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Nouveau total war sur les deux guerres mondiales ?

rageurageu Posts: 14Registered Users
edited August 26 in Total War General Chat
Le projet de faire des nouveaux total war sur les guerres mondiales sont t'ils prévu ?

English on the forum please. Google Translation:
The project of making new total war on the world wars are you planning?
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  • davedave1124davedave1124 Senior Member Posts: 4,092Registered Users
    That seems very unlikely. There won't be a major AAA historical game released for 5 years and there's never been any feedback from CA to suggest they'd be interested in the World Wars.
  • rageurageu Posts: 14Registered Users
    It's a shame because they have done almost every major historical war except the two most important.
  • rageurageu Posts: 14Registered Users
    rageu said:

    Le projet de faire des nouveaux total war sur les guerres mondiales sont t'ils prévu ?

    The project of making new total war on the world wars are you planning?

  • davedave1124davedave1124 Senior Member Posts: 4,092Registered Users
    edited August 25
    rageu said:

    It's a shame because they have done almost every major historical war except the two most important.

    The main issue is it's questionable that a Total War game would be a Total War game if it was based post the Victorian Era. The second troops begin to stop using the 'soldiers of the line' tactics it turns into a totally different style of game.
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  • CommisarCommisar Senior Member Posts: 1,208Registered Users
    They've said in interviews that they haven't ruled them out. But there's so many problems that to have it look and feel anything like the World wars it would not feel like a Total War game.
  • Xeno195Xeno195 Junior Member Posts: 7Registered Users

    The second troops begin to stop using the 'soldiers of the line' tactics it turns into a totally different style of game.

    If they could do World War era based Total War then they could also do Warhammer 40k. However it is figuring out unit sizes and completely different maps where there would be a bigger focus on urban street to street fighting, rather than open field line warfare, and how to incorporate trench warfare.

    Even with the Industrial/Victorian era there is a major transition to more conventional warfare than Napoleonic warfare.
  • TheGreatPamphletTheGreatPamphlet Posts: 161Registered Users
    A bit irrelevant, but what happened to the French and German speaking sections of the forum? Have they been archived or are they still active?
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  • davedave1124davedave1124 Senior Member Posts: 4,092Registered Users
    Xeno195 said:

    The second troops begin to stop using the 'soldiers of the line' tactics it turns into a totally different style of game.

    If they could do World War era based Total War then they could also do Warhammer 40k. However it is figuring out unit sizes and completely different maps where there would be a bigger focus on urban street to street fighting, rather than open field line warfare, and how to incorporate trench warfare.

    Even with the Industrial/Victorian era there is a major transition to more conventional warfare than Napoleonic warfare.
    They managed to do it with FotS, it worked very well in fact. If you watch something like 1864 you will see almost Napoleonic style battles. Although as the artillery took over cover became more important and large troop formations was asking for trouble.

    Creative assembly have said in the past they are not keen on WW1 as a TW game. They would be more interested in WW2 but this would require a totally new engine, which requires a lot of expense which may end up falling flat with the fanbase, so the question is - would a modern games company want to take such a risk? Especially when they know something like MTW3 would be a huge hit, without the massive investment.

    I also think that this idea about CA only creating Saga games based on the current AAA game is untrue. It would not take much effort to upgrade the FotS models.

    Although CA could do a crazy mix and base a campaign on the uprising in China by the Chinese brother of Jesus.
  • Xeno195Xeno195 Junior Member Posts: 7Registered Users


    They managed to do it with FotS, it worked very well in fact. If you watch something like 1864 you will see almost Napoleonic style battles. Although as the artillery took over cover became more important and large troop formations was asking for trouble.

    The war style of the Boshin War (FotS) was very different to that of the major global powers at the time, as it still contained very traditional elements that made it perfect for a Total War title.

    The Second Schleswig War (1864) featured trench warfare and large scale artillery bombardment. Like I mentioned before the 19th century warfare is a strange transition from Napoleonic style battles to more modern style of battle relying heavy on trenches and artillery.
  • davedave1124davedave1124 Senior Member Posts: 4,092Registered Users
    Xeno195 said:


    They managed to do it with FotS, it worked very well in fact. If you watch something like 1864 you will see almost Napoleonic style battles. Although as the artillery took over cover became more important and large troop formations was asking for trouble.

    The war style of the Boshin War (FotS) was very different to that of the major global powers at the time, as it still contained very traditional elements that made it perfect for a Total War title.

    The Second Schleswig War (1864) featured trench warfare and large scale artillery bombardment. Like I mentioned before the 19th century warfare is a strange transition from Napoleonic style battles to more modern style of battle relying heavy on trenches and artillery.
    The style of war won't matter, ToB used and improved on Atilla units but made a number of changes. The Japanese government used Western Tactics, when you swap your front line from samurais to fusiliers your tactics will modernise. The Japanese would not have fallen back on Napoleonic tactics because they never used them, they would've used the current tactics.

    During the Second Schleswig War defensive/trench battles were used, but there were still open battles. In much the same way as there was trench warfare during the ACW. It's up to CA to apply the best tactics to suit the game, whether it was used constantly or not. Remember - TW games very rarely reflect actual strategies of the time, it's whatever works for gameplay. Would it look out of place for Danish and Prussian troops approaching each other in line formations in a Victorian game? No, because these types of engagements happened.
  • rageurageu Posts: 14Registered Users
    davedave1124 said:
    Remember - TW games very rarely reflect actual strategies of the time, it's whatever works for gameplay.

    It is true but it worked because it does not change enormously the truth but during the Second World War fighting techniques are literally changing to give way to less expensive techniques in men:
    - street fighting
    - fighting in the bocages
    - parachuting
    The main problem for CA would be to make a much larger army and have the opportunity to be able to direct each man from a battalion separately or in a group.
    As in the game Suden Stike 4.
  • davedave1124davedave1124 Senior Member Posts: 4,092Registered Users
    rageu said:

    davedave1124 said:
    Remember - TW games very rarely reflect actual strategies of the time, it's whatever works for gameplay.

    It is true but it worked because it does not change enormously the truth but during the Second World War fighting techniques are literally changing to give way to less expensive techniques in men:
    - street fighting
    - fighting in the bocages
    - parachuting
    The main problem for CA would be to make a much larger army and have the opportunity to be able to direct each man from a battalion separately or in a group.
    As in the game Suden Stike 4.

    Yes, that's what I mean. Victorian - yes (little change required); WW2 - probably not without a huge change to the engine and mechanics.
  • CommisarCommisar Senior Member Posts: 1,208Registered Users

    Yes, that's what I mean. Victorian - yes (little change required); WW2 - probably not without a huge change to the engine and mechanics.

    And risk stepping on Relics toes with CoH series.
  • davedave1124davedave1124 Senior Member Posts: 4,092Registered Users
    Commisar said:

    Yes, that's what I mean. Victorian - yes (little change required); WW2 - probably not without a huge change to the engine and mechanics.

    And risk stepping on Relics toes with CoH series.
    I've noticed that Sega is attempting to branch out the TW formula with one of their new games. I hope we don't start getting lots of cheap copies.
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