 360-degree round world a la Civilization, that would be great.
  • saweendra#3399saweendra#3399 Registered Users Posts: 19,926
    thats all my wishes coming true. a pinch of fish men. sprinkle of bugs and it will be so awesome.

    #givemoreunitsforbrettonia, my bret dlc


  • Beast_of_Guanyin#8747Beast_of_Guanyin#8747 Registered Users Posts: 41,369
    If they shrunk it enough I'd be very happy. I may even smile.
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  • Surge_2#1464Surge_2#1464 Registered Users Posts: 12,262
    Canuovea said:

    I would cry for my turn times, unless they drastically reduced them.

    Beyond that it wouldn't bother me, except in so far as I'd not be able to play the game.

    lol, this!

    That said, on the promise that the combined map would have it all, and the main warhammer factions are all properly implemented on top of this?

    Well what fool says no to complete and additional content?

    The issue is not the addition of the Far East. The issue is at what cost.
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  • saweendra#3399saweendra#3399 Registered Users Posts: 19,926
    Surge_2 said:

    Canuovea said:

    I would cry for my turn times, unless they drastically reduced them.

    Beyond that it wouldn't bother me, except in so far as I'd not be able to play the game.

    lol, this!

    That said, on the promise that the combined map would have it all, and the main warhammer factions are all properly implemented on top of this?

    Well what fool says no to complete and additional content?

    The issue is not the addition of the Far East. The issue is at what cost.
    people will play, others will upgrade machines and play. it all depends. but it will sell. may be they can do realm thing after game 3 were you get to pick factions that will be campaign map, and pick the world map as well

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  • Draxynnic#3149Draxynnic#3149 Registered Users Posts: 11,506
    Awesome, although admittedly I might be concerned about turn times. Mind you, I haven't had any real issues with ME turn times, and my rig's getting a little long in the tooth.

    I mean look at this stuff that GW pulled out of their arse:

    Another magical beast typical of Cathay and the Far East is the Ki-rin, flying unicorns with long, flowing manes spun with sparks of silver lightning that ride the roaring winds and storm clouds, bellowing and sceaming great cracks of lightning through the disturbed air.

    Flying rainbow unicorns. Exactly what I want to replace chaos undivided. And then the entire kingdom of Nippon made up of this stuff.

    Not sure where you're getting rainbow out of that.

    Like FungusHound said, approximating the qilin/kirin to a unicorn at all, let alone the girly modern rainbow unicorn you see today (mythological unicorns were a symbol of masculinity - there's a reason they're attracted to pretty virgins...) is a bit of an overgeneralisation - they're closer to being a kind of hybrid between a deer and an Eastern dragon. They don't even always have the signature feature of a unicorn, as in some depictions they have two or more horns. Some examples:







    Besides, Warhammer already has regular unicorns anyway, while managing to maintain a Warhammer feel over My Little Pony, so I'm pretty sure they can make qilin work.
  • psychoakpsychoak Registered Users Posts: 3,414
    I'd really enjoy the empty side of the map filled with 3K placeholders...
  • Mr_Finley7#4571Mr_Finley7#4571 Registered Users Posts: 8,519
    That would be amazing. It will never happen but it would be a dream come true.

    If they do I hope they hire some of the older GW designers, the guys who made the setting so great, rather than the more recent generation of hacks **** out sky dwarfs and underwater elves who fly on land
  • HeresyHoundHeresyHound Registered Users Posts: 8,285
    I think it would be great to have a full world even if there is weird distortion in size and geography (which we already have).

    For the whole turn time thing, I wonder how well having the option to do start a play though that removes a majority of the minor factions but leaves all the LLs intact.

    Or perhaps just have an option to have certain groups in stasis until you get over there. Like it just assumes certain factions have taken over and built up to a certain point when you reach them.

    Or just optimization and better tech I suppose...
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