Suggestions on how to help Nakai and the Lizardmen MP

Nielspeterdejong

So I have been playing the update non stop, and I simply love how CA added so many great things to them! That said, there are a few things which I feel would help the Lizardmen out a bit more, and give them some love.

Nakai. Nakai’s campaign is boring, has an income problem, and your vassal keeps getting attacked.

Suggestion: Make it so that whenever your vassal is defending or under siege, that you may aid them in battle, regardless of location. Let his vassal give you much more income, give him military access from the start with other Lizardmen factions, and make it so that your allies can’t attack your vassal. Lorewise Nakai was infamous for arriving out of nowhere as a mystical being.

Additional suggestion: Give him a mission at the start of the game in Mortal Empires to move to a location in Albion; After which a dilemma will occur that will transport him to 4 locations next to other races.

Racial army effect. The Lizardmen don’t have anything that sets them apart, aside from a lot of rampage mechanics and a situational ability that negates that.

Suggestion: Make it so that the Cold Blooded ability also grants the target a bonus to their Melee Defense and Missile Resistance. Maybe make them unbreakable instead of the leadership boon.

Multiplayer. The Lizardmen in multiplayer have a big roster, but many units are underwhelming and lack a specific role. In mid-tier player matches they are struggling right now.

Suggestion: Give some boons to their new Dread and underwhelming/expensive units:
-Dread Saurian: Make it so that you can only pick 1 Dread Saurian per army, while in exchange giving them more Missile Resistance and making them more cost effective
-Razordon herd: Increase their cost to 850, and give them the same range as Salamanders and a bonus vs infantry.
-Terradons: Give the Fireleech Bola’s a bonus vs infantry, and the regular ones a bonus vs large, on their missile attacks.
-Bastiladon (all): give them more missile resistance, to help against all the new AP missile attacks.
-Bastiladon (Arc of Sotek): Lower their cost, or let their ability deal more damage, or give them a damaging aura.
-Bastiladon (Solar Engine): Make their ranged attack an AP missile attack. Right now it feels very anti-climactic.
-Stegadon (bow): Give her a bonus vs large on her ranged attack.
-Ripperdactyl: Give them the Terror trait.
-Ancient Salamander: Give her her old range back.
-Feral Cold Ones: Increase their number of models (and hp).

Lotus_Moon#2452

Suggestion: Make it so that the Cold Blooded ability also grants the target a bonus to their Melee Defense and Missile Resistance. Maybe make them unbreakable instead of the leadership boon.

NO FREAKING WAY

-Dread Saurian: Make it so that you can only pick 1 Dread Saurian per army, while in exchange giving them more Missile Resistance and making them more cost effective

Dont agree, i think the feral version needs +300g cost the other two are also quite strong but not same level OP as feral one.

-Razordon herd: Increase their cost to 850, and give them the same range as Salamanders and a bonus vs infantry.

Agree with making them same range for free, dont agree with other suggestion.

Terradons: Give the Fireleech Bola’s a bonus vs infantry, and the regular ones a bonus vs large, on their missile attacks.

Why? they are viable already.

Bastiladon (all): give them more missile resistance, to help against all the new AP missile attacks.

NO, in good spot now.

Bastiladon (Arc of Sotek): Lower their cost, or let their ability deal more damage, or give them a damaging aura.

At this point what is wrong with you? just mod it if its for Single player and you want broken OP units. Only change this unit needs is to fire its ability on the move.

-Bastiladon (Solar Engine): Make their ranged attack an AP missile attack. Right now it feels very anti-climactic.

At this stage i'm convinced this is a troll post.

-Stegadon (bow): Give her a bonus vs large on her ranged attack.

Or just a silly attempt at trolling

-Ancient Salamander: Give her her old range back.

WHATTTTTT??

LIKE WHATTTTTT?

WHATTTT.



Im sorry but you been spamming this nonsense for last few days, LZM are a top tier faction currently, i dont think they need too many nerfs but the suggestions you are suggesting are just way way OP, if even 2 of your suggestions went through i would likely avoid LZM until they get hotfixed to balanced again.

Loupi#8512

Nielspeterdejong said:

Loupi_ said:

HAHAHA thanks! I needed a laugh.

You are free to tell me where you disagree with. Acting like a **** isn't giving you a good look.

Oh sorry, i thought you were actually joking. Basically I completely disagree with everything u said except perhaps the ark of sotek.
AP on solar engines would be ridiculously OP, and imagine how hard bastilodons would be to kill if they had missile resistance on top of their relatively small hitbox and massive armour.

Unbreakable on cold blooded is a massive buff that is totally unneeded.

Steg with BvL missiles is also OP, since it increase accuracy as well.

Terror on ripperdactyls would again be super powerful given they have similar damage output to hippo knights but cost much much less. It would make lizard hit and run incredibly powerful.


Basically Lizards are Absolutely top-tier in multiplayer and need ZERO buffs at all.

Energyzed#6772

I also think some units on the liz roster need some buffs, but your proposals mate just make Liz ridiculously OP.

Witchblade

Yeah, as a former Lizardmen main, I can say these suggestions are just not balanced.

FerrousTarkus

Lizardmen are tier 1 in multiplayer and dont need any buffs.

I could care less about single player but maybe you should play on very easy if that's what you want?🤷‍♂️

PS: because the buffs you are asking for would make the game even more easy for lizardmen if it wasnt clear enough.

Modern_Erasmus#3567

There are certainly aspects of the Lizardmen roster that could use buffs or cost decreases (kroq gar, razordons, Arks of Sotek, and Dread saurian variants come to mind) but most of the suggestions here are either really OP or entirely unnecessary.

Lotus_Moon#2452

Modern_Erasmus said:

There are certainly aspects of the Lizardmen roster that could use buffs or cost decreases (kroq gar, razordons, Arks of Sotek, and Dread saurian variants come to mind) but most of the suggestions here are either really OP or entirely unnecessary.

I agree with the first 3 most definitely not the new monster, im in total opposite view on it.

Deep_echo_sound#4293

It is interesting, is C.A. really make their balance decisions based on most of this sub forum topics?
Because, many users here seems highly toxic.
Even if someone not agrees with some propositions, it is not right to be rude and make swarm attack on users.

And I hope C.A. is not that bad, that they listen only to few users here who play many games and very arrogant.
I see open trolling from them all the time here.

Well, even some, some youtubers are much more fair in their balance views and miles more polite and friendly.

Even if some of these negative users are high level on multiplayer, they are still very biased and very negative.

And moderators better do their job in not deleting my messages, but looking at constant arrogant stream on haughty users here. They got thousands of posts, right. But act very negative to some other members.
Open derision is only one step from open hate.

OrkLads

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dge1

Posts deleted. Several folks need to be much more careful in their counterpoint remarks. Including descriptive personal phrases and comments is not permitted, as most of the offending posters should know by now.

Also, marking a abuse or spam a differing opinion is getting very tiring to have to clean up. I suggest (very strongly) that those same people keep that in mind with any future comments and discussion.

sonofabhorash

Yo go play some beastmen or Brets against the current LZM you will know then..
Buffing top tier faction is not happenin