Reset Leaderboard

yst#1879

Its time to finally reset this broken board, with the new cap implementation there has never been a better time to do so.
@CA_Duck could u pls confirm if they r gonna get a complete wipe? surely with such game changing hard cap forced into the system there would need it wiped

OrkLads

Agreed. Wipe and start fresh, ridiculous KKWON is top when he doesn't even play. Lotus deserves top spot. (if he can get it)

ElectorOfWurttemberg

Should be done every DLC

yst#1879

All dead accounts up there, non of them dare to play. I mean just look at how many smurf accounts those ppl r spamming lol, it should be fore those who r actively playing. Plus its easily a good 1yr+ before we even hear anything on war 3.

Its time for a wipe, those boards r all, very, very old ranks thats just dead afk accounts

IMaybo

why not add another clean board and name it something like "season 2" leaving previous results too

OrkLads

yst said:

All dead accounts up there, non of them dare to play. I mean just look at how many smurf accounts those ppl r spamming lol, it should be fore those who r actively playing. Plus its easily a good 1yr+ before we even hear anything on war 3.

Its time for a wipe, those boards r all, very, very old ranks thats just dead afk accounts

Yea, I definitely agree on that I'm not a fan of people smurfing in general. If you want to change your name to play stealth that is one thing, but use your proper account. It's just poor sportsmanship otherwise.

yst#1879

The new system fundamentally changes the game. As with the first implementation of such system back in war 1, the entire board was wiped upon release. Now we sees the same, it should be wipe.

WojmirVonCarstein

A wipe would be great.

Also, there should be some rank decay mechanism where if you don't play for x amount of days in a row, you lose y number of points etc.

OrkLads

Green0 said:

WojmirVonCarstein said:

A wipe would be great.

Also, there should be some rank decay mechanism where if you don't play for x amount of days in a row, you lose y number of points etc.

no please, already too many games have this and this game is somewhat casual, periodic resets are a good idea but there shouldn't be pressure or stress to play ranked.

There wouldn't be, you would only feel pressure if you wanted to maintain your rank without playing.

Leaderboard should absolutely have a rank decay mechanism, people who are actively playing on their real accounts deserve to be at the top of the Leaderboard. Not what it is now which is a combination of:

1. People who cheesed to the top and then stopped playing.
2. Dead accounts of varying stripes.
3. People who picked their opponents/matchups to climb the ladder and then switched to other accounts (you fall into this category).
4. People who actually play on their real account and take the rises and falls in their stride.

OrkLads

Green0 said:

OrkLads said:

Green0 said:

WojmirVonCarstein said:

A wipe would be great.

Also, there should be some rank decay mechanism where if you don't play for x amount of days in a row, you lose y number of points etc.

no please, already too many games have this and this game is somewhat casual, periodic resets are a good idea but there shouldn't be pressure or stress to play ranked.

There wouldn't be, you would only feel pressure if you wanted to maintain your rank without playing.

Leaderboard should absolutely have a rank decay mechanism, people who are actively playing on their real accounts deserve to be at the top of the Leaderboard. Not what it is now which is a combination of:

1. People who cheesed to the top and then stopped playing.
2. Dead accounts of varying stripes.
3. People who picked their opponents/matchups to climb the ladder and then switched to other accounts (you fall into this category).
4. People who actually play on their real account and take the rises and falls in their stride.

periodic resets would solve all of the problems you talk about, also when I talk about "stress" I mean stuff like going on a holiday or not feeling like playing for 1-2 weeks. You shouldn't get punished for that and to prevent people maintaining their rank you would have periodic resets.

My preference would be weekly decay, would be fair and reward those who choose to play consistently.

I'm sorry but wanting to setup the Leaderboard ranking system of a for fun video game to account for your holiday time is the definition of a 1st world problem, it may just be the singular most first world problem I've ever heard. Stunned you're arguing for it tbh.

fan3982173917524862#7883

There is no point to the leaderboard system, I don't understand why people stress so much over it. It will just create anxiety for people that aren't already into it, or are struggling.

OrkLads

Green0 said:

OrkLads said:

Green0 said:

WojmirVonCarstein said:

A wipe would be great.

Also, there should be some rank decay mechanism where if you don't play for x amount of days in a row, you lose y number of points etc.

no please, already too many games have this and this game is somewhat casual, periodic resets are a good idea but there shouldn't be pressure or stress to play ranked.

There wouldn't be, you would only feel pressure if you wanted to maintain your rank without playing.

Leaderboard should absolutely have a rank decay mechanism, people who are actively playing on their real accounts deserve to be at the top of the Leaderboard. Not what it is now which is a combination of:

1. People who cheesed to the top and then stopped playing.
2. Dead accounts of varying stripes.
3. People who picked their opponents/matchups to climb the ladder and then switched to other accounts (you fall into this category).
4. People who actually play on their real account and take the rises and falls in their stride.

periodic resets would solve all of the problems you talk about, also when I talk about "stress" I mean stuff like going on a holiday or not feeling like playing for 1-2 weeks. You shouldn't get punished for that and to prevent people maintaining their rank you would have periodic resets.

I also don't fall into category 3 like you think, I don't know what would make you think that but if I did dodge you on ladder it was probably you either picked a faction I find boring to play against (Dwarfs, Coast are factions I sometimes dodge) or I most likely dodged the map (for example recently I dodged a person who picked Vampire Coast on MP Crossroads, and it's not that I can't win this matchup but it's not fun for me to play vs an opponent who wants to sit there and camp it out and picks an artillery faction on the best artillery map in the game.

My preference would be for a weekly decay, would be fair and reward those who play consistently.

Also, arguing that the ranked leaderboard for a for-fun video game should be setup to account for your holiday time is the definition of a 1st world problem, it may just be THE most 1st world problem of all time. Stunned you're arguing for it tbh

Cukie251

Eh, I don't think its unreasonable to build in a decay period, 1 - 2 weeks seems reasonable. Maybe 7 games shouldn't be minimum but is it unreasonable to expect someone to play 2-3 games a week if they are serious about their rank? Nah, I don't think so. The decay doesn't even have to be major initially, but should compound as inactivity lengthens.

If you combined it with like, half yearly resets it would actually be fairly healthy.

OrkLads

Green0 said:

OrkLads said:

Green0 said:

OrkLads said:

Green0 said:

WojmirVonCarstein said:

A wipe would be great.

Also, there should be some rank decay mechanism where if you don't play for x amount of days in a row, you lose y number of points etc.

no please, already too many games have this and this game is somewhat casual, periodic resets are a good idea but there shouldn't be pressure or stress to play ranked.

There wouldn't be, you would only feel pressure if you wanted to maintain your rank without playing.

Leaderboard should absolutely have a rank decay mechanism, people who are actively playing on their real accounts deserve to be at the top of the Leaderboard. Not what it is now which is a combination of:

1. People who cheesed to the top and then stopped playing.
2. Dead accounts of varying stripes.
3. People who picked their opponents/matchups to climb the ladder and then switched to other accounts (you fall into this category).
4. People who actually play on their real account and take the rises and falls in their stride.

periodic resets would solve all of the problems you talk about, also when I talk about "stress" I mean stuff like going on a holiday or not feeling like playing for 1-2 weeks. You shouldn't get punished for that and to prevent people maintaining their rank you would have periodic resets.

I also don't fall into category 3 like you think, I don't know what would make you think that but if I did dodge you on ladder it was probably you either picked a faction I find boring to play against (Dwarfs, Coast are factions I sometimes dodge) or I most likely dodged the map (for example recently I dodged a person who picked Vampire Coast on MP Crossroads, and it's not that I can't win this matchup but it's not fun for me to play vs an opponent who wants to sit there and camp it out and picks an artillery faction on the best artillery map in the game.

My preference would be for a weekly decay, would be fair and reward those who play consistently.

Also, arguing that the ranked leaderboard for a for-fun video game should be setup to account for your holiday time is the definition of a 1st world problem, it may just be THE most 1st world problem of all time. Stunned you're arguing for it tbh

Look, I just don't think it's a good idea, it's not that I have 1st world problems or no, I just happen to disagree on this one. It's not that if someone doesn't play for 1 week or 1 month suddenly he should be lower rated, his earned elo rating should stay because he has proven through numerous games that he is a better player than many. Imagine this translated to chess: people tell you that if you don't play 7 games a week, your ELO will decay so you're forced to set up games and go around instead of, you know, playing whenever you feel like it. I can in principle agree to decay if the grace period is very long like 1 month but being forced to play every week seems to make ladder rank lose its meaning. Imagine for example someone like Tlaxtlan Soothsayer, who I hear is very busy currently, having to play 7 games a week now. Maybe he wouldn't even be able to fit them, or maybe he would play them while in a bad mood because he would be forced to play the games. He is a good player and people deserve to see his name on the leaderboard, but we don't want to make him feel like the game is a job. Analogously for other people.

To prevent stagnation of the ladder, I just think we should have periodic resets.

Nah, you want to stay on top of the leader board you have to play. Pure and simple. Whether you are a past Everchosen or bought the game last week. That is far more fair than what you are proposing.

Parmigiano

Green0 said:

OrkLads said:

Green0 said:

OrkLads said:

Green0 said:

WojmirVonCarstein said:

A wipe would be great.

Also, there should be some rank decay mechanism where if you don't play for x amount of days in a row, you lose y number of points etc.

no please, already too many games have this and this game is somewhat casual, periodic resets are a good idea but there shouldn't be pressure or stress to play ranked.

There wouldn't be, you would only feel pressure if you wanted to maintain your rank without playing.

Leaderboard should absolutely have a rank decay mechanism, people who are actively playing on their real accounts deserve to be at the top of the Leaderboard. Not what it is now which is a combination of:

1. People who cheesed to the top and then stopped playing.
2. Dead accounts of varying stripes.
3. People who picked their opponents/matchups to climb the ladder and then switched to other accounts (you fall into this category).
4. People who actually play on their real account and take the rises and falls in their stride.

periodic resets would solve all of the problems you talk about, also when I talk about "stress" I mean stuff like going on a holiday or not feeling like playing for 1-2 weeks. You shouldn't get punished for that and to prevent people maintaining their rank you would have periodic resets.

I also don't fall into category 3 like you think, I don't know what would make you think that but if I did dodge you on ladder it was probably you either picked a faction I find boring to play against (Dwarfs, Coast are factions I sometimes dodge) or I most likely dodged the map (for example recently I dodged a person who picked Vampire Coast on MP Crossroads, and it's not that I can't win this matchup but it's not fun for me to play vs an opponent who wants to sit there and camp it out and picks an artillery faction on the best artillery map in the game.

My preference would be for a weekly decay, would be fair and reward those who play consistently.

Also, arguing that the ranked leaderboard for a for-fun video game should be setup to account for your holiday time is the definition of a 1st world problem, it may just be THE most 1st world problem of all time. Stunned you're arguing for it tbh

Look, I just don't think it's a good idea, it's not that I have 1st world problems or no, I just happen to disagree on this one. It's not that if someone doesn't play for 1 week or 1 month suddenly he should be lower rated, his earned elo rating should stay because he has proven through numerous games that he is a better player than many. Imagine this translated to chess: people tell you that if you don't play 7 games a week, your ELO will decay so you're forced to set up games and go around instead of, you know, playing whenever you feel like it. I can in principle agree to decay if the grace period is very long like 1 month but being forced to play every week seems to make ladder rank lose its meaning. Imagine for example someone like Tlaxtlan Soothsayer, who I hear is very busy currently, having to play 7 games a week now. Maybe he wouldn't even be able to fit them, or maybe he would play them while in a bad mood because he would be forced to play the games. He is a good player and people deserve to see his name on the leaderboard, but we don't want to make him feel like the game is a job. Analogously for other people.

To prevent stagnation of the ladder, I just think we should have periodic resets.

More resets is probably even worse.

Whichever solution for they preserved the winstreaks using alts should be done though.

FerrousTarkus

A thousand times yes, total war need to get on with its era. A decay is just normal in modern games plus it keeps people playing. A decent chat box is also a must, its design is dating... 1999 I would say.

Units caps are a great step foward! 👏👍

Anyways 2 weeks inactivity before decay would be perfect for anyone to fit their holidays without being stressed or penalised. Plus seasons resets and actual multiplayer promotions.

How come we can't buy skins for our armies yet? Loreful skins!

Lord_Distamorfin#1941

Green0 said:

OrkLads said:

Green0 said:

OrkLads said:

Green0 said:

OrkLads said:

Green0 said:

WojmirVonCarstein said:

A wipe would be great.

Also, there should be some rank decay mechanism where if you don't play for x amount of days in a row, you lose y number of points etc.

no please, already too many games have this and this game is somewhat casual, periodic resets are a good idea but there shouldn't be pressure or stress to play ranked.

There wouldn't be, you would only feel pressure if you wanted to maintain your rank without playing.

Leaderboard should absolutely have a rank decay mechanism, people who are actively playing on their real accounts deserve to be at the top of the Leaderboard. Not what it is now which is a combination of:

1. People who cheesed to the top and then stopped playing.
2. Dead accounts of varying stripes.
3. People who picked their opponents/matchups to climb the ladder and then switched to other accounts (you fall into this category).
4. People who actually play on their real account and take the rises and falls in their stride.

periodic resets would solve all of the problems you talk about, also when I talk about "stress" I mean stuff like going on a holiday or not feeling like playing for 1-2 weeks. You shouldn't get punished for that and to prevent people maintaining their rank you would have periodic resets.

I also don't fall into category 3 like you think, I don't know what would make you think that but if I did dodge you on ladder it was probably you either picked a faction I find boring to play against (Dwarfs, Coast are factions I sometimes dodge) or I most likely dodged the map (for example recently I dodged a person who picked Vampire Coast on MP Crossroads, and it's not that I can't win this matchup but it's not fun for me to play vs an opponent who wants to sit there and camp it out and picks an artillery faction on the best artillery map in the game.

My preference would be for a weekly decay, would be fair and reward those who play consistently.

Also, arguing that the ranked leaderboard for a for-fun video game should be setup to account for your holiday time is the definition of a 1st world problem, it may just be THE most 1st world problem of all time. Stunned you're arguing for it tbh

Look, I just don't think it's a good idea, it's not that I have 1st world problems or no, I just happen to disagree on this one. It's not that if someone doesn't play for 1 week or 1 month suddenly he should be lower rated, his earned elo rating should stay because he has proven through numerous games that he is a better player than many. Imagine this translated to chess: people tell you that if you don't play 7 games a week, your ELO will decay so you're forced to set up games and go around instead of, you know, playing whenever you feel like it. I can in principle agree to decay if the grace period is very long like 1 month but being forced to play every week seems to make ladder rank lose its meaning. Imagine for example someone like Tlaxtlan Soothsayer, who I hear is very busy currently, having to play 7 games a week now. Maybe he wouldn't even be able to fit them, or maybe he would play them while in a bad mood because he would be forced to play the games. He is a good player and people deserve to see his name on the leaderboard, but we don't want to make him feel like the game is a job. Analogously for other people.

To prevent stagnation of the ladder, I just think we should have periodic resets.

Nah, you want to stay on top of the leader board you have to play. Pure and simple. Whether you are a past Everchosen or bought the game last week. That is far more fair than what you are proposing.

imagine queueing into "TlaxtlanSoothsayer" and managing to win and getting rewarded with only like 5 points because he hasn't played in a month.

Nah, rating decay is a bad idea, they had it in Overwatch and it encourages rampant smurfing on top of creating very unbalanced matches.

Smurfing is already rampant in this game and there is no ranked matchmaking, so what does it matter? In Overwatch, your rating actually matters because it determines the skill level of the players you play with and against. What does rank do for you in this game? It gets your name on a leaderboard, big deal.

Lotus_Moon#2452

yes please reset i totally agree, resets should be a thing every say 3 months

OrkLads

Lord_Distamorfin said:

Green0 said:

OrkLads said:

Green0 said:

OrkLads said:

Green0 said:

OrkLads said:

Green0 said:

WojmirVonCarstein said:

A wipe would be great.

Also, there should be some rank decay mechanism where if you don't play for x amount of days in a row, you lose y number of points etc.

no please, already too many games have this and this game is somewhat casual, periodic resets are a good idea but there shouldn't be pressure or stress to play ranked.

There wouldn't be, you would only feel pressure if you wanted to maintain your rank without playing.

Leaderboard should absolutely have a rank decay mechanism, people who are actively playing on their real accounts deserve to be at the top of the Leaderboard. Not what it is now which is a combination of:

1. People who cheesed to the top and then stopped playing.
2. Dead accounts of varying stripes.
3. People who picked their opponents/matchups to climb the ladder and then switched to other accounts (you fall into this category).
4. People who actually play on their real account and take the rises and falls in their stride.

periodic resets would solve all of the problems you talk about, also when I talk about "stress" I mean stuff like going on a holiday or not feeling like playing for 1-2 weeks. You shouldn't get punished for that and to prevent people maintaining their rank you would have periodic resets.

I also don't fall into category 3 like you think, I don't know what would make you think that but if I did dodge you on ladder it was probably you either picked a faction I find boring to play against (Dwarfs, Coast are factions I sometimes dodge) or I most likely dodged the map (for example recently I dodged a person who picked Vampire Coast on MP Crossroads, and it's not that I can't win this matchup but it's not fun for me to play vs an opponent who wants to sit there and camp it out and picks an artillery faction on the best artillery map in the game.

My preference would be for a weekly decay, would be fair and reward those who play consistently.

Also, arguing that the ranked leaderboard for a for-fun video game should be setup to account for your holiday time is the definition of a 1st world problem, it may just be THE most 1st world problem of all time. Stunned you're arguing for it tbh

Look, I just don't think it's a good idea, it's not that I have 1st world problems or no, I just happen to disagree on this one. It's not that if someone doesn't play for 1 week or 1 month suddenly he should be lower rated, his earned elo rating should stay because he has proven through numerous games that he is a better player than many. Imagine this translated to chess: people tell you that if you don't play 7 games a week, your ELO will decay so you're forced to set up games and go around instead of, you know, playing whenever you feel like it. I can in principle agree to decay if the grace period is very long like 1 month but being forced to play every week seems to make ladder rank lose its meaning. Imagine for example someone like Tlaxtlan Soothsayer, who I hear is very busy currently, having to play 7 games a week now. Maybe he wouldn't even be able to fit them, or maybe he would play them while in a bad mood because he would be forced to play the games. He is a good player and people deserve to see his name on the leaderboard, but we don't want to make him feel like the game is a job. Analogously for other people.

To prevent stagnation of the ladder, I just think we should have periodic resets.

Nah, you want to stay on top of the leader board you have to play. Pure and simple. Whether you are a past Everchosen or bought the game last week. That is far more fair than what you are proposing.

imagine queueing into "TlaxtlanSoothsayer" and managing to win and getting rewarded with only like 5 points because he hasn't played in a month.

Nah, rating decay is a bad idea, they had it in Overwatch and it encourages rampant smurfing on top of creating very unbalanced matches.

Smurfing is already rampant in this game and there is no ranked matchmaking, so what does it matter? In Overwatch, your rating actually matters because it determines the skill level of the players you play with and against. What does rank do for you in this game? It gets your name on a leaderboard, big deal.

No point dude, shouldn't have taken the bait in the 1st place. Just another one of Greens arguments that don't make sense alongside his vendetta against Dwarfs and hard-on for Alarielle.

Bottom line is he wants his QB rank and his Mediterranean holidays, not gonna change that with any logic or facts just is what it is.

Lord_Distamorfin#1941

Green0 said:

OrkLads said:

Green0 said:

WojmirVonCarstein said:

A wipe would be great.

Also, there should be some rank decay mechanism where if you don't play for x amount of days in a row, you lose y number of points etc.

no please, already too many games have this and this game is somewhat casual, periodic resets are a good idea but there shouldn't be pressure or stress to play ranked.

There wouldn't be, you would only feel pressure if you wanted to maintain your rank without playing.

Leaderboard should absolutely have a rank decay mechanism, people who are actively playing on their real accounts deserve to be at the top of the Leaderboard. Not what it is now which is a combination of:

1. People who cheesed to the top and then stopped playing.
2. Dead accounts of varying stripes.
3. People who picked their opponents/matchups to climb the ladder and then switched to other accounts (you fall into this category).
4. People who actually play on their real account and take the rises and falls in their stride.

periodic resets would solve all of the problems you talk about, also when I talk about "stress" I mean stuff like going on a holiday or not feeling like playing for 1-2 weeks. You shouldn't get punished for that and to prevent people maintaining their rank you would have periodic resets.

I also don't fall into category 3 like you think, I don't know what would make you think that but if I did dodge you on ladder it was probably you either picked a faction I find boring to play against (Dwarfs, Coast are factions I sometimes dodge) or I most likely dodged the map (for example recently I dodged a person who picked Vampire Coast on MP Crossroads, and it's not that I can't win this matchup but it's not fun for me to play vs an opponent who wants to sit there and camp it out and picks an artillery faction on the best artillery map in the game.

How is having your leaderboard rank decay a punishment? It's meaningless. There's no rank-based matchmaking in this game and there's no incentive to stay top-ranked beyond having your name at the top of a list. If someone has stress about staying on the top of a leaderboard in a largely non-competitive game, that sounds like a personal problem.

yst#1879

The most sensible thing for CA to do is really to reset it. Personally i would call for it if it wast such a serious fundamental changes, that affects the core of it with this new cap system.

Rest they can plan along the way but reseting it now the right thing to do for the mp community tbh. We r talking about a ladder thats dated so old with various hardcore bugs along the way, things like weeks of broken hellebron blade etc

Its time.

Disposable Hero

Yes please to both reset and decay. In my opinion if you are at the top you should be forced to put your title on the line by playing.

Imagine the boxing champ with 4 belts refusing to fight anyone because he might lose his belts.

CA_Duck#1876

A reset would also mean wiping the number of wins, so do take that into account as well when asking for a reset.

tzurugby

I like Hearthstone's ladder as an example.... resets regularly and that seems to work alright for them. It would drive a TON of play every reset!!!

hanen

A ladder reset with every major patch/DLC would be welcome.