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Tiktaq'to Salt?

Michael4537Michael4537 Registered Users Posts: 2,376
Okay, I get that some people are disappointed that their favorite Legendary Lord wasn't picked, whether that be Chakax, Oxoytl, Gor-Rok, Tetto'eko, or Nakai, but I seriously do not understand why people are calling Tiktaq'to a "nobody", a "meme pick", a "lazy reskin", another Tretch or Ghorst, or any number of things that I frankly find ridiculous. So, let's take a minute to talk about this "trashy" pick for a FLC.

Tiktaq'to, the Master of the Skies of Hexoatl, is the preeminent Skink Chief of the entire Lizardmen race, ranking only behind Skink Priests and Slann. A powerful tactician and general, he knows no peers in the realm of aerial combat and hit-and-run tactics. Commanding squadrons of Terradons and Ripperdactyls, Tiktaq'to manages and directs airborne patrols and attack squadrons, pulling off hundreds of daring assaults that have brought superior enemy forces to their knees. Atop his Terradon, Zwup, he maintains the Lizardmen advantage in the skies and rains death upon the enemy.

Most prominent among Tiktaq'to's achievements was his role in the Seige of Hexoatl. With Lord Mazdamundi absent from the city, Tiktaq'to too control of the defenses and successfully held back the large Chaos invasion of Lustria since the Great Catastrophe, the event that caused Chaos to spill into the world. No Daemon or Chaos warrior crossed into the city without being cut down by the Saurus lines or torn apart by Tiktaq'to's aerial forces. Through the entire siege, the backlines of Chaos was constantly harassed, unable to escape the unrelenting attacks of his forces. Eventually, Kroq-Gar and Mazdamundi themselves arrived to break the siege, but without Tiktaq'to, the city surely would have been lost and the invasion would have poured into the interior of Lustria, leaving the remaining three Temple-Cities vulnerable not only to Chaos but also to the vile Dark Elves who constantly raid Lizardmen territory.

So yeah, that's the bulk of his lore in a nutshell. He's definitely not a nobody or a meme pick.He's a very important badass, just like the rest of the Lizardmen characters. There's also this really good video about him:


"Oh but he's just another lazy reskin!" Well, the same can be said for everyone else. Gor-Rok and Chakax are just reskinned Saurus, Oxoytl is a reskinned Chameleon Skink, Tetto'eko is a reskinned Skink Priest on a reskinned Slann palanquin, and Nakai is just a reskinned Kroxigor. There are things that make each lord unique, and the same goes for Tiktaq'to. Any lord sounds stupid and useless when they're called "just another reskin."

I don't, however, like the fact that one of the primary units he is focused on buffing, Ripperdactyls, are part of a DLC and not available to the people who just want to buy the DLC but want to play Tiktaq'to. Yes, he buffs Terradons more and you can still field an army of Terradons, but it's not very realistic to have a Terradon army without Ripperdactyls. Terradons are fragile and need to be protected. And it's boring to only have one unit. I get that it's a marketing play by CA to get people to buy the DLC, and I can't complain too much since I'm buying the DLC anyway, but it rubs me the wrong way that they would create a lord that all players can use but not give everyone access to the one unit that really makes his kind of playstyle really viable. It's like when they introduced Alith Anar as a FLC, but then you have to buy the DLC to access his units, the Shadow Walkers. At least he got a unique unit to mitigate that.

But other than that, it looks like CA has done a good job at translating an awesome character from the 8th Edition Table Top to Total War and making him very unique in the campaign. (Yes, he has 8th Ed. TT rules and a model. Heck, Mazdamundi doesn't even have a TT model.) Some tweaking is going to be required, but I'm looking forward to playing around with this guy.

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  • KronusXKronusX Registered Users Posts: 1,393
    I personally am happy with a LL having a Ripperdactyl as a mount, but I can see why others would be disappointed. What I would have liked more though would have been tiktac as a DLC LL and maybe a Kroxigor LL for FLC (something similar to Kholek).
  • AmonkhetAmonkhet Registered Users Posts: 3,141
    edited April 2019
    Unique gameplay first, then Unique start position, the Lore Importance. Thats how it should be decided. So long as it came from any Army Book, White Dwarf article, Supplement book/article or Forgeworld, or even from core specialist games (like Mordheim, Dreadfleet or licensed games like Vermintide)...all of that should be up for consideration.
  • GCRustGCRust Registered Users Posts: 604
    I'm looking forward to trying a air-heavy Lizardmen army in the final Ritual Battle.
  • MaedrethnirMaedrethnir Senior Member Registered Users Posts: 9,309
    No. Gor-Rok is not a 'reskin' and even in terms of remodel his should be a big one. Gor-Rok is to Saurus what Tehenhauin is to Skinks, a much bigger specimen, and I don't mean scale but appearance overall. Taller, more muscular and scarred.

    TTT is another Tretch that almost nobody wanted. I'm sure you can make a video about Craventail too but it won't make him any more relevant. Rule of cool points to Gor-Rok and Nakai.

    Maybe if TTT owned his own Coatl to fly on but nope.
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  • AmonkhetAmonkhet Registered Users Posts: 3,141
    The only unique thing Gor-Rok could do is buff Kroxigors, but Nakai is better for that. We already have Krog-gar to buff Saurus. Gor-Rok wouldn't have unique skills to buff air units nor a flying mount.
  • vintagepurplevintagepurple Registered Users Posts: 800
    edited April 2019

    No. Gor-Rok is not a 'reskin' and even in terms of remodel his should be a big one. Gor-Rok is to Saurus what Tehenhauin is to Skinks, a much bigger specimen, and I don't mean scale but appearance overall. Taller, more muscular and scarred.

    TTT is another Tretch that almost nobody wanted. I'm sure you can make a video about Craventail too but it won't make him any more relevant. Rule of cool points to Gor-Rok and Nakai.

    Maybe if TTT owned his own Coatl to fly on but nope.

    How is Tehenhuain not a reskinned skink? Look at his model. His tabletop one and his TW one.

    (please ignore that all forum cries of "reskin" are nonsense, I wanna see what this specific intellectual has to say about what is and isn't a reskin)
  • henfrida2012henfrida2012 Registered Users Posts: 78
    edited April 2019

    ranking only behind Skink Priests and Slann.

    Here I put it to you, why he is the bottom list. He is rank behind "Skink Priest" meaning he is not the A class level like what you claim. He is THE BEST TERRADON RIDER. if you state it like that. I AGREE


    and here is why the other is not :
    Gor-Rok : Bigger saurus (stop saying he is Kroq Gar 2.0, he is not - he is like Grimgor and Kholek, anomaly in basic unit. just like what HULK is to Captain America. One Genetic Freak Monster (Gor-rok) and One Super Saurus OldBlood (Kroq-gar).
    you don't think so because you say he is just saurus ? Just say you don't want HULK if you have captain america, you want hawkeye the long range because they both do melee that is better argumen.

    Tetto'eko : same skink character, but the only one with throne plus future prediction ability.
    you argue TTT more unique ?? well, you argue about Falcon vs War Machine, one have skill and unique item, the other powerful unique item but the "second". same argument above, different preference

    CHAKAX : Now here is KROQ-GAR 2.0 - why because lore wise he is named temple guard. so yeah, a stronger temple guard, which is armored saurus.

    Oxyotl : a named chameleon skink - this yeah this is just buff up chameleon skink.
    Nakai : a named kroxigor - same as above


    Now with all this list : we can agree that they are all B+ Player so whoever make it in FLC should be okay right ? the thing is TTT in every list of what people want is on the bottom.
    I am not talking gameplay or everything, it is just what people want. Majority want Gor-ROK or Nakai (funny since he is non-exist actually, but move on)

    and then you have those limited slot for LL, and as you see, every single character is easy-peasy reskin with a gameplay seriously can be added by creative mind of CA.
    and yet CA pick TTT, the lower list of the most wanted and seriously reek of suspicion of upsell their DLC,

    and yeah that is why people angry.


    regarding Tretch - he is a named Chieftain hero, and he is considered B+ because he is what you call Queek 2.0, why ? because Queek is a named Warlord, and WARLORD - CHIEFTAIN is the generic melee Lord and Heroes choice.
    while Skaven has all the 4 clan leader and the ET THanquol.


    why else do you think nobody is salty with ALith ANar - named shadow warrior and Lokhir - named corsair
    because they are at least in top 3 wanted list
  • FinishingLastFinishingLast Registered Users Posts: 4,368
    I'm fine with it. Was expecting Gor-Rok, would have preferred Nakai, but no issues for me. It's just a bonus for me. Same way the Bretonnia update is. It's probably not going to get me to play as them again, but its great for those who want it!
    Later
  • MaedrethnirMaedrethnir Senior Member Registered Users Posts: 9,309
    edited April 2019

    No. Gor-Rok is not a 'reskin' and even in terms of remodel his should be a big one. Gor-Rok is to Saurus what Tehenhauin is to Skinks, a much bigger specimen, and I don't mean scale but appearance overall. Taller, more muscular and scarred.

    TTT is another Tretch that almost nobody wanted. I'm sure you can make a video about Craventail too but it won't make him any more relevant. Rule of cool points to Gor-Rok and Nakai.

    Maybe if TTT owned his own Coatl to fly on but nope.

    How is Tehenhuain not a reskinned skink? Look at his model. His tabletop one and his TW one.

    (please ignore that all forum cries of "reskin" are nonsense, I wanna see what this specific intellectual has to say about what is and isn't a reskin)


    Let's look at Tehenhauin



    Now let's look at Skink



    I haven't seen TH in action so I can't tell whether it is a new model or hefty remodel but what I can say for sure it is not a reskin.
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  • D3adgodsD3adgods Registered Users Posts: 64

    No. Gor-Rok is not a 'reskin' and even in terms of remodel his should be a big one. Gor-Rok is to Saurus what Tehenhauin is to Skinks, a much bigger specimen, and I don't mean scale but appearance overall. Taller, more muscular and scarred.

    TTT is another Tretch that almost nobody wanted. I'm sure you can make a video about Craventail too but it won't make him any more relevant. Rule of cool points to Gor-Rok and Nakai.

    Maybe if TTT owned his own Coatl to fly on but nope.

    How is Tehenhuain not a reskinned skink? Look at his model. His tabletop one and his TW one.

    (please ignore that all forum cries of "reskin" are nonsense, I wanna see what this specific intellectual has to say about what is and isn't a reskin)


    Let's look at Tehenhauin



    Now let's look at Skink



    I haven't seen TH in action so I can't tell whether it is a new model or hefty remodel but what I can say for sure it is not a reskin.
    He's also a skink oracle, i.e. a different breed of skink. Both Of the Skink lord choices reflect their tabletop models, Gor'rok would be no different.
  • Vanilla_GorillaVanilla_Gorilla Registered Users Posts: 21,973
    Reskin is abused as badly as "Confirmed" on this forum. None of the remaining LM characters would take much more work than TTT.

    The pragmatic reality is that of the remaining LM Characters TTT is as valid as any of them. He's an 8E hero just like Gor-Rok was. The main difference is he's got a theme that's related to the DLC and he brings a new style of play to the table for the LM. Those two factors justify him being picked.

    This isn't a Tretch case where there's multiple other better lord level characters. LM got all of their Lord characters including Kroak. I would've loved Nakai being in but he's not, and neither is Gor-Rok, I'd have preferred them but TTT is just as valid a choice.
    Thanks CA for working with Epic Games to give us Troy for free!
  • tomdoof206tomdoof206 Junior Member Registered Users Posts: 140
    edited April 2019

    No. Gor-Rok is not a 'reskin' and even in terms of remodel his should be a big one. Gor-Rok is to Saurus what Tehenhauin is to Skinks, a much bigger specimen, and I don't mean scale but appearance overall. Taller, more muscular and scarred.

    TTT is another Tretch that almost nobody wanted. I'm sure you can make a video about Craventail too but it won't make him any more relevant. Rule of cool points to Gor-Rok and Nakai.

    Maybe if TTT owned his own Coatl to fly on but nope.

    How is Tehenhuain not a reskinned skink? Look at his model. His tabletop one and his TW one.

    (please ignore that all forum cries of "reskin" are nonsense, I wanna see what this specific intellectual has to say about what is and isn't a reskin)


    Let's look at Tehenhauin



    Now let's look at Skink



    I haven't seen TH in action so I can't tell whether it is a new model or hefty remodel but what I can say for sure it is not a reskin.
    Sorry this is wrong the top pic is a re-texture bottom is a re-skin. Skinning(rigging) a model is the process of assigning verts of a models mesh to an animation skeleton so technically any model that uses the same skeleton is a reskin. Fimir and kroxigor for example fall into that category. Skinning is not an easy or quick process so when people use the term "reskin" to insinuate lazyness or something obviously have no clue what they are talking about.
  • MaedrethnirMaedrethnir Senior Member Registered Users Posts: 9,309
    D3adgods said:

    No. Gor-Rok is not a 'reskin' and even in terms of remodel his should be a big one. Gor-Rok is to Saurus what Tehenhauin is to Skinks, a much bigger specimen, and I don't mean scale but appearance overall. Taller, more muscular and scarred.

    TTT is another Tretch that almost nobody wanted. I'm sure you can make a video about Craventail too but it won't make him any more relevant. Rule of cool points to Gor-Rok and Nakai.

    Maybe if TTT owned his own Coatl to fly on but nope.

    How is Tehenhuain not a reskinned skink? Look at his model. His tabletop one and his TW one.

    (please ignore that all forum cries of "reskin" are nonsense, I wanna see what this specific intellectual has to say about what is and isn't a reskin)


    Let's look at Tehenhauin



    Now let's look at Skink



    I haven't seen TH in action so I can't tell whether it is a new model or hefty remodel but what I can say for sure it is not a reskin.
    He's also a skink oracle, i.e. a different breed of skink. Both Of the Skink lord choices reflect their tabletop models, Gor'rok would be no different.
    I hope so. I would like to see Saurus chad.
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  • Vanilla_GorillaVanilla_Gorilla Registered Users Posts: 21,973

    No. Gor-Rok is not a 'reskin' and even in terms of remodel his should be a big one. Gor-Rok is to Saurus what Tehenhauin is to Skinks, a much bigger specimen, and I don't mean scale but appearance overall. Taller, more muscular and scarred.

    TTT is another Tretch that almost nobody wanted. I'm sure you can make a video about Craventail too but it won't make him any more relevant. Rule of cool points to Gor-Rok and Nakai.

    Maybe if TTT owned his own Coatl to fly on but nope.

    How is Tehenhuain not a reskinned skink? Look at his model. His tabletop one and his TW one.

    (please ignore that all forum cries of "reskin" are nonsense, I wanna see what this specific intellectual has to say about what is and isn't a reskin)


    Let's look at Tehenhauin



    Now let's look at Skink



    I haven't seen TH in action so I can't tell whether it is a new model or hefty remodel but what I can say for sure it is not a reskin.
    Sorry this is wrong the top pic is a re-texture bottom is a re-skin. Skinning(rigging) a model is the process of assigning verts of a models mesh to an animation skeleton so technically any model that uses the same skeleton is a reskin. Fimir and kroxigor for example fall into that category. Skinning is not an easy or quick process so when people use the term "reskin" to insinuate lazyness or something obviously have no clue what they are talking about.
    That's the main problem with how "reskin" is used. If it's used in the way you describe that's fine, I'm not fussed if it's called a rethis or a rethat. The problem comes with the implication it's low work or low effort, which it's just not.
    Thanks CA for working with Epic Games to give us Troy for free!
  • MaedrethnirMaedrethnir Senior Member Registered Users Posts: 9,309

    No. Gor-Rok is not a 'reskin' and even in terms of remodel his should be a big one. Gor-Rok is to Saurus what Tehenhauin is to Skinks, a much bigger specimen, and I don't mean scale but appearance overall. Taller, more muscular and scarred.

    TTT is another Tretch that almost nobody wanted. I'm sure you can make a video about Craventail too but it won't make him any more relevant. Rule of cool points to Gor-Rok and Nakai.

    Maybe if TTT owned his own Coatl to fly on but nope.

    How is Tehenhuain not a reskinned skink? Look at his model. His tabletop one and his TW one.

    (please ignore that all forum cries of "reskin" are nonsense, I wanna see what this specific intellectual has to say about what is and isn't a reskin)


    Let's look at Tehenhauin



    Now let's look at Skink



    I haven't seen TH in action so I can't tell whether it is a new model or hefty remodel but what I can say for sure it is not a reskin.
    Sorry this is wrong the top pic is a re-texture bottom is a re-skin. Skinning(rigging) a model is the process of assigning verts of a models mesh to an animation skeleton so technically any model that uses the same skeleton is a reskin. Fimir and kroxigor for example fall into that category. Skinning is not an easy or quick process so when people use the term "reskin" to insinuate lazyness or something obviously have no clue what they are talking about.
    Skinning is not rigging. I have never heard or seen this way of addressing things.
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  • AIMA_DracklorAIMA_Dracklor Registered Users Posts: 4,462
    Im really happy with him, for me he is one of the msot badass Lizardmen, not because he is a blessed skink destined for greatness by the old ones, but only because he managed to become a hero of the Lizardmen people only with his skill and determination.


  • BoombastekBoombastek Registered Users Posts: 2,121
    edited April 2019
    Amonkhet said:

    Unique gameplay first, then Unique start position, the Lore Importance. Thats how it should be decided. So long as it came from any Army Book, White Dwarf article, Supplement book/article or Forgeworld, or even from core specialist games (like Mordheim, Dreadfleet or licensed games like Vermintide)...all of that should be up for consideration.

    So explain me his uniq gameplay, maybe I'm dumb?
    I can't undestand his uniq gameplay.

    He just buff 2 fly unit and when attack his army got +5 attack. Uniq skills end.

    Terradon poop for skink heroes buff his faction wide trait. But skinks ride onto Stegadon.

    25% vision of characters?

    Where his uniq gameplay...

    All uniq in Tic tak is his starting position. Swap ten in one with Tic tak, gor rok into pitza, every one happy.

    Greedy CA bosses just want all cash from comunity.
    FLC lord without dlc useless.
  • AmonkhetAmonkhet Registered Users Posts: 3,141
    edited April 2019

    Amonkhet said:

    Unique gameplay first, then Unique start position, the Lore Importance. Thats how it should be decided. So long as it came from any Army Book, White Dwarf article, Supplement book/article or Forgeworld, or even from core specialist games (like Mordheim, Dreadfleet or licensed games like Vermintide)...all of that should be up for consideration.

    So explain me his uniq gameplay, maybe I'm dumb?
    I can't undestand his uniq gameplay.

    He just buff 2 fly unit and when attack his army got +5 attack. Uniq skills end.

    Terradon poop for skink heroes buff his faction wide trait. But skinks ride onto Stegadon.

    25% vision of characters?

    Where his uniq gameplay...
    Thats unique gameplay. He buffs all flying units for Lizardmen, he gives them additional ammo for bombing, and he allows all Skink heroes to automatically start with their flying mounts unlocked alongside starting with his own flying mount on turn one.

    Which other Lizardmen LL does this?

    Compare this to Gor-Rok who would step on the toes of Kroq-Gar by buffing the same Saurus units.
  • AIMA_DracklorAIMA_Dracklor Registered Users Posts: 4,462

    Amonkhet said:

    Unique gameplay first, then Unique start position, the Lore Importance. Thats how it should be decided. So long as it came from any Army Book, White Dwarf article, Supplement book/article or Forgeworld, or even from core specialist games (like Mordheim, Dreadfleet or licensed games like Vermintide)...all of that should be up for consideration.

    So explain me his uniq gameplay, maybe I'm dumb?
    I can't undestand his uniq gameplay.

    He just buff 2 fly unit and when attack his army got +5 attack. Uniq skills end.

    Terradon poop for skink heroes buff his faction wide trait. But skinks ride onto Stegadon.

    25% vision of characters?

    Where his uniq gameplay...

    All uniq in Tic tak is his starting position. Swap ten in one with Tic tak, gor rok into pitza, every one happy.

    Greedy CA bosses just want all cash from comunity.
    FLC lord without dlc useless.
    Unique ganeplay is the multiples buffs to terradon riders and ripperdactyl, the additional rock drops, he allows full air armies to be much stronger. This iswhat he adds, Gor Rok wouldnt add much different than Kroq Gar


  • BoombastekBoombastek Registered Users Posts: 2,121
    Amonkhet said:

    Amonkhet said:

    Unique gameplay first, then Unique start position, the Lore Importance. Thats how it should be decided. So long as it came from any Army Book, White Dwarf article, Supplement book/article or Forgeworld, or even from core specialist games (like Mordheim, Dreadfleet or licensed games like Vermintide)...all of that should be up for consideration.

    So explain me his uniq gameplay, maybe I'm dumb?
    I can't undestand his uniq gameplay.

    He just buff 2 fly unit and when attack his army got +5 attack. Uniq skills end.

    Terradon poop for skink heroes buff his faction wide trait. But skinks ride onto Stegadon.

    25% vision of characters?

    Where his uniq gameplay...
    Thats unique gameplay. He buffs all flying units for Lizardmen, he gives them additional ammo for bombing, and he allows all Skink heroes to automatically start with their flying mounts unlocked alongside starting with his own flying mount on turn one.

    Which other Lizardmen LL does this?

    Compare this to Gor-Rok who would step on the toes of Kroq-Gar by buffing the same Saurus units.
    Oh i got you.

    Uniq gameplay not same as good.

    Uniq gameplay can be bad. It still uniq.

    So we had uniq gameplay that is poor and realy bad. But it uniq so thx CA.

    This what how i must feel my self? Eat **** and say thx?
  • Sir_GodspeedSir_Godspeed Registered Users Posts: 2,682

    I don't, however, like the fact that one of the primary units he is focused on buffing, Ripperdactyls, are part of a DLC and not available to the people who just want to buy the DLC but want to play Tiktaq'to. Yes, he buffs Terradons more and you can still field an army of Terradons, but it's not very realistic to have a Terradon army without Ripperdactyls. Terradons are fragile and need to be protected. And it's boring to only have one unit. I get that it's a marketing play by CA to get people to buy the DLC, and I can't complain too much since I'm buying the DLC anyway, but it rubs me the wrong way that they would create a lord that all players can use but not give everyone access to the one unit that really makes his kind of playstyle really viable. It's like when they introduced Alith Anar as a FLC, but then you have to buy the DLC to access his units, the Shadow Walkers. At least he got a unique unit to mitigate that.

    I agree with everything you said, but this bears repeating: the frustration over being given an FLC Lord whose specialty includes a DLC-only unit would have been lessened by giving that specific Lord a campaign-only buffed version of the DLC-only unit. Additionally, for TTT in particular, it would have made him more fun even with the DLC, since the Lizardmen are not exactly spoilt for choice for flying units (it's literally only two, discouting mounted skink priests).
  • AIMA_DracklorAIMA_Dracklor Registered Users Posts: 4,462

    Amonkhet said:

    Amonkhet said:

    Unique gameplay first, then Unique start position, the Lore Importance. Thats how it should be decided. So long as it came from any Army Book, White Dwarf article, Supplement book/article or Forgeworld, or even from core specialist games (like Mordheim, Dreadfleet or licensed games like Vermintide)...all of that should be up for consideration.

    So explain me his uniq gameplay, maybe I'm dumb?
    I can't undestand his uniq gameplay.

    He just buff 2 fly unit and when attack his army got +5 attack. Uniq skills end.

    Terradon poop for skink heroes buff his faction wide trait. But skinks ride onto Stegadon.

    25% vision of characters?

    Where his uniq gameplay...
    Thats unique gameplay. He buffs all flying units for Lizardmen, he gives them additional ammo for bombing, and he allows all Skink heroes to automatically start with their flying mounts unlocked alongside starting with his own flying mount on turn one.

    Which other Lizardmen LL does this?

    Compare this to Gor-Rok who would step on the toes of Kroq-Gar by buffing the same Saurus units.
    Oh i got you.

    Uniq gameplay not same as good.

    Uniq gameplay can be bad. It still uniq.

    So we had uniq gameplay that is poor and realy bad. But it uniq so thx CA.

    This what how i must feel my self? Eat **** and say thx?
    Well thats your opinion, but imo its a great playstyle


  • D3adgodsD3adgods Registered Users Posts: 64

    Amonkhet said:

    Amonkhet said:

    Unique gameplay first, then Unique start position, the Lore Importance. Thats how it should be decided. So long as it came from any Army Book, White Dwarf article, Supplement book/article or Forgeworld, or even from core specialist games (like Mordheim, Dreadfleet or licensed games like Vermintide)...all of that should be up for consideration.

    So explain me his uniq gameplay, maybe I'm dumb?
    I can't undestand his uniq gameplay.

    He just buff 2 fly unit and when attack his army got +5 attack. Uniq skills end.

    Terradon poop for skink heroes buff his faction wide trait. But skinks ride onto Stegadon.

    25% vision of characters?

    Where his uniq gameplay...
    Thats unique gameplay. He buffs all flying units for Lizardmen, he gives them additional ammo for bombing, and he allows all Skink heroes to automatically start with their flying mounts unlocked alongside starting with his own flying mount on turn one.

    Which other Lizardmen LL does this?

    Compare this to Gor-Rok who would step on the toes of Kroq-Gar by buffing the same Saurus units.
    Oh i got you.

    Uniq gameplay not same as good.

    Uniq gameplay can be bad. It still uniq.

    So we had uniq gameplay that is poor and realy bad. But it uniq so thx CA.

    This what how i must feel my self? Eat **** and say thx?
    Well thats your opinion, but imo its a great playstyle
    Apparently a lord choice that encourages doing something different then the same old stack of saurus and feral dinos will never be fun. Can't please everyone I guess.
  • ValkaarValkaar Junior Member Registered Users Posts: 2,255
    I honestly don’t even mind the Terradon/Ripperdactyl DLC thing.

    Alith Anar only one free unit for his gimmick while the other was locked behind DLC. Same with Lokhir to a certain extent (I know the Black Ark rework was free, but his thematic Kharibdyss units are not).

    ^^And TTT comes out better than those examples, because you already CANNOT field an ALL Terradon army. People keep saying that you NEED Ripperdactyls to make air viable as a critique against the DLC....except the game requires you to have at least some ground units!

    Meaning TTT was already (DLC or no DLC) going to have to mix in some ground stuff, then support from the skies, with like a 1/4 stack or 1/2 stack of air units. Just Terradons (especially with TTT’s buffs) can viably support a mixed ground/air army...which is what you’d have to do regardless since the game doesn’t allow for a 20 stack of air only. And neither Rippers nor Terradons can do the 19 stack, with one ground monster thing like Star Dragons can.

    Now, I should clarify, I DO NOT like the practice of clearly using FLC to sell DLC. I think it’s kinda disingenuous to the spirit of FLC.

    But I just keep hearing people say ‘air armies aren’t possible without Rippers’......and that particular argument isn’t technically true....neither Rippers or Terradons are Dragons...even buffed they aren’t meant to BE the army. They are meant to SUPPORT the army....which just Terradons/TTT can pull off just fine.

    If somebody REALLY wants an all air/only air combat army with Lizardmen, about the only thing I can think of would be mass Skink Chiefs...which TTT also buffs.

    TL;DR: I don’t like making FLC dependent on DLC either. But let’s not pretend that TTT can’t use air in the way most Lizardmen will use air in practice ONLY if he has Rippers. Terradons can/will work with his buffs just fine I think.
  • BoombastekBoombastek Registered Users Posts: 2,121
    edited April 2019

    Amonkhet said:

    Amonkhet said:

    Unique gameplay first, then Unique start position, the Lore Importance. Thats how it should be decided. So long as it came from any Army Book, White Dwarf article, Supplement book/article or Forgeworld, or even from core specialist games (like Mordheim, Dreadfleet or licensed games like Vermintide)...all of that should be up for consideration.

    So explain me his uniq gameplay, maybe I'm dumb?
    I can't undestand his uniq gameplay.

    He just buff 2 fly unit and when attack his army got +5 attack. Uniq skills end.

    Terradon poop for skink heroes buff his faction wide trait. But skinks ride onto Stegadon.

    25% vision of characters?

    Where his uniq gameplay...
    Thats unique gameplay. He buffs all flying units for Lizardmen, he gives them additional ammo for bombing, and he allows all Skink heroes to automatically start with their flying mounts unlocked alongside starting with his own flying mount on turn one.

    Which other Lizardmen LL does this?

    Compare this to Gor-Rok who would step on the toes of Kroq-Gar by buffing the same Saurus units.
    Oh i got you.

    Uniq gameplay not same as good.

    Uniq gameplay can be bad. It still uniq.

    So we had uniq gameplay that is poor and realy bad. But it uniq so thx CA.

    This what how i must feel my self? Eat **** and say thx?
    Well thats your opinion, but imo its a great playstyle
    Look onto ten in one.

    He got new currency, which he can spend to get buffs.

    He had 3 stage, when complete 3 you got acess to Avatar of Sotek.

    Until he complete 1 stage he had price x3 on Saurus and TG.
    What saurus? It t1 unit that had stats of t3 unit...
    Got this? You need to think what to do in early game cos your core unit is overpriced. And cos i play on VH battles difficulties it gonna be very interesting.

    Ikit Claw... I can compare Tic tak to Ikit Claw stuff. Tic tak lose in everything

    And ofc no one dare to say FLC must be worse cos it FLC. No FLC made on budget. FLC must help comunity to get secison buy dlc or not.
    Here it forced.
  • SaurianDruidSaurianDruid Registered Users Posts: 1,128
    Valkaar said:

    TL;DR: I don’t like making FLC dependent on DLC either. But let’s not pretend that TTT can’t use air in the way most Lizardmen will use air in practice ONLY if he has Rippers. Terradons can/will work with his buffs just fine I think.

    Indeed. Even without Tiktaq'to I've fielded armies with four terradon units before that were solid well into the late game. With him, and without the DLC, I'd likely bump that up to six terradons, two normal and four fireleech bolas maybe. Support them with two flying skink chiefs and Tiktaq'to to fight off enemy air units and provide Tiktaq'to's air buffs. Throw in a flying skink priest of heavens for magic support and that sweet Heavens passive to round out the air force.

    Most of my army is in the air, yet I still have room for a frontline of five saurus. Throw in some dino artillery and chameleon skink skirmishers to support my air troops against big beefy dragons and I think such a composition would be more than good enough to wreck most AI armies. Especially since Tiktaq'to means each of those terradons can drop two boulders, effectively doubling their potential anti-ground power.

    The DLC isn't absolutely vital to make Tiktaq'to work. You just need to build your ground forces to support your air force, which is something you should have already been doing anyway. Ripperdactyls just add more flexibility to your air composition.
  • AmonkhetAmonkhet Registered Users Posts: 3,141

    Amonkhet said:

    Amonkhet said:

    Unique gameplay first, then Unique start position, the Lore Importance. Thats how it should be decided. So long as it came from any Army Book, White Dwarf article, Supplement book/article or Forgeworld, or even from core specialist games (like Mordheim, Dreadfleet or licensed games like Vermintide)...all of that should be up for consideration.

    So explain me his uniq gameplay, maybe I'm dumb?
    I can't undestand his uniq gameplay.

    He just buff 2 fly unit and when attack his army got +5 attack. Uniq skills end.

    Terradon poop for skink heroes buff his faction wide trait. But skinks ride onto Stegadon.

    25% vision of characters?

    Where his uniq gameplay...
    Thats unique gameplay. He buffs all flying units for Lizardmen, he gives them additional ammo for bombing, and he allows all Skink heroes to automatically start with their flying mounts unlocked alongside starting with his own flying mount on turn one.

    Which other Lizardmen LL does this?

    Compare this to Gor-Rok who would step on the toes of Kroq-Gar by buffing the same Saurus units.
    Oh i got you.

    Uniq gameplay not same as good.

    Uniq gameplay can be bad. It still uniq.

    So we had uniq gameplay that is poor and realy bad. But it uniq so thx CA.

    This what how i must feel my self? Eat **** and say thx?
    Its likely that Gor-Rok will come eventually, so he will make it in. Its better more unique gameplay early on, even if the playstyle isnt the strongest; this isn't a competitive game and is focused on Single Player/CoOp.

    Once a faction's more unique lords are in, then we can double-up on the same lords.
  • daelin4daelin4 Senior Member Registered Users Posts: 16,510
    Salted and pickled geckos I am told are a delicacy among Norsca adventurers

    Corrected action is the most sincere form of apology.
  • Michael4537Michael4537 Registered Users Posts: 2,376

    ranking only behind Skink Priests and Slann.

    Here I put it to you, why he is the bottom list. He is rank behind "Skink Priest" meaning he is not the A class level like what you claim. He is THE BEST TERRADON RIDER. if you state it like that. I AGREE


    and here is why the other is not :
    Gor-Rok : Bigger saurus (stop saying he is Kroq Gar 2.0, he is not - he is like Grimgor and Kholek, anomaly in basic unit. just like what HULK is to Captain America. One Genetic Freak Monster (Gor-rok) and One Super Saurus OldBlood (Kroq-gar).
    you don't think so because you say he is just saurus ? Just say you don't want HULK if you have captain america, you want hawkeye the long range because they both do melee that is better argumen.

    Tetto'eko : same skink character, but the only one with throne plus future prediction ability.
    you argue TTT more unique ?? well, you argue about Falcon vs War Machine, one have skill and unique item, the other powerful unique item but the "second". same argument above, different preference

    CHAKAX : Now here is KROQ-GAR 2.0 - why because lore wise he is named temple guard. so yeah, a stronger temple guard, which is armored saurus.

    Oxyotl : a named chameleon skink - this yeah this is just buff up chameleon skink.
    Nakai : a named kroxigor - same as above


    Now with all this list : we can agree that they are all B+ Player so whoever make it in FLC should be okay right ? the thing is TTT in every list of what people want is on the bottom.
    I am not talking gameplay or everything, it is just what people want. Majority want Gor-ROK or Nakai (funny since he is non-exist actually, but move on)

    and then you have those limited slot for LL, and as you see, every single character is easy-peasy reskin with a gameplay seriously can be added by creative mind of CA.
    and yet CA pick TTT, the lower list of the most wanted and seriously reek of suspicion of upsell their DLC,

    and yeah that is why people angry.


    regarding Tretch - he is a named Chieftain hero, and he is considered B+ because he is what you call Queek 2.0, why ? because Queek is a named Warlord, and WARLORD - CHIEFTAIN is the generic melee Lord and Heroes choice.
    while Skaven has all the 4 clan leader and the ET THanquol.


    why else do you think nobody is salty with ALith ANar - named shadow warrior and Lokhir - named corsair
    because they are at least in top 3 wanted list
    He only answers to Skink Priest and Slann. So in that way, he is on par with Kroq-Gar, Gor-Rok, and Chakax. I'm pretty sure Nakai and Oxoytl don't answer to anybody though.
    I'd say, based on various polls and such that have been floating around on the forums, that Gor'Rok and Nakai are the most preferred, which doesn't necessarily Tiktaq'to is the least-preferred choice. To determine that you'd have to have people rank which LLs they want the most and then add up all the results. As far as I'm aware, nobody has done that. Which brings me back to my first statement: people obviously want their favorite Lizardmen LL in the game. But it's not like Tiktaq'to is a bad choice, or is too obscure for the lore, or doesn't offer unique gameplay, or any of that. I understand people are a bit disappointed, but I just don't get why people are getting so riled up over free content, other than what I said about the FLC being significantly tied to the DLC units.

    And CA stated that they pick the less-preferred characters for the FLCs because it is easier to match up (and sell) more well-known characters in Lord Packs, implying that we'll probably see more Lizardmen LLs in the future.
  • Michael4537Michael4537 Registered Users Posts: 2,376
    daelin4 said:

    Salted and pickled geckos I am told are a delicacy among Norsca adventurers



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