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The role of Swordmasters of Hoeth in High Elf society and armies?

ihq47ihq47 Posts: 66Registered Users
edited July 20 in General Discussion
I know they're the masters of martial arts and called to serve as elite infantry, but is something else stated about their place in the world? In some Warhammer novels or RPG material, perhaps?

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  • ErminazErminaz Senior Member Las Vegas, Nevada, USAPosts: 5,559Registered Users
    edited July 20
    There are several references in books and I think in some of the Army Books (would need to double check that) which state that they also work as witch hunters, seeking out cultists.

    Edit: Should have also mentioned that they serve as collectors of knowledge to take back to the White Tower, and bodyguards to scholars and mages,
    Tacitus Quotes:
    Auferre, trucidare, rapere, falsis nominibus imperium; atque, ubi solitudinem faciunt, pacem appellant.
    They plunder, they slaughter, and they steal: this they falsely name Empire, and where they make a wasteland, they call it peace.

    Corruptissima re publica plurimae leges.
    The more numerous the laws, the more corrupt the government.

    I found Rome a city of filth covered marble and left it a pile of rubble. - Me
  • ErminazErminaz Senior Member Las Vegas, Nevada, USAPosts: 5,559Registered Users
    So that my other post does not disappear here is the reference to they hunting down the cultists:

    High Elf Army Book 7th Edition, page 55:
    "The Secret War
    Since the time of Bel Shanaar a long and bitter struggle has raged behind the peaceful facade of Ulthuan's courts and palaces. A war fought behind closed doors by the trusted agents of the Phoenix King and the debased worshipers of the Cults of Excess.

    After centuries of bitter struggles, Phoenix King Aethis requested aid from the sages of the White Tower. In response the Loremasters of Hoeth unleashed the Sword Masters upon the vile cultists. The legendary warrior-scholars wasted no time taking their unparalleled skills to the dark corners of Ulthuan's great cities, slaughtering the cultists where ever they were found.

    So began the first chapter in the secret war that has lasted ever since, for the Sword Masters are implacable foes and will not rest until every member of the Cult of Pleasure lies dead."
    Tacitus Quotes:
    Auferre, trucidare, rapere, falsis nominibus imperium; atque, ubi solitudinem faciunt, pacem appellant.
    They plunder, they slaughter, and they steal: this they falsely name Empire, and where they make a wasteland, they call it peace.

    Corruptissima re publica plurimae leges.
    The more numerous the laws, the more corrupt the government.

    I found Rome a city of filth covered marble and left it a pile of rubble. - Me
  • goliath55goliath55 Posts: 444Registered Users
    Erminaz said:

    So that my other post does not disappear here is the reference to they hunting down the cultists:

    High Elf Army Book 7th Edition, page 55:
    "The Secret War
    Since the time of Bel Shanaar a long and bitter struggle has raged behind the peaceful facade of Ulthuan's courts and palaces. A war fought behind closed doors by the trusted agents of the Phoenix King and the debased worshipers of the Cults of Excess.

    After centuries of bitter struggles, Phoenix King Aethis requested aid from the sages of the White Tower. In response the Loremasters of Hoeth unleashed the Sword Masters upon the vile cultists. The legendary warrior-scholars wasted no time taking their unparalleled skills to the dark corners of Ulthuan's great cities, slaughtering the cultists where ever they were found.

    So began the first chapter in the secret war that has lasted ever since, for the Sword Masters are implacable foes and will not rest until every member of the Cult of Pleasure lies dead."

    Sounds like a cool concept / setting for a WH fantasy RPG or something
  • PTreePTree Posts: 294Registered Users
    Bodyguards, Spy Hunters, Champions, Agents sent to seek ancient artefacts, protect and escort mages, guardians of the secret pathways and approaches of the Tower of Hoeth, Assasins maybe...
  • ihq47ihq47 Posts: 66Registered Users
    Thank you all! This does flesh out their role somewhat. Always nice to know the character, standing and background of units :)
  • Sir_GodspeedSir_Godspeed Posts: 1,680Registered Users
    In addition to this, they, as the name suggests, scholars.

    Iirc., they view the martial arts side of things as helping them to keep their minds keen, which helps in their other studies.
  • ErminazErminaz Senior Member Las Vegas, Nevada, USAPosts: 5,559Registered Users
    edited July 20

    In addition to this, they, as the name suggests, scholars.

    Iirc., they view the martial arts side of things as helping them to keep their minds keen, which helps in their other studies.

    I was always under the impression that they were scholars focused on the study of Martial Skills, Unhanded combat, swordsmanship, tactics, strategy, logistics, espionage, armor and weaponsmithing ect. Not that they would be barred from studying anything else if they so wished given the culture of the White Tower and its purpose. And we do know that exceptional individuals become the "Loremasters"* who are Swordmasters that have also mastered magic to a high degree (these are exceptional men not your already above average Sword Masters) but magic can also be viewed for its combat and military potential going back to my original assumption on them.

    Keep in mind I'm speaking only of the impressions I got from the material.

    * Loremasters is in quotations as there are multiple positions of Loremaster, when GW added them they didn't take into account that other people have the title of Loremaster that don't fit their newly added character in the 8th edition armybook.
    Tacitus Quotes:
    Auferre, trucidare, rapere, falsis nominibus imperium; atque, ubi solitudinem faciunt, pacem appellant.
    They plunder, they slaughter, and they steal: this they falsely name Empire, and where they make a wasteland, they call it peace.

    Corruptissima re publica plurimae leges.
    The more numerous the laws, the more corrupt the government.

    I found Rome a city of filth covered marble and left it a pile of rubble. - Me
  • MarkerMarker Posts: 1,037Registered Users
    They are a frontline unit and good against archers with there united blade techniques even though they don't have shields.
  • NinjipplesNinjipples Posts: 684Registered Users
    Erminaz said:

    In addition to this, they, as the name suggests, scholars.

    Iirc., they view the martial arts side of things as helping them to keep their minds keen, which helps in their other studies.

    I was always under the impression that they were scholars focused on the study of Martial Skills, Unhanded combat, swordsmanship, tactics, strategy, logistics, espionage, armor and weaponsmithing ect. Not that they would be barred from studying anything else if they so wished given the culture of the White Tower and its purpose. And we do know that exceptional individuals become the "Loremasters"* who are Swordmasters that have also mastered magic to a high degree (these are exceptional men not your already above average Sword Masters) but magic can also be viewed for its combat and military potential going back to my original assumption on them.

    Keep in mind I'm speaking only of the impressions I got from the material.

    * Loremasters is in quotations as there are multiple positions of Loremaster, when GW added them they didn't take into account that other people have the title of Loremaster that don't fit their newly added character in the 8th edition armybook.
    Unless Loremaster is simply a rank within the White Tower that can be obtained by any who are a part of it. There could be many subdiciplines under the same rank, just how both a doctor and a combat veteran can both attain the rank of captain in the real world military, even though they both have completely different diciplines.
  • ErminazErminaz Senior Member Las Vegas, Nevada, USAPosts: 5,559Registered Users

    Erminaz said:

    In addition to this, they, as the name suggests, scholars.

    Iirc., they view the martial arts side of things as helping them to keep their minds keen, which helps in their other studies.

    I was always under the impression that they were scholars focused on the study of Martial Skills, Unhanded combat, swordsmanship, tactics, strategy, logistics, espionage, armor and weaponsmithing ect. Not that they would be barred from studying anything else if they so wished given the culture of the White Tower and its purpose. And we do know that exceptional individuals become the "Loremasters"* who are Swordmasters that have also mastered magic to a high degree (these are exceptional men not your already above average Sword Masters) but magic can also be viewed for its combat and military potential going back to my original assumption on them.

    Keep in mind I'm speaking only of the impressions I got from the material.

    * Loremasters is in quotations as there are multiple positions of Loremaster, when GW added them they didn't take into account that other people have the title of Loremaster that don't fit their newly added character in the 8th edition armybook.
    Unless Loremaster is simply a rank within the White Tower that can be obtained by any who are a part of it. There could be many subdiciplines under the same rank, just how both a doctor and a combat veteran can both attain the rank of captain in the real world military, even though they both have completely different diciplines.
    Good point. It would have been nice if GW would have expounded on the concept. If someone knows where it actually is I would love to know where I could find the information.
    Tacitus Quotes:
    Auferre, trucidare, rapere, falsis nominibus imperium; atque, ubi solitudinem faciunt, pacem appellant.
    They plunder, they slaughter, and they steal: this they falsely name Empire, and where they make a wasteland, they call it peace.

    Corruptissima re publica plurimae leges.
    The more numerous the laws, the more corrupt the government.

    I found Rome a city of filth covered marble and left it a pile of rubble. - Me
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