WhiteWalkers Warhammer

Gorzealion

I was watching Game of Thrones older season and Player Civ 5 GoT Mod in the same time frame when I realized

The NightKing is like a Vampire, Undead armies and all. Then I thought of the custom faction skins like Kislev bears and the Viking dwarves and thought would it be hard to make a Modded Vampire Count faction that starts in Norsca with Vampire Skins that are texture like White Walkers, Shirtless or Norsca armor, Undead Skeletons with Norsca armor and overall similar design with a few different buffs and habitable regions being colder environments.




I understand the modding community is crippled by Copyrights and business practices, but nothing about the NightKings army and design makes them unable to be made nearly identical using in game assets which is fully allowed for the engine.

Vanilla_Gorilla#8529

You could make them, buuut just about everything in Warhammer would slap them around like pinatas, and the mod would probably be insta ko'd because y'know a GoT mod in a licensed WHFB game aint gone do so well.

Xenos777

It's not like frost-aligned undead is such an original idea. Warcraft III did them before Martin. GoT world building is pretty mediocre, all in all.

doclumbago#6250

Agree with above.
If you don´t name them specifically "GRR Martin´s Wights from GoT" you´re save

The combination of Death & Cold is an awesome theme

Itharus#3127

Lord Soth says "recognize the OG".

BaronRodney#9956

Xenos7 said:

It's not like frost-aligned undead is such an original idea. Warcraft III did them before Martin. GoT world building is pretty mediocre, all in all.

A song of fire and ice predates Warcraft 3 though?

LordCommander#3741

Xenos7 said:

It's not like frost-aligned undead is such an original idea. Warcraft III did them before Martin. GoT world building is pretty mediocre, all in all.

Er… GoT predates Warcraft 3 by quite a few years.

AkiAmaz

Given the length of time he's taken writing the books it probably predates a number of people on this forum...

Vanilla_Gorilla#8529

AkiAmaz said:

Given the length of time he's taken writing the books it probably predates a number of people on this forum...

1996.

I remember reading them back when I was a little beast. It's a reminder never to read an unfinished book series.

Though I can't remember if the books ever
explicitly mentioned white walkers let alone when. Cold undead isn't exactly the most unique concept anyway, not that it's bad. Still, GW would not take kindly to it.

Itharus#3127

AkiAmaz said:

Given the length of time he's taken writing the books it probably predates a number of people on this forum...

Yeah and I honestly doubt he'll ever finish the bloody thing. HBO is doing it for him -_-

AkiAmaz

Vanilla_Gorilla said:

AkiAmaz said:

Given the length of time he's taken writing the books it probably predates a number of people on this forum...

1996.

I remember reading them back when I was a little beast. It's a reminder never to read an unfinished book series.

Though I can't remember if the books ever
explicitly mentioned white walkers let alone when. Cold undead isn't exactly the most unique concept anyway, not that it's bad. Still, GW would not take kindly to it.

It has certainly impacted my book reading strategy.

kevManiac#4754

Vanilla_Gorilla said:

AkiAmaz said:

Given the length of time he's taken writing the books it probably predates a number of people on this forum...

1996.

I remember reading them back when I was a little beast. It's a reminder never to read an unfinished book series.

Though I can't remember if the books ever
explicitly mentioned white walkers let alone when. Cold undead isn't exactly the most unique concept anyway, not that it's bad. Still, GW would not take kindly to it.

Yeah, it did influence my reading style as well. Wouldn't want to read an unfinished series. On the other hand, there is a probability that Martin won't finish the series, given his age and health. And then I've never read the series...

And in the books, the Others (as they are called in the books) are mentioned, but I believe in such a way that we have no idea what or who controls them. This Night King stuff is made up by the tv series (iirc).

DerpyRoxas

Why choose zombie chaffs if you have already CHAOS?

Steppelord

Xenos7 said:

It's not like frost-aligned undead is such an original idea. Warcraft III did them before Martin. GoT world building is pretty mediocre, all in all.

Idk Martin tries to make his world quite realistic. Like the opposite of warhammer, its quite low fantasy.

Its a different kind of fantasy than warhammer, but his worldbuilding isn't bad. His characters are just more important.

Sir_Godspeed#8395

I wouldn't let some copyright mumbo jumbo stop you - just don't use "Game of Thrones" anywhere in the title of the mod, and don't reference Westeros.

Just make a cool mod with Frost Vampires and Frost Wights, Barbarian Zombies, Undead Giants and badda-bing badda-bom.

Xenos777

LordCommander said:

Xenos7 said:

It's not like frost-aligned undead is such an original idea. Warcraft III did them before Martin. GoT world building is pretty mediocre, all in all.

Er… GoT predates Warcraft 3 by quite a few years.

Not the white walkers, I think. They were introduced in later books, or probably even in the series. At first there were only the Others, they didn't appear as actual creatures, just a legend.

Itharus#3127

Lord Soth was 1985. Just sayin'. Enjoy your ice wall.

Sir_Godspeed#8395

Itharus said:

Lord Soth was 1985. Just sayin'. Enjoy your ice wall.

The Witch king of Angmar was 1954, so eh.

kevManiac#4754

Xenos7 said:

LordCommander said:

Xenos7 said:

It's not like frost-aligned undead is such an original idea. Warcraft III did them before Martin. GoT world building is pretty mediocre, all in all.

Er… GoT predates Warcraft 3 by quite a few years.

Not the white walkers, I think. They were introduced in later books, or probably even in the series. At first there were only the Others, they didn't appear as actual creatures, just a legend.

I believe the first chapter of the first book was about a character getting killed by an undead creature with blue eyes.
But the Night King and tbe frost-theme was later I believe...

Tayvar

doclumbago said:

Agree with above.
If you don´t name them specifically "GRR Martin´s Wights from GoT" you´re save

The combination of Death & Cold is an awesome theme

The trope for that is called 'evil is deathly cold', and corpses tend to be cold by default after all.

Xenos777

Ingr8 said:

Xenos7 said:

It's not like frost-aligned undead is such an original idea. Warcraft III did them before Martin. GoT world building is pretty mediocre, all in all.

Love this comment... so a book series that started and was published in 1996 ripped off a game released in 2002?!? Really?!?

From our old friends at wikipedia:

Martin introduces the Others in the prologue of A Game of Thrones (1996), describing them as "Tall ... and gaunt and hard as old bones, with flesh pale as milk" with eyes "deeper and bluer than any human eyes, a blue that burned like ice". Accompanied by intense cold, they wear armor that "seemed to change color as it moved", and wield thin crystal swords capable of shattering steel. The Others move silently, and they speak their own language; Martin writes that their voices are "like the cracking of ice on a winter lake".[4] In A Storm of Swords (2000), they are shown to be vulnerable to weapons made of dragonglass (obsidian),[5] as Samwell Tarly kills one this way

How dare he rip this off a subsequent game! I call plagiarism!

Yep, I stand corrected them. I didn't remember them being described before A Dance with Dragons. Still, their current white walkers incarnation is very different from the original Others idea, which was more Sidhe than Undead. The current one is very warcraft-y, completed with a lich king.

LordCommander#3741

Xenos7 said:

LordCommander said:

Xenos7 said:

It's not like frost-aligned undead is such an original idea. Warcraft III did them before Martin. GoT world building is pretty mediocre, all in all.

Er… GoT predates Warcraft 3 by quite a few years.

Not the white walkers, I think. They were introduced in later books, or probably even in the series. At first there were only the Others, they didn't appear as actual creatures, just a legend.

Three books had been released by the time of Warcraft 3 so that seems altogether unlikely. In book three Samwell Tarly kills a white walker, so...

Helhound#7332

The connection to Winter and Death is not unique to any particular modern media. Even Lord of The Rings. But in GoTs particular case there is one association several throusand years older that may as well be considered the same story.

Fimbulwinter heralded the coming of Ragnarok. Fimbulwinter is an apocalyptic coming of endless night and frost. Where frost giants roam and Loki breaks free his chains to seek revenge. Step one of Ragnarok. Sound familiar? Norse mythology had the whole winter is coming thing down several thousand years ago. Niflheim, the world of fog, cold, darkness, and ice, became the domain of Hel, who ruled the dead who did not die a heroic death. Niflheims opposite, and the other elemental foundation of creation, was Mulspelheim, a realm of endless fire. Song of Fire and Ice? The story so heavily borrows from Norse Mythology it's borderline theft.

Tayvar

baronblack said:

Why choose zombie chaffs if you have already CHAOS?

You also already have the Vampires and Nagash, but the main threat to the Warhammer's World is Chaos, even most of the Undead Forces find themselves fighting against Chaos in the End Times.

Itharus#3127

Sir_Godspeed said:

Itharus said:

Lord Soth was 1985. Just sayin'. Enjoy your ice wall.

The Witch king of Angmar was 1954, so eh.

Did he do the cold thing? I don't recall.

Sir_Godspeed#8395

Itharus said:

Sir_Godspeed said:

Itharus said:

Lord Soth was 1985. Just sayin'. Enjoy your ice wall.

The Witch king of Angmar was 1954, so eh.

Did he do the cold thing? I don't recall.

Sort of.... He brought down the Fell Winter over Arthedain, which killed off much of the population. Then came down with an army of Hill-men, orcs, trolls, etc. He then made wraiths possess the dead Arnorian kings in the Barrow Mounds, and turned them into an undead army of wights.

It's not right on the money, but most of the factors are there.

TheShiroOfDalton

Steppelord said:

Xenos7 said:

It's not like frost-aligned undead is such an original idea. Warcraft III did them before Martin. GoT world building is pretty mediocre, all in all.

Idk Martin tries to make his world quite realistic. Like the opposite of warhammer, its quite low fantasy.

Its a different kind of fantasy than warhammer, but his worldbuilding isn't bad. His characters are just more important.

There's an in-universe reason for the low-key fantasy elements, the death of all dragons has caused all the magical stuff to ebb. Dany birthing hers is slowly bringing the magic as well and that's also commented on by the characters in the story.

PraiseSigmaw

Itharus said:

Lord Soth was 1985. Just sayin'. Enjoy your ice wall.

One of the best Dragonlance (and D&D in general) villains.