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In the first age, in the first battle...when the Three Kingdoms lengthened first, one stood...

Gotrek_BeastslayerGotrek_Beastslayer Posts: 1,335Registered Users
"In the first age, in the first battle...when the Three Kingdoms lengthened first, one stood.

...He chose the path of perpetual torment against NSFW stuff.

In his honorable hatred he found no peace and with boiling cold-blood he scoured the Lustria plains, seeking vengeance against China who had wronged Grace.

...And those that tasted the bite of his Stegadon named him...


...THE WAIFU SLAYER"



---> kay' this is both a humor thread and a thread "against" those Reddit users who had harrased Grace with asinine 3K-NSFW pics. Something like that...something so stupid...never happened before. Not that i remember.

Asinine Mortals!





WH Novels:

- Vampire Wars: The Von Carstein Trilogy: 10/10
- Gilead's Blood: 8/10
- Riders of the Dead: 9/10
- Empire in Chaos: 9/10
- Mark of Damnation: 7.5/10
- Mark of Heresy: 7/10
- G&F: Trollslayer: 6.5/10
- G&F: Skavenslayer: 9.5/10
- G&F: Daemonslayer: 10/10
- G&F: Dragonslayer: 8/10
- G&F: Beastslayer: 8.5/10
- G&F: Vampireslayer: 7/10
- G&F: Giantslayer: 7.5/10
- The Chronicles of Malus Darkblade vol. one: 8.5/10
- Drachenfels: 6.5/10
- Genevìeve Undead: 7.5/10
- Silver Nails: 9.5/10
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  • ReeksReeks Posts: 2,168Registered Users
    #WhatIsRedditWaifuDebacle

    Please enlighten us plebs who do not venture to the darkside called reddit oh mighty one!
  • Gotrek_BeastslayerGotrek_Beastslayer Posts: 1,335Registered Users
    Reeks said:

    #WhatIsRedditWaifuDebacle

    Please enlighten us plebs who do not venture to the darkside called reddit oh mighty one!


    I can actually show ya:


    https://www.reddit.com/r/totalwar/comments/c2f4e3/where_is_the_halfnaked_sun_ren_here_is_the/erjndnj/?context=3

    Basically, when 3K's popularity reached its climax, several NSFW posts (basically Rated M contents) and Waifu posts about a certain 3K-character (named Sun Ren) engulfed TW subreddit for a considerable amount of time. And after the umpteenth NSFW post (half porn i guess), that was not locked nor covered by mods in time, that's what happened...




    WH Novels:

    - Vampire Wars: The Von Carstein Trilogy: 10/10
    - Gilead's Blood: 8/10
    - Riders of the Dead: 9/10
    - Empire in Chaos: 9/10
    - Mark of Damnation: 7.5/10
    - Mark of Heresy: 7/10
    - G&F: Trollslayer: 6.5/10
    - G&F: Skavenslayer: 9.5/10
    - G&F: Daemonslayer: 10/10
    - G&F: Dragonslayer: 8/10
    - G&F: Beastslayer: 8.5/10
    - G&F: Vampireslayer: 7/10
    - G&F: Giantslayer: 7.5/10
    - The Chronicles of Malus Darkblade vol. one: 8.5/10
    - Drachenfels: 6.5/10
    - Genevìeve Undead: 7.5/10
    - Silver Nails: 9.5/10
  • neodeinosneodeinos Posts: 2,585Registered Users

    Reeks said:

    #WhatIsRedditWaifuDebacle

    Please enlighten us plebs who do not venture to the darkside called reddit oh mighty one!


    I can actually show ya:


    https://www.reddit.com/r/totalwar/comments/c2f4e3/where_is_the_halfnaked_sun_ren_here_is_the/erjndnj/?context=3

    Basically, when 3K's popularity reached its climax, several NSFW posts (basically Rated M contents) and Waifu posts about a certain 3K-character (named Sun Ren) engulfed TW subreddit for a considerable amount of time. And after the umpteenth NSFW post (half porn i guess), that was not locked nor covered by mods in time, that's what happened...
    And Grace was uncomfortable with that which itself is fine. But she complained about it on her professional account and said she'll just take a break from the Reddit which is imo, very unprofessional. Being here is your job and as in any jobs there will be things you don't like but it doesn't mean that you have to stop doing your job.
    It's not like it's going to make a difference anyway, she was already useless.
  • Chocolate_RainChocolate_Rain Posts: 482Registered Users
    LOL at the meme, this was pretty fun. I always love your version of earth buster Mazdamundi!
    neodeinos said:

    Reeks said:

    #WhatIsRedditWaifuDebacle

    Please enlighten us plebs who do not venture to the darkside called reddit oh mighty one!


    I can actually show ya:


    https://www.reddit.com/r/totalwar/comments/c2f4e3/where_is_the_halfnaked_sun_ren_here_is_the/erjndnj/?context=3

    Basically, when 3K's popularity reached its climax, several NSFW posts (basically Rated M contents) and Waifu posts about a certain 3K-character (named Sun Ren) engulfed TW subreddit for a considerable amount of time. And after the umpteenth NSFW post (half porn i guess), that was not locked nor covered by mods in time, that's what happened...
    And Grace was uncomfortable with that which itself is fine. But she complained about it on her professional account and said she'll just take a break from the Reddit which is imo, very unprofessional. Being here is your job and as in any jobs there will be things you don't like but it doesn't mean that you have to stop doing your job.
    It's not like it's going to make a difference anyway, she was already useless.
    I know that her reaction was a bit unprofessional, but for **** sake! Reddit is not supposed to be a porn site like Rule 34 or crap like that. And without Grace we won't get informations about Warhammer future contents or leaks. Goddamn these 3K fanboys. This was never happened with Total War: Warhammer...and Warhammer has girls like Morathi, Alarielle and even Slaanesh Heretics.
  • SchwarzhelmSchwarzhelm Posts: 931Registered Users

    Reeks said:

    #WhatIsRedditWaifuDebacle

    Please enlighten us plebs who do not venture to the darkside called reddit oh mighty one!


    I can actually show ya:


    https://www.reddit.com/r/totalwar/comments/c2f4e3/where_is_the_halfnaked_sun_ren_here_is_the/erjndnj/?context=3

    Basically, when 3K's popularity reached its climax, several NSFW posts (basically Rated M contents) and Waifu posts about a certain 3K-character (named Sun Ren) engulfed TW subreddit for a considerable amount of time. And after the umpteenth NSFW post (half porn i guess), that was not locked nor covered by mods in time, that's what happened...
    Hey, this is our chance!
    If we behave and act extra nice we may be able to get Grace back.

    And please take my like, I can't get enough of the **** off Mazdamundi meme. :-D
  • neodeinosneodeinos Posts: 2,585Registered Users

    LOL at the meme, this was pretty fun. I always love your version of earth buster Mazdamundi!

    neodeinos said:

    Reeks said:

    #WhatIsRedditWaifuDebacle

    Please enlighten us plebs who do not venture to the darkside called reddit oh mighty one!


    I can actually show ya:


    https://www.reddit.com/r/totalwar/comments/c2f4e3/where_is_the_halfnaked_sun_ren_here_is_the/erjndnj/?context=3

    Basically, when 3K's popularity reached its climax, several NSFW posts (basically Rated M contents) and Waifu posts about a certain 3K-character (named Sun Ren) engulfed TW subreddit for a considerable amount of time. And after the umpteenth NSFW post (half porn i guess), that was not locked nor covered by mods in time, that's what happened...
    And Grace was uncomfortable with that which itself is fine. But she complained about it on her professional account and said she'll just take a break from the Reddit which is imo, very unprofessional. Being here is your job and as in any jobs there will be things you don't like but it doesn't mean that you have to stop doing your job.
    It's not like it's going to make a difference anyway, she was already useless.
    I know that her reaction was a bit unprofessional, but for **** sake! Reddit is not supposed to be a porn site like Rule 34 or crap like that. And without Grace we won't get informations about Warhammer future contents or leaks. Goddamn these 3K fanboys. This was never happened with Total War: Warhammer...and Warhammer has girls like Morathi, Alarielle and even Slaanesh Heretics.
    I'm not saying these posts shouldn't be removed. I'm glad they are, they have nothing to do on this Reddit. I was only pointing out the bad reaction of Grace here. And yes, she posts the news but as soon as CA doesn't have something to sell us they community managers disappear, only to post a comment on a meme sometimes.
  • FenristhegreatFenristhegreat Member Posts: 408Registered Users
    neodeinos said:

    Reeks said:

    #WhatIsRedditWaifuDebacle

    Please enlighten us plebs who do not venture to the darkside called reddit oh mighty one!


    I can actually show ya:


    https://www.reddit.com/r/totalwar/comments/c2f4e3/where_is_the_halfnaked_sun_ren_here_is_the/erjndnj/?context=3

    Basically, when 3K's popularity reached its climax, several NSFW posts (basically Rated M contents) and Waifu posts about a certain 3K-character (named Sun Ren) engulfed TW subreddit for a considerable amount of time. And after the umpteenth NSFW post (half porn i guess), that was not locked nor covered by mods in time, that's what happened...
    And Grace was uncomfortable with that which itself is fine. But she complained about it on her professional account and said she'll just take a break from the Reddit which is imo, very unprofessional. Being here is your job and as in any jobs there will be things you don't like but it doesn't mean that you have to stop doing your job.
    It's not like it's going to make a difference anyway, she was already useless.
    Have to say I find this bizarre as well. When I got my cleaning job at a supermarket I never expected to have to clean up excrement off the top of toilet roll dispensers, out of the urinals, off the walls, and out of the sinks, and yet I have had to do all those things unpleasant though they are. I don't get to say, 'you know what, I'm not going to do my job for a while because I don't like some aspects of it...'. As I say bizarre, some people don't know they're born.
  • FenristhegreatFenristhegreat Member Posts: 408Registered Users
    ChrisTW said:

    neodeinos said:

    Reeks said:

    #WhatIsRedditWaifuDebacle

    Please enlighten us plebs who do not venture to the darkside called reddit oh mighty one!


    I can actually show ya:


    https://www.reddit.com/r/totalwar/comments/c2f4e3/where_is_the_halfnaked_sun_ren_here_is_the/erjndnj/?context=3

    Basically, when 3K's popularity reached its climax, several NSFW posts (basically Rated M contents) and Waifu posts about a certain 3K-character (named Sun Ren) engulfed TW subreddit for a considerable amount of time. And after the umpteenth NSFW post (half porn i guess), that was not locked nor covered by mods in time, that's what happened...
    And Grace was uncomfortable with that which itself is fine. But she complained about it on her professional account and said she'll just take a break from the Reddit which is imo, very unprofessional. Being here is your job and as in any jobs there will be things you don't like but it doesn't mean that you have to stop doing your job.
    It's not like it's going to make a difference anyway, she was already useless.
    Have to say I find this bizarre as well. When I got my cleaning job at a supermarket I never expected to have to clean up excrement off the top of toilet roll dispensers, out of the urinals, off the walls, and out of the sinks, and yet I have had to do all those things unpleasant though they are. I don't get to say, 'you know what, I'm not going to do my job for a while because I don't like some aspects of it...'. As I say bizarre, some people don't know they're born.
    ah yea.. student reasoning.

    i guess i could give an "A" for reasoning along. an "F" for the example and i would like to include a suggestion of checking out regular community contracts and how they are drawn and a search for similair behaviour by both , so called ca players and ca community managers dear @Fenristhegreat
    You couldn't explain what you mean a little clearer could you? My student reasoning clearly isn't up to snuff.
  • ReeksReeks Posts: 2,168Registered Users

    Reeks said:

    #WhatIsRedditWaifuDebacle

    Please enlighten us plebs who do not venture to the darkside called reddit oh mighty one!


    I can actually show ya:


    https://www.reddit.com/r/totalwar/comments/c2f4e3/where_is_the_halfnaked_sun_ren_here_is_the/erjndnj/?context=3

    Basically, when 3K's popularity reached its climax, several NSFW posts (basically Rated M contents) and Waifu posts about a certain 3K-character (named Sun Ren) engulfed TW subreddit for a considerable amount of time. And after the umpteenth NSFW post (half porn i guess), that was not locked nor covered by mods in time, that's what happened...
    Soooo 3Kingdoms fans wanted 3Lovedoms and Grace was like



    Kk got it thanks!
  • ReeksReeks Posts: 2,168Registered Users
    Btw you made me click a reddit link Gotrek......

  • Sir_GodspeedSir_Godspeed Posts: 1,832Registered Users
    Yeah, this thread is going to get closed pretty soo, I'd imagine.
  • neodeinosneodeinos Posts: 2,585Registered Users
    ChrisTW said:

    Where do you get the idea her opinion is unprofesional ?

    Or better said where do you get the idea that you can be the judge of her behaviour. Its is a bit sickening to see how fanatic this sometimes part ca crew responds to girls.. we all like girls but lets leave it at that. The other post roaming around on this group could be considered a graphical rape of "......."

    She represents the company she can't just come and say that the official presence will be reduced because of her PERSONNAL opinion on the matter. If she can't stand something in her job why not just quit then ? You don't have to judge her to understand that it's not professional.
  • FenristhegreatFenristhegreat Member Posts: 408Registered Users
    ChrisTW said:
    This article makes no reference as to why it is professional or acceptable for Grace to say she wont perform her functions for a while, indeed, to some extent it argues the opposite. I quote from the article you linked me to :

    "However, the most important factor community management, on any platform, is often just being there. Regardless of how toxic a specific part of the community has become, she said, it isn't necessarily a lost cause. Showing that the studio has someone there, to listen, to respond"

    "Otherwise it's like a school when the teacher doesn't show up. It's going to turn into chaos."
  • neodeinosneodeinos Posts: 2,585Registered Users
    edited June 2019
    ChrisTW said:

    neodeinos said:

    ChrisTW said:

    Where do you get the idea her opinion is unprofesional ?

    Or better said where do you get the idea that you can be the judge of her behaviour. Its is a bit sickening to see how fanatic this sometimes part ca crew responds to girls.. we all like girls but lets leave it at that. The other post roaming around on this group could be considered a graphical rape of "......."

    She represents the company she can't just come and say that the official presence will be reduced because of her PERSONNAL opinion on the matter. If she can't stand something in her job why not just quit then ? You don't have to judge her to understand that it's not professional.
    Well there are a lot of ways i can respond to this reaction, i could say for one that reddit is not the entirity of her spectrum of community engagements, i could point out she only states she needs a break, i can state that it is her perogitive that she is not forced to move in toxic enviroments but i won't actually

    i can only conclude from your form of reasoning you lack knowledge and i'm not the one who should be learning you the do's and don'ts ....:p
    Ah, yes. The typical "I know better than you and you're wrong".

    ChrisTW said:
    This article makes no reference as to why it is professional or acceptable for Grace to say she wont perform her functions for a while, indeed, to some extent it argues the opposite. I quote from the article you linked me to :

    "However, the most important factor community management, on any platform, is often just being there. Regardless of how toxic a specific part of the community has become, she said, it isn't necessarily a lost cause. Showing that the studio has someone there, to listen, to respond"

    "Otherwise it's like a school when the teacher doesn't show up. It's going to turn into chaos."
    Funny she says that she needs to be present knowing how CA is good at ignoring the community.
  • LudboneLudbone Posts: 1,158Registered Users
    Doom reference?! Mundi dropping a meteor on 3K fans?! You have gained my upvote.
    Beastmen: where is the love?


  • adjungadjung Posts: 212Registered Users
    neodeinos said:

    Reeks said:

    #WhatIsRedditWaifuDebacle

    Please enlighten us plebs who do not venture to the darkside called reddit oh mighty one!


    I can actually show ya:


    https://www.reddit.com/r/totalwar/comments/c2f4e3/where_is_the_halfnaked_sun_ren_here_is_the/erjndnj/?context=3

    Basically, when 3K's popularity reached its climax, several NSFW posts (basically Rated M contents) and Waifu posts about a certain 3K-character (named Sun Ren) engulfed TW subreddit for a considerable amount of time. And after the umpteenth NSFW post (half porn i guess), that was not locked nor covered by mods in time, that's what happened...
    And Grace was uncomfortable with that which itself is fine. But she complained about it on her professional account and said she'll just take a break from the Reddit which is imo, very unprofessional. Being here is your job and as in any jobs there will be things you don't like but it doesn't mean that you have to stop doing your job.
    It's not like it's going to make a difference anyway, she was already useless.
    I agree. People are quick to throw words around like "toxic communities" and "sexism", and while I despise both of these things, these big words mean nothing without context. So, what's the context? A community manager decides to stay off reddit because someone posted questionable "erotic" stuff about a historical person. How can this be offensive to anyone? It's not even about Grace specifically. It's not a personal attack. She decides to be offended about some prepubescent erotic fantasies about a historical person who happens to be female as well. Where is the personal connection that would justify feeling offended and blaming all the people who didn't post any such content?

    What a professional person would have done: Delete the problematic content and focus on the actual playerbase who's interested in their games for the games' sake.

    What she decided to do: Throw a fit and blame everyone.

    How utterly unprofessional.


    Forward onto Slaughter.
  • ValkaarValkaar Junior Member Posts: 1,908Registered Users
    edited June 2019
    Yeah, while I am very sympathetic to Grace in this particular instance, I have to agree that taking a break off Reddit entirely seems like a step too far.

    I 100% believe/agree that all versions of 'customer service employees'...which in a way, Grace is, in addition to also being a 'marketing' employee, have to put up with WAY too much crap....there are more moderate solutions.

    So like, for example, I used to work at a hotel. Several of the front desk employees, including myself had to constantly deal with rude, stupid, helpless, bureaucratic, and otherwise just terrible customers. Putting up with that to a certain extent IS just part of the job.

    Now, there are other instances....where the 'terrible customer crap' DOES go too far. I can remember one instance where a male customer put his telephone number on a keycard envelope, and slid it down a female employee's shirt. WAAAY not cool. So what we did do, we contacted that individual's company and told them he was no longer allowed to stay at our hotel. Essentially 'banning' him. The female employee herself, I honestly wouldn't have been opposed if she called the police, but in this particular instance she did not.

    But what the employee DID NOT DO!!! Was just instantly quit her job, and just say, 'okay I'll be back in 3 months when I feel better'. I actually think on that specific day she did ask if her shift replacement could come in a little early since she wasn't feeling comfortable, which her replacement did...but she didn't just abandon the desk.

    Now....whether or not these reddit-waifu users are just standard 'terrible customers'...or whether what they were doing is escalated to the next standard of 'truly unacceptable' is up for some subjective debate. But that's sort of besides the point...the point is...even if it crosses into the territory of 'truly unacceptable'.....there are way more professional responses than just 'abandoning the desk' or 'temporarily quitting'.

    She could focus on getting those users banned/their posts removed by getting Reddit moderators involved. She could announce that Ella, or a more junior community manager would be taking over that particular sector until the toxicity died down. Heck, she could have even said that she would no longer would visit THAT PARTICULAR subreddit....while still remaining active on Reddit in general, rather than abandoning Reddit entirely.

    TL;DR:.....I get that these guys were being jack-asses. In general, I honestly hate that such a high percentage of customers in all sectors of life feel compelled to be such idiotic jack-asses. But there are middle ground solutions between 'just sucking it up'....and 'entirely abandoning your post'. And I feel like in this particular case, Grace honestly should have pursued one of those middle-ground solutions.
  • NyxilisNyxilis Posts: 3,352Registered Users

    neodeinos said:

    Reeks said:

    #WhatIsRedditWaifuDebacle

    Please enlighten us plebs who do not venture to the darkside called reddit oh mighty one!


    I can actually show ya:


    https://www.reddit.com/r/totalwar/comments/c2f4e3/where_is_the_halfnaked_sun_ren_here_is_the/erjndnj/?context=3

    Basically, when 3K's popularity reached its climax, several NSFW posts (basically Rated M contents) and Waifu posts about a certain 3K-character (named Sun Ren) engulfed TW subreddit for a considerable amount of time. And after the umpteenth NSFW post (half porn i guess), that was not locked nor covered by mods in time, that's what happened...
    And Grace was uncomfortable with that which itself is fine. But she complained about it on her professional account and said she'll just take a break from the Reddit which is imo, very unprofessional. Being here is your job and as in any jobs there will be things you don't like but it doesn't mean that you have to stop doing your job.
    It's not like it's going to make a difference anyway, she was already useless.
    Have to say I find this bizarre as well. When I got my cleaning job at a supermarket I never expected to have to clean up excrement off the top of toilet roll dispensers, out of the urinals, off the walls, and out of the sinks, and yet I have had to do all those things unpleasant though they are. I don't get to say, 'you know what, I'm not going to do my job for a while because I don't like some aspects of it...'. As I say bizarre, some people don't know they're born.
    Except this is not a good analogy at all. It would be more akin to people coming into your store with offensive t-shirts, signs, or openly talking about topics that make you troubled. To which the majority of companies I've ever worked for allow us to block, ban, or call the police to have them removed. And yeah, even the grocery store I worked for in my teens would throw people out for wearing shirts with nudity.

    This was the actual standard by most people operating by. She doesn't have to work with Reddit, it's not an official forum. They have the luxury of getting the responses there. And they didn't have the rules that most other official game forums with regard to NSFW. When I told my spouse about the controversy first words out of their mouth was. "They didn't have like.. the most basic or rules?"

    And now, a bunch of whiny, bitchy, self entitled otakus want to tell Grace what she should or should not be insulted by. Demanding she shift through porn that wouldn't have a place in the majority of official threads. Whining they should be allowed to just shove porn in people's faces. Go do that in the street and wait for the cops to come. The only thing that shielded those people was it was on a private forum that is free to make it's own rules. And the moderators made their own rules.

    Booo hoooo hoooooo, I can't find porn on the internet. Booooo hoooo hoooo hooo.
  • FenristhegreatFenristhegreat Member Posts: 408Registered Users
    Nyxilis said:

    neodeinos said:

    Reeks said:

    #WhatIsRedditWaifuDebacle

    Please enlighten us plebs who do not venture to the darkside called reddit oh mighty one!


    I can actually show ya:


    https://www.reddit.com/r/totalwar/comments/c2f4e3/where_is_the_halfnaked_sun_ren_here_is_the/erjndnj/?context=3

    Basically, when 3K's popularity reached its climax, several NSFW posts (basically Rated M contents) and Waifu posts about a certain 3K-character (named Sun Ren) engulfed TW subreddit for a considerable amount of time. And after the umpteenth NSFW post (half porn i guess), that was not locked nor covered by mods in time, that's what happened...
    And Grace was uncomfortable with that which itself is fine. But she complained about it on her professional account and said she'll just take a break from the Reddit which is imo, very unprofessional. Being here is your job and as in any jobs there will be things you don't like but it doesn't mean that you have to stop doing your job.
    It's not like it's going to make a difference anyway, she was already useless.
    Have to say I find this bizarre as well. When I got my cleaning job at a supermarket I never expected to have to clean up excrement off the top of toilet roll dispensers, out of the urinals, off the walls, and out of the sinks, and yet I have had to do all those things unpleasant though they are. I don't get to say, 'you know what, I'm not going to do my job for a while because I don't like some aspects of it...'. As I say bizarre, some people don't know they're born.
    Except this is not a good analogy at all. It would be more akin to people coming into your store with offensive t-shirts, signs, or openly talking about topics that make you troubled. To which the majority of companies I've ever worked for allow us to block, ban, or call the police to have them removed. And yeah, even the grocery store I worked for in my teens would throw people out for wearing shirts with nudity.

    This was the actual standard by most people operating by. She doesn't have to work with Reddit, it's not an official forum. They have the luxury of getting the responses there. And they didn't have the rules that most other official game forums with regard to NSFW. When I told my spouse about the controversy first words out of their mouth was. "They didn't have like.. the most basic or rules?"

    And now, a bunch of whiny, bitchy, self entitled otakus want to tell Grace what she should or should not be insulted by. Demanding she shift through porn that wouldn't have a place in the majority of official threads. Whining they should be allowed to just shove porn in people's faces. Go do that in the street and wait for the cops to come. The only thing that shielded those people was it was on a private forum that is free to make it's own rules. And the moderators made their own rules.

    Booo hoooo hoooooo, I can't find porn on the internet. Booooo hoooo hoooo hooo.
    Your argument has merit. I had assumed the Total War reddit was administered by CA and therefore they had an ability to moderate the content. Is this not the case? Genuine question, I am old and don't reddit.

    If she has no ability to moderate it, then leaving it is fair as she can't presumably manage all the forums that exist dedicated to total war games, albeit it could have perhaps been handled in a better manner.

    If CA have an ability to moderate it, then as far as I can see it falls under her jurisdiction to act to moderate the community, in much the way that in the analogy you provide someone working in the store in which someone 'offensive' enters would still have to engage with the offense material in order to remove it.
  • Xenos7Xenos7 Posts: 5,174Registered Users
    neodeinos said:

    Reeks said:

    #WhatIsRedditWaifuDebacle

    Please enlighten us plebs who do not venture to the darkside called reddit oh mighty one!


    I can actually show ya:


    https://www.reddit.com/r/totalwar/comments/c2f4e3/where_is_the_halfnaked_sun_ren_here_is_the/erjndnj/?context=3

    Basically, when 3K's popularity reached its climax, several NSFW posts (basically Rated M contents) and Waifu posts about a certain 3K-character (named Sun Ren) engulfed TW subreddit for a considerable amount of time. And after the umpteenth NSFW post (half porn i guess), that was not locked nor covered by mods in time, that's what happened...
    And Grace was uncomfortable with that which itself is fine. But she complained about it on her professional account and said she'll just take a break from the Reddit which is imo, very unprofessional. Being here is your job and as in any jobs there will be things you don't like but it doesn't mean that you have to stop doing your job.
    It's not like it's going to make a difference anyway, she was already useless.
    Well, she's a person first and a community manager later. She isn't paid to put up with toxic sexism not related to gaming.
  • NyxilisNyxilis Posts: 3,352Registered Users

    Nyxilis said:

    neodeinos said:

    Reeks said:

    #WhatIsRedditWaifuDebacle

    Please enlighten us plebs who do not venture to the darkside called reddit oh mighty one!


    I can actually show ya:


    https://www.reddit.com/r/totalwar/comments/c2f4e3/where_is_the_halfnaked_sun_ren_here_is_the/erjndnj/?context=3

    Basically, when 3K's popularity reached its climax, several NSFW posts (basically Rated M contents) and Waifu posts about a certain 3K-character (named Sun Ren) engulfed TW subreddit for a considerable amount of time. And after the umpteenth NSFW post (half porn i guess), that was not locked nor covered by mods in time, that's what happened...
    And Grace was uncomfortable with that which itself is fine. But she complained about it on her professional account and said she'll just take a break from the Reddit which is imo, very unprofessional. Being here is your job and as in any jobs there will be things you don't like but it doesn't mean that you have to stop doing your job.
    It's not like it's going to make a difference anyway, she was already useless.
    Have to say I find this bizarre as well. When I got my cleaning job at a supermarket I never expected to have to clean up excrement off the top of toilet roll dispensers, out of the urinals, off the walls, and out of the sinks, and yet I have had to do all those things unpleasant though they are. I don't get to say, 'you know what, I'm not going to do my job for a while because I don't like some aspects of it...'. As I say bizarre, some people don't know they're born.
    Except this is not a good analogy at all. It would be more akin to people coming into your store with offensive t-shirts, signs, or openly talking about topics that make you troubled. To which the majority of companies I've ever worked for allow us to block, ban, or call the police to have them removed. And yeah, even the grocery store I worked for in my teens would throw people out for wearing shirts with nudity.

    This was the actual standard by most people operating by. She doesn't have to work with Reddit, it's not an official forum. They have the luxury of getting the responses there. And they didn't have the rules that most other official game forums with regard to NSFW. When I told my spouse about the controversy first words out of their mouth was. "They didn't have like.. the most basic or rules?"

    And now, a bunch of whiny, bitchy, self entitled otakus want to tell Grace what she should or should not be insulted by. Demanding she shift through porn that wouldn't have a place in the majority of official threads. Whining they should be allowed to just shove porn in people's faces. Go do that in the street and wait for the cops to come. The only thing that shielded those people was it was on a private forum that is free to make it's own rules. And the moderators made their own rules.

    Booo hoooo hoooooo, I can't find porn on the internet. Booooo hoooo hoooo hooo.
    Your argument has merit. I had assumed the Total War reddit was administered by CA and therefore they had an ability to moderate the content. Is this not the case? Genuine question, I am old and don't reddit.

    If she has no ability to moderate it, then leaving it is fair as she can't presumably manage all the forums that exist dedicated to total war games, albeit it could have perhaps been handled in a better manner.

    If CA have an ability to moderate it, then as far as I can see it falls under her jurisdiction to act to moderate the community, in much the way that in the analogy you provide someone working in the store in which someone 'offensive' enters would still have to engage with the offense material in order to remove it.
    No, most of your different areas of Reddit are called subreddits. They are owned by whomever really was the first one to make it. Abandoned ones can be claimed but they have to actually be abandoned. This has lead to some weird things. So CA does not own, or operate this forum. The original claimers and the people who they've chosen to moderate it do.

    CA doesn't have to be there, it's a luxury that they are. And it's one that all those complainers can very much lose. You think CA's staff is going to back people demanding the right to put pornography in her face vs her? Nah, they'll lose, that subreddit can lose all the official take.

    Now, the owners of the subreddit have said they were already getting complaints on this from regular posters. Since most subreddits that operate as official lines already ban all of this, especially those that the companies show actual support and participation in. It really wasn't a stretch to ban this, especially at the hint of losing it. They claim it was a catalyst but not the cause. Either way? I don't care, they want to protect official company participation, darn right I'd ban a bunch of pornography posters. Whatever, I could give a flying flip darn about that bunch of nobodies versus having the actual company.

    Also, even then, Grace has every friggen right to make complaints about that line of content. She has every friggen right not to want to post there on a weekend. She has the right to say it makes her uncomfortable. People saying otherwise need to go right now to their actual mothers and say. "Hey, is it okay to have a woman complain about me shoving porn in her face?" And hope your own mother doesn't slap you upside the head for being that friggen dumb and ignorant on basic decency.
  • FenristhegreatFenristhegreat Member Posts: 408Registered Users
    Nyxilis said:

    Nyxilis said:

    neodeinos said:

    Reeks said:

    #WhatIsRedditWaifuDebacle

    Please enlighten us plebs who do not venture to the darkside called reddit oh mighty one!


    I can actually show ya:


    https://www.reddit.com/r/totalwar/comments/c2f4e3/where_is_the_halfnaked_sun_ren_here_is_the/erjndnj/?context=3

    Basically, when 3K's popularity reached its climax, several NSFW posts (basically Rated M contents) and Waifu posts about a certain 3K-character (named Sun Ren) engulfed TW subreddit for a considerable amount of time. And after the umpteenth NSFW post (half porn i guess), that was not locked nor covered by mods in time, that's what happened...
    And Grace was uncomfortable with that which itself is fine. But she complained about it on her professional account and said she'll just take a break from the Reddit which is imo, very unprofessional. Being here is your job and as in any jobs there will be things you don't like but it doesn't mean that you have to stop doing your job.
    It's not like it's going to make a difference anyway, she was already useless.
    Have to say I find this bizarre as well. When I got my cleaning job at a supermarket I never expected to have to clean up excrement off the top of toilet roll dispensers, out of the urinals, off the walls, and out of the sinks, and yet I have had to do all those things unpleasant though they are. I don't get to say, 'you know what, I'm not going to do my job for a while because I don't like some aspects of it...'. As I say bizarre, some people don't know they're born.
    Except this is not a good analogy at all. It would be more akin to people coming into your store with offensive t-shirts, signs, or openly talking about topics that make you troubled. To which the majority of companies I've ever worked for allow us to block, ban, or call the police to have them removed. And yeah, even the grocery store I worked for in my teens would throw people out for wearing shirts with nudity.

    This was the actual standard by most people operating by. She doesn't have to work with Reddit, it's not an official forum. They have the luxury of getting the responses there. And they didn't have the rules that most other official game forums with regard to NSFW. When I told my spouse about the controversy first words out of their mouth was. "They didn't have like.. the most basic or rules?"

    And now, a bunch of whiny, bitchy, self entitled otakus want to tell Grace what she should or should not be insulted by. Demanding she shift through porn that wouldn't have a place in the majority of official threads. Whining they should be allowed to just shove porn in people's faces. Go do that in the street and wait for the cops to come. The only thing that shielded those people was it was on a private forum that is free to make it's own rules. And the moderators made their own rules.

    Booo hoooo hoooooo, I can't find porn on the internet. Booooo hoooo hoooo hooo.
    Your argument has merit. I had assumed the Total War reddit was administered by CA and therefore they had an ability to moderate the content. Is this not the case? Genuine question, I am old and don't reddit.

    If she has no ability to moderate it, then leaving it is fair as she can't presumably manage all the forums that exist dedicated to total war games, albeit it could have perhaps been handled in a better manner.

    If CA have an ability to moderate it, then as far as I can see it falls under her jurisdiction to act to moderate the community, in much the way that in the analogy you provide someone working in the store in which someone 'offensive' enters would still have to engage with the offense material in order to remove it.
    No, most of your different areas of Reddit are called subreddits. They are owned by whomever really was the first one to make it. Abandoned ones can be claimed but they have to actually be abandoned. This has lead to some weird things. So CA does not own, or operate this forum. The original claimers and the people who they've chosen to moderate it do.

    CA doesn't have to be there, it's a luxury that they are. And it's one that all those complainers can very much lose. You think CA's staff is going to back people demanding the right to put pornography in her face vs her? Nah, they'll lose, that subreddit can lose all the official take.

    Now, the owners of the subreddit have said they were already getting complaints on this from regular posters. Since most subreddits that operate as official lines already ban all of this, especially those that the companies show actual support and participation in. It really wasn't a stretch to ban this, especially at the hint of losing it. They claim it was a catalyst but not the cause. Either way? I don't care, they want to protect official company participation, darn right I'd ban a bunch of pornography posters. Whatever, I could give a flying flip darn about that bunch of nobodies versus having the actual company.

    Also, even then, Grace has every friggen right to make complaints about that line of content. She has every friggen right not to want to post there on a weekend. She has the right to say it makes her uncomfortable. People saying otherwise need to go right now to their actual mothers and say. "Hey, is it okay to have a woman complain about me shoving porn in her face?" And hope your own mother doesn't slap you upside the head for being that friggen dumb and ignorant on basic decency.
    I see, fair enough, if she cant do anything about it and its beyond CA's administration then I rescind my argument that its unprofessional. My mistake. I wouldn't expect her to manage/engage with the Total War community as a whole, and if she feels the reddit community is more than she can handle then fair enough.

    Maybe we'll see some more representation from CA here in future, where they are capable of moderating content.
  • neodeinosneodeinos Posts: 2,585Registered Users
    Xenos7 said:

    neodeinos said:

    Reeks said:

    #WhatIsRedditWaifuDebacle

    Please enlighten us plebs who do not venture to the darkside called reddit oh mighty one!


    I can actually show ya:


    https://www.reddit.com/r/totalwar/comments/c2f4e3/where_is_the_halfnaked_sun_ren_here_is_the/erjndnj/?context=3

    Basically, when 3K's popularity reached its climax, several NSFW posts (basically Rated M contents) and Waifu posts about a certain 3K-character (named Sun Ren) engulfed TW subreddit for a considerable amount of time. And after the umpteenth NSFW post (half porn i guess), that was not locked nor covered by mods in time, that's what happened...
    And Grace was uncomfortable with that which itself is fine. But she complained about it on her professional account and said she'll just take a break from the Reddit which is imo, very unprofessional. Being here is your job and as in any jobs there will be things you don't like but it doesn't mean that you have to stop doing your job.
    It's not like it's going to make a difference anyway, she was already useless.
    Well, she's a person first and a community manager later. She isn't paid to put up with toxic sexism not related to gaming.
    Oh so nudity is toxic sexism now ? Didn't know.
  • SagrandaSagranda Posts: 1,659Registered Users
    Grace said more than once that her job is to actually be on reddit and not to be on the forums.
    So yeah, by her own words, being on reddit and interacting with the community there is (part of) her work.

    Despite that, the posts were not porn. Not to mention that none of the characters were nude, but merely scantly clad.
    There weren't even that many threads as they make it out to be. When I heard the 3K announcement I expected way more. I mean, thanks to the setting and the "romanticized mode" it's linked to Dynasty Warriors and similar games, which are known to have "sexy female outfits" and all the "waifu stuff".

    And if Grace wouldn't have snapped and made it a personal problem in addition to an allegedly universal female (CM) one on an official/work account, while basically blackmailing the mods and users to not make these kind of posts anymore if they wanted CA to keep going to reddit with the frequency they currently do out of a personal problem, the **** wouldn't have been as big as it got.
    She can be offended all she wants, no problem, that's her right, the way she reacted is/was the big issue.


    There are responses she got that were unwarranted and over the top. It shouldn't have happened.
    But she and the reddit mods were definitely a big part as for why it escalated.

    And about "banning rude people", considering the usual insults thrown at mass at the people who criticize her behavior aren't exactly polite either.
    And no, I don't care about all that waifu stuff and I don't think that the TW subreddit is a particular good place for that.
    But there are way better ways to handle such situations.
    Valkaar said:


    TL;DR:.....I get that these guys were being jack-asses. In general, I honestly hate that such a high percentage of customers in all sectors of life feel compelled to be such idiotic jack-asses. But there are middle ground solutions between 'just sucking it up'....and 'entirely abandoning your post'. And I feel like in this particular case, Grace honestly should have pursued one of those middle-ground solutions.

    So creating "waifu posts" that are labeled as "NSFW" is enough to call them jack-asses?
    Disclaimer: What I say is my opinion and not necessarily stated as fact.
  • Bonutz619Bonutz619 Posts: 1,204Registered Users
    edited June 2019
    Nyxilis said:

    neodeinos said:

    Reeks said:

    #WhatIsRedditWaifuDebacle

    Please enlighten us plebs who do not venture to the darkside called reddit oh mighty one!


    I can actually show ya:


    https://www.reddit.com/r/totalwar/comments/c2f4e3/where_is_the_halfnaked_sun_ren_here_is_the/erjndnj/?context=3

    Basically, when 3K's popularity reached its climax, several NSFW posts (basically Rated M contents) and Waifu posts about a certain 3K-character (named Sun Ren) engulfed TW subreddit for a considerable amount of time. And after the umpteenth NSFW post (half porn i guess), that was not locked nor covered by mods in time, that's what happened...
    And Grace was uncomfortable with that which itself is fine. But she complained about it on her professional account and said she'll just take a break from the Reddit which is imo, very unprofessional. Being here is your job and as in any jobs there will be things you don't like but it doesn't mean that you have to stop doing your job.
    It's not like it's going to make a difference anyway, she was already useless.
    Have to say I find this bizarre as well. When I got my cleaning job at a supermarket I never expected to have to clean up excrement off the top of toilet roll dispensers, out of the urinals, off the walls, and out of the sinks, and yet I have had to do all those things unpleasant though they are. I don't get to say, 'you know what, I'm not going to do my job for a while because I don't like some aspects of it...'. As I say bizarre, some people don't know they're born.
    Except this is not a good analogy at all. It would be more akin to people coming into your store with offensive t-shirts, signs, or openly talking about topics that make you troubled. To which the majority of companies I've ever worked for allow us to block, ban, or call the police to have them removed. And yeah, even the grocery store I worked for in my teens would throw people out for wearing shirts with nudity.

    This was the actual standard by most people operating by. She doesn't have to work with Reddit, it's not an official forum. They have the luxury of getting the responses there. And they didn't have the rules that most other official game forums with regard to NSFW. When I told my spouse about the controversy first words out of their mouth was. "They didn't have like.. the most basic or rules?"

    And now, a bunch of whiny, bitchy, self entitled otakus want to tell Grace what she should or should not be insulted by. Demanding she shift through porn that wouldn't have a place in the majority of official threads. Whining they should be allowed to just shove porn in people's faces. Go do that in the street and wait for the cops to come. The only thing that shielded those people was it was on a private forum that is free to make it's own rules. And the moderators made their own rules.

    Booo hoooo hoooooo, I can't find porn on the internet. Booooo hoooo hoooo hooo.
    Whether Grace is insulted or not, is not really the core issue imo. The issue is her doing her job to communicate with the customer base. Like you said, when people showed up at your store with offensive material, you kicked them out. Regardless of how offended you may or may not have been, that didn’t mean you stopped doing your job afterwards, did it? Grace has openly stated that she will be leaving Reddit for an extended period. If she felt insulted then fine but that doesn’t give anyone a free pass to just walk away from their job’s responsibilities...unless they quit their job, which she hasn’t.

    Reddit may not be an official forum but CA spends a majority of their time communicating there...so in a sense, it’s more important to them than any official forum on paper.
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    I can't get enough of this Mazdamundi.
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