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Addressing the Lizardmen side of the discussion first, a cross game LP between them and the Daemons of Chaos would be thematic and serve to finish off what they're missing. That's the most ancient grudge match in the entire setting after all. We could have Tetto'ekko setting up shop in the Dragon Isles to uplift the feral lizardmen there on behalf of the Slann, bringing a magical focus to the DLC with Skink Oracles/Troglodons and Coatls for the LM roster. Oxyotl would make the perfect accompanying FLC, like Gor-rok was for Nakai, leading his own faction on an expedition perhaps on the edge of Ind and working with Tetto'eko against the Daemons, his greatest foe.
For the High Elf side of the discussion here there are three big Charlemagne units that can be added and I don't see all of them coming at once. White Lion Chariots, Lothern Skycutters and Merwyrms. For the coming Grom vs Eltharion DLC, perhaps Eltharion could come with White Lion Chariots, perhaps some Griffon Knights and a few more thematic units like Mist Walkers. Then you could leave the Lothern Skycutters and Merwyrms to accompany Sea Lord Aislinn in a cross game LP vs the Chaos Dwarfs. Recreate the Battle of Anurell's Tomb in White Dwarf issue 164, where the macguffin was an ancient HE artifact known as the Navigation Stone and the Asur battled against the Dawi Zhar on the shores of the Plain of Bone. Imrik of Caledor should get in, but I think he has less LP potential. FLC like Alith Anar was is fine.
I strongly disagree with the notion that Imrik of Caledor can be done properly within FLC format. He has a lot going for himself and his kingdom. The same can't be said about Eltharion and Aislinn.
Yeah... You say that a lot but your like the only one... So maybe you just got to admit your crushing on Imrik and its just you that feels this way about it.
That's false. The very thread is about making him DLC. I think it's because I know lore of the High Elves: of Imrik and Caledor.
I strongly disagree with the notion that Imrik of Caledor can be done properly within FLC format. He has a lot going for himself and his kingdom. The same can't be said about Eltharion and Aislinn.
He doesn't really have that much going for him though. If Imrik shows up in WH2 he'll be HE Lokhir.
Aside from being the perfect rival for Grom they can give Eltharion most of the missing HE units and he can bring griffons as mount options. While Aislinn represents the HE theme of naval superpower.
@fireatwill4 already mentioned him, so here I'm gonna (not really) throw in my towel for ma boy: Yrellian You want a campaign far outside of Ulthuan? That dude is all about Naval feats!!! In fact he doesn't even do homeland. You want more ugly flying snake-lizards? He always runs around with two of them and they actually are roaming about in feral mode (after justifying that nonsense). Basically half of Curse of the Vampire Coast and Tretch set the perfect precedent for him. ;-)
To be a bit more serious, Caledor and Imrik make sense as FLC. Their focus is on already existing stuff (Dragon Princes and their name giving pests) and the missing units (at least in large parts) fall into a Naval theme (Eltarion is kknown for his overseas campaigns). Also Grom vs Eltharion.
My thoughts exatcly, to add Yrellian, Finubar or Aislinn, naval battles or some mechanic akin to them would be needed to make them justice since they all have strong ties to the navy and since the most likely pairing will be Eltharion vs Grom that only would leave a theoretical spot for a FLC, (which likely wouldn't include any major mechanic) for Imrik or Korhil with the existing units and those the DLC would bring. As a FLC they just sound more plausible and they could be expanded upon on a rework on game 3.
Imrik without major mechanics would be an offencive addition to the game. The very suggestion hurts me deeply and truly.
I feel the same, but it would be better than not having him at all. Still a spot in a FLC doesn't mean lack of mechanics as demostrated by Alith. Personally I'd prefer Imrik over Eltharion because the possibility of dragon mages is enticing, but the general concesus seems to be that the DLC would be Eltharion vs Grom and with the amount of missing units, two HE DLCs seem unlikely as one could very well fill out the roster or bring it to near completion such as with LZM. It would be a pity to miss out on him even if he comes as a FLC CA has shown us with Alith that they can make them feel unique.
Addressing the Lizardmen side of the discussion first, a cross game LP between them and the Daemons of Chaos would be thematic and serve to finish off what they're missing. That's the most ancient grudge match in the entire setting after all. We could have Tetto'ekko setting up shop in the Dragon Isles to uplift the feral lizardmen there on behalf of the Slann, bringing a magical focus to the DLC with Skink Oracles/Troglodons and Coatls for the LM roster. Oxyotl would make the perfect accompanying FLC, like Gor-rok was for Nakai, leading his own faction on an expedition perhaps on the edge of Ind and working with Tetto'eko against the Daemons, his greatest foe.
For the High Elf side of the discussion here there are three big Charlemagne units that can be added and I don't see all of them coming at once. White Lion Chariots, Lothern Skycutters and Merwyrms. For the coming Grom vs Eltharion DLC, perhaps Eltharion could come with White Lion Chariots, perhaps some Griffon Knights and a few more thematic units like Mist Walkers. Then you could leave the Lothern Skycutters and Merwyrms to accompany Sea Lord Aislinn in a cross game LP vs the Chaos Dwarfs. Recreate the Battle of Anurell's Tomb in White Dwarf issue 164, where the macguffin was an ancient HE artifact known as the Navigation Stone and the Asur battled against the Dawi Zhar on the shores of the Plain of Bone. Imrik of Caledor should get in, but I think he has less LP potential. FLC like Alith Anar was is fine.
LZM are only missing one unit and two LLs, Chakax and Tetto'eko. This doesn't justify a LP. A rework on game three sounds more plausible to add what they have missing. On the side of HE most if not all missing units could fit into a single DLC with the rest left in limbo for a rework on game three if they are not added. The Merwyn already exists, for the Lothern Skycutter, eagles and bolt throwers are already in the game, phoenixes too, a good portion of the required assets for a good part of the DLC already exists.
I strongly disagree with the notion that Imrik of Caledor can be done properly within FLC format. He has a lot going for himself and his kingdom. The same can't be said about Eltharion and Aislinn.
He doesn't really have that much going for him though. If Imrik shows up in WH2 he'll be HE Lokhir.
Aside from being the perfect rival for Grom they can give Eltharion most of the missing HE units and he can bring griffons as mount options. While Aislinn represents the HE theme of naval superpower.
He really does though.
Eltharion doesn't fit those units more than Imrik. Caledor offers much more in terms of theme and gameplay than Yvresse. It represents both HE as a whole(via Draugnir) and their might.
I doubt CA will make unique model for HE griffon, so their recolours or simple remodels can be added alongside patch as FLC.
@fireatwill4 already mentioned him, so here I'm gonna (not really) throw in my towel for ma boy: Yrellian You want a campaign far outside of Ulthuan? That dude is all about Naval feats!!! In fact he doesn't even do homeland. You want more ugly flying snake-lizards? He always runs around with two of them and they actually are roaming about in feral mode (after justifying that nonsense). Basically half of Curse of the Vampire Coast and Tretch set the perfect precedent for him. ;-)
To be a bit more serious, Caledor and Imrik make sense as FLC. Their focus is on already existing stuff (Dragon Princes and their name giving pests) and the missing units (at least in large parts) fall into a Naval theme (Eltarion is kknown for his overseas campaigns). Also Grom vs Eltharion.
My thoughts exatcly, to add Yrellian, Finubar or Aislinn, naval battles or some mechanic akin to them would be needed to make them justice since they all have strong ties to the navy and since the most likely pairing will be Eltharion vs Grom that only would leave a theoretical spot for a FLC, (which likely wouldn't include any major mechanic) for Imrik or Korhil with the existing units and those the DLC would bring. As a FLC they just sound more plausible and they could be expanded upon on a rework on game 3.
Imrik without major mechanics would be an offencive addition to the game. The very suggestion hurts me deeply and truly.
I feel the same, but it would be better than not having him at all. Still a spot in a FLC doesn't mean lack of mechanics as demostrated by Alith. Personally I'd prefer Imrik over Eltharion because the possibility of dragon mages is enticing, but the general concesus seems to be that the DLC would be Eltharion vs Grom and with the amount of missing units, two HE DLCs seem unlikely as one could very well fill out the roster or bring it to near completion such as with LZM. It would be a pity to miss out on him even if he comes as a FLC CA has shown us with Alith that they can make them feel unique.
To be honest I find Alith Anar's campaign to be somewhat lacklustre. He could have been so much more than Snikch and Eshin. To hell with general consesus! The problem with FLC is also that they usually have simple animations and no fancy UI filled with flavourful wonders.
Vaul's Anvil, Caledor Dragontamer, dragon caverns, martial system over intrigues and maybe even civil war can be incorporated into Imrik and Caledor DLC. Not to mention mentioned by you Dragon Mages, and Emperor Dragons who are my wish. There is so much potential. It would be heartbreaking to see it all reduced to some guy who just buffs Dragon Princes and Dragons and maybe can get named dragon from a shallow mechanic.
For Caledor's sake, the main campaign of Game2 revolves around Dragontamer's creation!
I strongly disagree with the notion that Imrik of Caledor can be done properly within FLC format. He has a lot going for himself and his kingdom. The same can't be said about Eltharion and Aislinn.
He doesn't really have that much going for him though. If Imrik shows up in WH2 he'll be HE Lokhir.
Aside from being the perfect rival for Grom they can give Eltharion most of the missing HE units and he can bring griffons as mount options. While Aislinn represents the HE theme of naval superpower.
He really does though.
Eltharion doesn't fit those units more than Imrik. Caledor offers much more in terms of theme and gameplay than Yvresse. It represents both HE as a whole(via Draugnir) and their might.
I doubt CA will make unique model for HE griffon, so their recolours or simple remodels can be added alongside patch as FLC.
@fireatwill4 already mentioned him, so here I'm gonna (not really) throw in my towel for ma boy: Yrellian You want a campaign far outside of Ulthuan? That dude is all about Naval feats!!! In fact he doesn't even do homeland. You want more ugly flying snake-lizards? He always runs around with two of them and they actually are roaming about in feral mode (after justifying that nonsense). Basically half of Curse of the Vampire Coast and Tretch set the perfect precedent for him. ;-)
To be a bit more serious, Caledor and Imrik make sense as FLC. Their focus is on already existing stuff (Dragon Princes and their name giving pests) and the missing units (at least in large parts) fall into a Naval theme (Eltarion is kknown for his overseas campaigns). Also Grom vs Eltharion.
My thoughts exatcly, to add Yrellian, Finubar or Aislinn, naval battles or some mechanic akin to them would be needed to make them justice since they all have strong ties to the navy and since the most likely pairing will be Eltharion vs Grom that only would leave a theoretical spot for a FLC, (which likely wouldn't include any major mechanic) for Imrik or Korhil with the existing units and those the DLC would bring. As a FLC they just sound more plausible and they could be expanded upon on a rework on game 3.
Imrik without major mechanics would be an offencive addition to the game. The very suggestion hurts me deeply and truly.
I feel the same, but it would be better than not having him at all. Still a spot in a FLC doesn't mean lack of mechanics as demostrated by Alith. Personally I'd prefer Imrik over Eltharion because the possibility of dragon mages is enticing, but the general concesus seems to be that the DLC would be Eltharion vs Grom and with the amount of missing units, two HE DLCs seem unlikely as one could very well fill out the roster or bring it to near completion such as with LZM. It would be a pity to miss out on him even if he comes as a FLC CA has shown us with Alith that they can make them feel unique.
To be honest I find Alith Anar's campaign to be somewhat lacklustre. He could have been so much more than Snikch and Eshin. To hell with general consesus! The problem with FLC is also that they usually have simple animations and no fancy UI filled with flavourful wonders.
Vaul's Anvil, Caledor Dragontamer, dragon caverns, martial system over intrigues and maybe even civil war can be incorporated into Imrik and Caledor DLC. Not to mention mentioned by you Dragon Mages, and Emperor Dragons who are my wish. There is so much potential. It would be heartbreaking to see it all reduced to some guy who just buffs Dragon Princes and Dragons and maybe can get named dragon from a shallow mechanic.
For Caledor's sake, the main campaign of Game2 revolves around Dragontamer's creation!
i have to agree with you hard on this on ethiron at this point seems really lackluster unless CA does something unique like with malus. griffons < emperor dragon who can honestly bring a unique lore of magic in dragon songs. not even a competition .
finubar actually brings more to battle side of things then elthiron just cause he is anti large specialist. HELF already have two hybrid lords in teclis & everqueen both are not bad in melee.
I strongly disagree with the notion that Imrik of Caledor can be done properly within FLC format. He has a lot going for himself and his kingdom. The same can't be said about Eltharion and Aislinn.
He doesn't really have that much going for him though. If Imrik shows up in WH2 he'll be HE Lokhir.
Aside from being the perfect rival for Grom they can give Eltharion most of the missing HE units and he can bring griffons as mount options. While Aislinn represents the HE theme of naval superpower.
He really does though.
Eltharion doesn't fit those units more than Imrik. Caledor offers much more in terms of theme and gameplay than Yvresse. It represents both HE as a whole(via Draugnir) and their might.
I doubt CA will make unique model for HE griffon, so their recolours or simple remodels can be added alongside patch as FLC.
@fireatwill4 already mentioned him, so here I'm gonna (not really) throw in my towel for ma boy: Yrellian You want a campaign far outside of Ulthuan? That dude is all about Naval feats!!! In fact he doesn't even do homeland. You want more ugly flying snake-lizards? He always runs around with two of them and they actually are roaming about in feral mode (after justifying that nonsense). Basically half of Curse of the Vampire Coast and Tretch set the perfect precedent for him. ;-)
To be a bit more serious, Caledor and Imrik make sense as FLC. Their focus is on already existing stuff (Dragon Princes and their name giving pests) and the missing units (at least in large parts) fall into a Naval theme (Eltarion is kknown for his overseas campaigns). Also Grom vs Eltharion.
My thoughts exatcly, to add Yrellian, Finubar or Aislinn, naval battles or some mechanic akin to them would be needed to make them justice since they all have strong ties to the navy and since the most likely pairing will be Eltharion vs Grom that only would leave a theoretical spot for a FLC, (which likely wouldn't include any major mechanic) for Imrik or Korhil with the existing units and those the DLC would bring. As a FLC they just sound more plausible and they could be expanded upon on a rework on game 3.
Imrik without major mechanics would be an offencive addition to the game. The very suggestion hurts me deeply and truly.
I feel the same, but it would be better than not having him at all. Still a spot in a FLC doesn't mean lack of mechanics as demostrated by Alith. Personally I'd prefer Imrik over Eltharion because the possibility of dragon mages is enticing, but the general concesus seems to be that the DLC would be Eltharion vs Grom and with the amount of missing units, two HE DLCs seem unlikely as one could very well fill out the roster or bring it to near completion such as with LZM. It would be a pity to miss out on him even if he comes as a FLC CA has shown us with Alith that they can make them feel unique.
To be honest I find Alith Anar's campaign to be somewhat lacklustre. He could have been so much more than Snikch and Eshin. To hell with general consesus! The problem with FLC is also that they usually have simple animations and no fancy UI filled with flavourful wonders.
Vaul's Anvil, Caledor Dragontamer, dragon caverns, martial system over intrigues and maybe even civil war can be incorporated into Imrik and Caledor DLC. Not to mention mentioned by you Dragon Mages, and Emperor Dragons who are my wish. There is so much potential. It would be heartbreaking to see it all reduced to some guy who just buffs Dragon Princes and Dragons and maybe can get named dragon from a shallow mechanic.
For Caledor's sake, the main campaign of Game2 revolves around Dragontamer's creation!
CA's work has improved over time, for example Gor'Rok (a FLC) has unique animations even if the model is not particullary elaborate or eye catching. On regards to unique mechanics I agree that it would be much more interesting and could bring more to the table in relation with making dragons feel more impactful on top of the potential rework of mages in general as it was the case with LZM's Slanns, it's just matter of seeing if CA will give in into popular demand and do Eltharion vs Grom. Still of note is to remember that noone expected Snikch nor Malus and everyone was convinced it would be Throt vs Rakarth so CA might surprise us still.
I like Aislinn for FLC material for TWW2. Why? Lots of ocean. So much ocean. He does lead the Sea Patrol, after all. Hard to focus on water if he's in TWW3, which isn't likely going to have too much water.
Eltharion does sort of need to focus around Ulthuan, the Badlands, and Naggaroth. He could be put elsewhere, I guess, but it makes sense to have him in TWW2.
Imrik doesn't need water. Imrik can come just fine in Game three. Let him show up to eat some Daemons or something. I mean, him vs Gaulrauch would make some sense, yes?
I don’t actually care who comes first but Imrik definitely needs to be brought in . The arguments about sea power representing the HE are completely moot, because before the elves ever left their island it was their union with the dragons that allowed them to survive long enough for Caledor to create the vortex, and it’s the special bond with dragonkind that elevates the lords of Caledor above the rest of the HE nobility.
With the addition of the Dragon Isles we see perhaps the best possible inclusion of High Elves in game 3. I know some are hoping for him in the next High Elf DLC, and having him in Vortex makes sense lorewise, being a son of Caledor.
But, it is boring. CA is moving away from Vortex campaign for good reason, the new campaigns they are adding are better. Adding Imrik to Caledor would be to similar to a Tyrion campaign, and while the character himself would be a good addition to TW:WH, he would not bring that much new to Ulthuan. I would like Dragon Mages for High Elves in game 2, but is it DLC material?
With game crossover now being a thing, we can expect it in game three as well. But how would they incorporate High Elves as a crossover in game three? Do any of you know of a good pick here? I think Imrik is a very good choice, as a character who is adventure seeking and martial, and with a clear reason he would go on such an adventure, to awake the Dragons of old, and restore Caledor to greatness. With a Aislinn FLC, his fleet and Imriks dragons, their base on the Dragon Isles will be well secure.
I LOVE THIS!
Yes! Allows Elthrorian and Grom for WH2. And Imrik with Aislin for WH3 - perfect! I love the start position too.
Addressing the Lizardmen side of the discussion first, a cross game LP between them and the Daemons of Chaos would be thematic and serve to finish off what they're missing. That's the most ancient grudge match in the entire setting after all. We could have Tetto'ekko setting up shop in the Dragon Isles to uplift the feral lizardmen there on behalf of the Slann, bringing a magical focus to the DLC with Skink Oracles/Troglodons and Coatls for the LM roster. Oxyotl would make the perfect accompanying FLC, like Gor-rok was for Nakai, leading his own faction on an expedition perhaps on the edge of Ind and working with Tetto'eko against the Daemons, his greatest foe.
For the High Elf side of the discussion here there are three big Charlemagne units that can be added and I don't see all of them coming at once. White Lion Chariots, Lothern Skycutters and Merwyrms. For the coming Grom vs Eltharion DLC, perhaps Eltharion could come with White Lion Chariots, perhaps some Griffon Knights and a few more thematic units like Mist Walkers. Then you could leave the Lothern Skycutters and Merwyrms to accompany Sea Lord Aislinn in a cross game LP vs the Chaos Dwarfs. Recreate the Battle of Anurell's Tomb in White Dwarf issue 164, where the macguffin was an ancient HE artifact known as the Navigation Stone and the Asur battled against the Dawi Zhar on the shores of the Plain of Bone. Imrik of Caledor should get in, but I think he has less LP potential. FLC like Alith Anar was is fine.
LZM are only missing one unit and two LLs, Chakax and Tetto'eko. This doesn't justify a LP. A rework on game three sounds more plausible to add what they have missing. On the side of HE most if not all missing units could fit into a single DLC with the rest left in limbo for a rework on game three if they are not added. The Merwyn already exists, for the Lothern Skycutter, eagles and bolt throwers are already in the game, phoenixes too, a good portion of the required assets for a good part of the DLC already exists.
The last LP for LM only included a single unit from their 8th edition roster, the Razordon. Dread Saurians were from FW, Nakai from lore blurbs and Kroxigor Ancients and Sacred Kroxigors CA homebrew creations. They could easily make another DLC for them down the line with what's left. No one's asking for it immediately, but it's definitely possible.
On HE I'm actually of the opinion that we'll probably see just Eltharion with WLCs and LSCs in the next LP. I'd rather they not go this route however. What I suggested above ultimately gets more into the game, and that's what I hope to see, not what I think we'll see. It's all opinions and conjecture here, not facts.
Addressing the Lizardmen side of the discussion first, a cross game LP between them and the Daemons of Chaos would be thematic and serve to finish off what they're missing. That's the most ancient grudge match in the entire setting after all. We could have Tetto'ekko setting up shop in the Dragon Isles to uplift the feral lizardmen there on behalf of the Slann, bringing a magical focus to the DLC with Skink Oracles/Troglodons and Coatls for the LM roster. Oxyotl would make the perfect accompanying FLC, like Gor-rok was for Nakai, leading his own faction on an expedition perhaps on the edge of Ind and working with Tetto'eko against the Daemons, his greatest foe.
For the High Elf side of the discussion here there are three big Charlemagne units that can be added and I don't see all of them coming at once. White Lion Chariots, Lothern Skycutters and Merwyrms. For the coming Grom vs Eltharion DLC, perhaps Eltharion could come with White Lion Chariots, perhaps some Griffon Knights and a few more thematic units like Mist Walkers. Then you could leave the Lothern Skycutters and Merwyrms to accompany Sea Lord Aislinn in a cross game LP vs the Chaos Dwarfs. Recreate the Battle of Anurell's Tomb in White Dwarf issue 164, where the macguffin was an ancient HE artifact known as the Navigation Stone and the Asur battled against the Dawi Zhar on the shores of the Plain of Bone. Imrik of Caledor should get in, but I think he has less LP potential. FLC like Alith Anar was is fine.
I don't buy White Lion Chariots being a high Charlemagne unit. CA already has a feline skeleton (Warsphinx, and the Demigryph is pretty close apart from the head) and chariots are composite models. It wouldn't be much harder to make than the existing Cold One Chariot, certainly not harder than the Gorebeast Chariot.
Skycutter maybe, but only through the challenge of animating it - it's a composite of existing skeletons and a war machine with few moving parts.
Merwyrms... given the choice between them and Skycutters, I'd take Skycutters every day of the week and twice on Sundays. High Elves are not supposed to be about large land monsters. It's also a case where the challenge is mostly in animating it, since the model is done.
I like Aislinn for FLC material for TWW2. Why? Lots of ocean. So much ocean. He does lead the Sea Patrol, after all. Hard to focus on water if he's in TWW3, which isn't likely going to have too much water.
Eltharion does sort of need to focus around Ulthuan, the Badlands, and Naggaroth. He could be put elsewhere, I guess, but it makes sense to have him in TWW2.
Imrik doesn't need water. Imrik can come just fine in Game three. Let him show up to eat some Daemons or something. I mean, him vs Gaulrauch would make some sense, yes?
Hey @Canuovea how'd you get your profile pic? Is it moderator only?
I strongly disagree with the notion that Imrik of Caledor can be done properly within FLC format. He has a lot going for himself and his kingdom. The same can't be said about Eltharion and Aislinn.
He doesn't really have that much going for him though. If Imrik shows up in WH2 he'll be HE Lokhir.
Aside from being the perfect rival for Grom they can give Eltharion most of the missing HE units and he can bring griffons as mount options. While Aislinn represents the HE theme of naval superpower.
He really does though.
Eltharion doesn't fit those units more than Imrik. Caledor offers much more in terms of theme and gameplay than Yvresse. It represents both HE as a whole(via Draugnir) and their might.
I doubt CA will make unique model for HE griffon, so their recolours or simple remodels can be added alongside patch as FLC.
@fireatwill4 already mentioned him, so here I'm gonna (not really) throw in my towel for ma boy: Yrellian You want a campaign far outside of Ulthuan? That dude is all about Naval feats!!! In fact he doesn't even do homeland. You want more ugly flying snake-lizards? He always runs around with two of them and they actually are roaming about in feral mode (after justifying that nonsense). Basically half of Curse of the Vampire Coast and Tretch set the perfect precedent for him. ;-)
To be a bit more serious, Caledor and Imrik make sense as FLC. Their focus is on already existing stuff (Dragon Princes and their name giving pests) and the missing units (at least in large parts) fall into a Naval theme (Eltarion is kknown for his overseas campaigns). Also Grom vs Eltharion.
My thoughts exatcly, to add Yrellian, Finubar or Aislinn, naval battles or some mechanic akin to them would be needed to make them justice since they all have strong ties to the navy and since the most likely pairing will be Eltharion vs Grom that only would leave a theoretical spot for a FLC, (which likely wouldn't include any major mechanic) for Imrik or Korhil with the existing units and those the DLC would bring. As a FLC they just sound more plausible and they could be expanded upon on a rework on game 3.
Imrik without major mechanics would be an offencive addition to the game. The very suggestion hurts me deeply and truly.
I feel the same, but it would be better than not having him at all. Still a spot in a FLC doesn't mean lack of mechanics as demostrated by Alith. Personally I'd prefer Imrik over Eltharion because the possibility of dragon mages is enticing, but the general concesus seems to be that the DLC would be Eltharion vs Grom and with the amount of missing units, two HE DLCs seem unlikely as one could very well fill out the roster or bring it to near completion such as with LZM. It would be a pity to miss out on him even if he comes as a FLC CA has shown us with Alith that they can make them feel unique.
To be honest I find Alith Anar's campaign to be somewhat lacklustre. He could have been so much more than Snikch and Eshin. To hell with general consesus! The problem with FLC is also that they usually have simple animations and no fancy UI filled with flavourful wonders.
Vaul's Anvil, Caledor Dragontamer, dragon caverns, martial system over intrigues and maybe even civil war can be incorporated into Imrik and Caledor DLC. Not to mention mentioned by you Dragon Mages, and Emperor Dragons who are my wish. There is so much potential. It would be heartbreaking to see it all reduced to some guy who just buffs Dragon Princes and Dragons and maybe can get named dragon from a shallow mechanic.
For Caledor's sake, the main campaign of Game2 revolves around Dragontamer's creation!
i have to agree with you hard on this on ethiron at this point seems really lackluster unless CA does something unique like with malus. griffons < emperor dragon who can honestly bring a unique lore of magic in dragon songs. not even a competition .
finubar actually brings more to battle side of things then elthiron just cause he is anti large specialist. HELF already have two hybrid lords in teclis & everqueen both are not bad in melee.
Hmmm where did you see that Finubar is an anti large specialist ? I think he never had TT rules. Even in the lore he is not known for his martial capability. Finubar would bring a commercial and diplomatic focus for HE, nothing battle related.
And if Teclis and Alarielle are hybrid lord then every caster LL in the game is a hybrid lord. They are both very weak in melee. Malekith/Manfred/Luthor/Azhag (a weak one) are hybrid lord, Teclis and Alarielle aren't.
Both Eltharion and Imrik should be in the game and both have very strong argument to be in. I highly prefer Eltharion because of his lore and i think not include him with Grom and their iconic rivalry would be a huge missed opportunity.
I strongly disagree with the notion that Imrik of Caledor can be done properly within FLC format. He has a lot going for himself and his kingdom. The same can't be said about Eltharion and Aislinn.
He doesn't really have that much going for him though. If Imrik shows up in WH2 he'll be HE Lokhir.
Aside from being the perfect rival for Grom they can give Eltharion most of the missing HE units and he can bring griffons as mount options. While Aislinn represents the HE theme of naval superpower.
He really does though.
Eltharion doesn't fit those units more than Imrik. Caledor offers much more in terms of theme and gameplay than Yvresse. It represents both HE as a whole(via Draugnir) and their might.
I doubt CA will make unique model for HE griffon, so their recolours or simple remodels can be added alongside patch as FLC.
@fireatwill4 already mentioned him, so here I'm gonna (not really) throw in my towel for ma boy: Yrellian You want a campaign far outside of Ulthuan? That dude is all about Naval feats!!! In fact he doesn't even do homeland. You want more ugly flying snake-lizards? He always runs around with two of them and they actually are roaming about in feral mode (after justifying that nonsense). Basically half of Curse of the Vampire Coast and Tretch set the perfect precedent for him. ;-)
To be a bit more serious, Caledor and Imrik make sense as FLC. Their focus is on already existing stuff (Dragon Princes and their name giving pests) and the missing units (at least in large parts) fall into a Naval theme (Eltarion is kknown for his overseas campaigns). Also Grom vs Eltharion.
My thoughts exatcly, to add Yrellian, Finubar or Aislinn, naval battles or some mechanic akin to them would be needed to make them justice since they all have strong ties to the navy and since the most likely pairing will be Eltharion vs Grom that only would leave a theoretical spot for a FLC, (which likely wouldn't include any major mechanic) for Imrik or Korhil with the existing units and those the DLC would bring. As a FLC they just sound more plausible and they could be expanded upon on a rework on game 3.
Imrik without major mechanics would be an offencive addition to the game. The very suggestion hurts me deeply and truly.
I feel the same, but it would be better than not having him at all. Still a spot in a FLC doesn't mean lack of mechanics as demostrated by Alith. Personally I'd prefer Imrik over Eltharion because the possibility of dragon mages is enticing, but the general concesus seems to be that the DLC would be Eltharion vs Grom and with the amount of missing units, two HE DLCs seem unlikely as one could very well fill out the roster or bring it to near completion such as with LZM. It would be a pity to miss out on him even if he comes as a FLC CA has shown us with Alith that they can make them feel unique.
To be honest I find Alith Anar's campaign to be somewhat lacklustre. He could have been so much more than Snikch and Eshin. To hell with general consesus! The problem with FLC is also that they usually have simple animations and no fancy UI filled with flavourful wonders.
Vaul's Anvil, Caledor Dragontamer, dragon caverns, martial system over intrigues and maybe even civil war can be incorporated into Imrik and Caledor DLC. Not to mention mentioned by you Dragon Mages, and Emperor Dragons who are my wish. There is so much potential. It would be heartbreaking to see it all reduced to some guy who just buffs Dragon Princes and Dragons and maybe can get named dragon from a shallow mechanic.
For Caledor's sake, the main campaign of Game2 revolves around Dragontamer's creation!
i have to agree with you hard on this on ethiron at this point seems really lackluster unless CA does something unique like with malus. griffons < emperor dragon who can honestly bring a unique lore of magic in dragon songs. not even a competition .
finubar actually brings more to battle side of things then elthiron just cause he is anti large specialist. HELF already have two hybrid lords in teclis & everqueen both are not bad in melee.
Hmmm where did you see that Finubar is an anti large specialist ? I think he never had TT rules. Even in the lore he is not known for his martial capability. Finubar would bring a commercial and diplomatic focus for HE, nothing battle related.
And if Teclis and Alarielle are hybrid lord then every caster LL in the game is a hybrid lord. They are both very weak in melee. Malekith/Manfred/Luthor/Azhag (a weak one) are hybrid lord, Teclis and Alarielle aren't.
Both Eltharion and Imrik should be in the game and both have very strong argument to be in. I highly prefer Eltharion because of his lore and i think not include him with Grom and their iconic rivalry would be a huge missed opportunity.
finubar weapon description says it killed hydra. so yeah he kind of is, and his weapon is type of gleave.
I strongly disagree with the notion that Imrik of Caledor can be done properly within FLC format. He has a lot going for himself and his kingdom. The same can't be said about Eltharion and Aislinn.
He doesn't really have that much going for him though. If Imrik shows up in WH2 he'll be HE Lokhir.
Aside from being the perfect rival for Grom they can give Eltharion most of the missing HE units and he can bring griffons as mount options. While Aislinn represents the HE theme of naval superpower.
He really does though.
Eltharion doesn't fit those units more than Imrik. Caledor offers much more in terms of theme and gameplay than Yvresse. It represents both HE as a whole(via Draugnir) and their might.
I doubt CA will make unique model for HE griffon, so their recolours or simple remodels can be added alongside patch as FLC.
@fireatwill4 already mentioned him, so here I'm gonna (not really) throw in my towel for ma boy: Yrellian You want a campaign far outside of Ulthuan? That dude is all about Naval feats!!! In fact he doesn't even do homeland. You want more ugly flying snake-lizards? He always runs around with two of them and they actually are roaming about in feral mode (after justifying that nonsense). Basically half of Curse of the Vampire Coast and Tretch set the perfect precedent for him. ;-)
To be a bit more serious, Caledor and Imrik make sense as FLC. Their focus is on already existing stuff (Dragon Princes and their name giving pests) and the missing units (at least in large parts) fall into a Naval theme (Eltarion is kknown for his overseas campaigns). Also Grom vs Eltharion.
My thoughts exatcly, to add Yrellian, Finubar or Aislinn, naval battles or some mechanic akin to them would be needed to make them justice since they all have strong ties to the navy and since the most likely pairing will be Eltharion vs Grom that only would leave a theoretical spot for a FLC, (which likely wouldn't include any major mechanic) for Imrik or Korhil with the existing units and those the DLC would bring. As a FLC they just sound more plausible and they could be expanded upon on a rework on game 3.
Imrik without major mechanics would be an offencive addition to the game. The very suggestion hurts me deeply and truly.
I feel the same, but it would be better than not having him at all. Still a spot in a FLC doesn't mean lack of mechanics as demostrated by Alith. Personally I'd prefer Imrik over Eltharion because the possibility of dragon mages is enticing, but the general concesus seems to be that the DLC would be Eltharion vs Grom and with the amount of missing units, two HE DLCs seem unlikely as one could very well fill out the roster or bring it to near completion such as with LZM. It would be a pity to miss out on him even if he comes as a FLC CA has shown us with Alith that they can make them feel unique.
To be honest I find Alith Anar's campaign to be somewhat lacklustre. He could have been so much more than Snikch and Eshin. To hell with general consesus! The problem with FLC is also that they usually have simple animations and no fancy UI filled with flavourful wonders.
Vaul's Anvil, Caledor Dragontamer, dragon caverns, martial system over intrigues and maybe even civil war can be incorporated into Imrik and Caledor DLC. Not to mention mentioned by you Dragon Mages, and Emperor Dragons who are my wish. There is so much potential. It would be heartbreaking to see it all reduced to some guy who just buffs Dragon Princes and Dragons and maybe can get named dragon from a shallow mechanic.
For Caledor's sake, the main campaign of Game2 revolves around Dragontamer's creation!
i have to agree with you hard on this on ethiron at this point seems really lackluster unless CA does something unique like with malus. griffons < emperor dragon who can honestly bring a unique lore of magic in dragon songs. not even a competition .
finubar actually brings more to battle side of things then elthiron just cause he is anti large specialist. HELF already have two hybrid lords in teclis & everqueen both are not bad in melee.
I agree wholeheartedly.
In fact I encourage everybody to read novels. Imrik is a multi-layered character. The same can't be said about Eltharion.
I strongly disagree with the notion that Imrik of Caledor can be done properly within FLC format. He has a lot going for himself and his kingdom. The same can't be said about Eltharion and Aislinn.
He doesn't really have that much going for him though. If Imrik shows up in WH2 he'll be HE Lokhir.
Aside from being the perfect rival for Grom they can give Eltharion most of the missing HE units and he can bring griffons as mount options. While Aislinn represents the HE theme of naval superpower.
He really does though.
Eltharion doesn't fit those units more than Imrik. Caledor offers much more in terms of theme and gameplay than Yvresse. It represents both HE as a whole(via Draugnir) and their might.
I doubt CA will make unique model for HE griffon, so their recolours or simple remodels can be added alongside patch as FLC.
@fireatwill4 already mentioned him, so here I'm gonna (not really) throw in my towel for ma boy: Yrellian You want a campaign far outside of Ulthuan? That dude is all about Naval feats!!! In fact he doesn't even do homeland. You want more ugly flying snake-lizards? He always runs around with two of them and they actually are roaming about in feral mode (after justifying that nonsense). Basically half of Curse of the Vampire Coast and Tretch set the perfect precedent for him. ;-)
To be a bit more serious, Caledor and Imrik make sense as FLC. Their focus is on already existing stuff (Dragon Princes and their name giving pests) and the missing units (at least in large parts) fall into a Naval theme (Eltarion is kknown for his overseas campaigns). Also Grom vs Eltharion.
My thoughts exatcly, to add Yrellian, Finubar or Aislinn, naval battles or some mechanic akin to them would be needed to make them justice since they all have strong ties to the navy and since the most likely pairing will be Eltharion vs Grom that only would leave a theoretical spot for a FLC, (which likely wouldn't include any major mechanic) for Imrik or Korhil with the existing units and those the DLC would bring. As a FLC they just sound more plausible and they could be expanded upon on a rework on game 3.
Imrik without major mechanics would be an offencive addition to the game. The very suggestion hurts me deeply and truly.
I feel the same, but it would be better than not having him at all. Still a spot in a FLC doesn't mean lack of mechanics as demostrated by Alith. Personally I'd prefer Imrik over Eltharion because the possibility of dragon mages is enticing, but the general concesus seems to be that the DLC would be Eltharion vs Grom and with the amount of missing units, two HE DLCs seem unlikely as one could very well fill out the roster or bring it to near completion such as with LZM. It would be a pity to miss out on him even if he comes as a FLC CA has shown us with Alith that they can make them feel unique.
To be honest I find Alith Anar's campaign to be somewhat lacklustre. He could have been so much more than Snikch and Eshin. To hell with general consesus! The problem with FLC is also that they usually have simple animations and no fancy UI filled with flavourful wonders.
Vaul's Anvil, Caledor Dragontamer, dragon caverns, martial system over intrigues and maybe even civil war can be incorporated into Imrik and Caledor DLC. Not to mention mentioned by you Dragon Mages, and Emperor Dragons who are my wish. There is so much potential. It would be heartbreaking to see it all reduced to some guy who just buffs Dragon Princes and Dragons and maybe can get named dragon from a shallow mechanic.
For Caledor's sake, the main campaign of Game2 revolves around Dragontamer's creation!
CA's work has improved over time, for example Gor'Rok (a FLC) has unique animations even if the model is not particullary elaborate or eye catching. On regards to unique mechanics I agree that it would be much more interesting and could bring more to the table in relation with making dragons feel more impactful on top of the potential rework of mages in general as it was the case with LZM's Slanns, it's just matter of seeing if CA will give in into popular demand and do Eltharion vs Grom. Still of note is to remember that noone expected Snikch nor Malus and everyone was convinced it would be Throt vs Rakarth so CA might surprise us still.
I'm afraid it hasn't improved enough. Gor-Rok is a good example. People were expecting him to lorefully plant his shield in the ground, brace and become an immovable object but it didn't happen. And I think it would be even more difficult to give unique animations to Minaithnir and Imrik, to incorporate lance trusts from dragon's back. I hope for a big and positive surprise.
I like Aislinn for FLC material for TWW2. Why? Lots of ocean. So much ocean. He does lead the Sea Patrol, after all. Hard to focus on water if he's in TWW3, which isn't likely going to have too much water.
Eltharion does sort of need to focus around Ulthuan, the Badlands, and Naggaroth. He could be put elsewhere, I guess, but it makes sense to have him in TWW2.
Imrik doesn't need water. Imrik can come just fine in Game three. Let him show up to eat some Daemons or something. I mean, him vs Gaulrauch would make some sense, yes?
There is a problem with Imrik vs. Galrauch. While thematically it is great I'm afraid CA wouldn't do it because it doesn't offer enough variety. In the end it is a dragonrider vs. dragon. Some philistines who don't like dragons could feel left out.
Hmmm where did you see that Finubar is an anti large specialist ? I think he never had TT rules. Even in the lore he is not known for his martial capability. Finubar would bring a commercial and diplomatic focus for HE, nothing battle related.
To be fair, Finubar is consistently described as an accomplished warrior and general. It's just that by High Elf standards, he's nothing special in these fields: he's on the same level as a generic High Elf Prince*. There are multiple Princes and only one Phoenix King, as well as generals and warriors who are better than Finubar such as Tyrion, Imrik and Eltharion, so there's little value in Finubar risking himself in battle personally unless things are just that dire.
*Referring here to the Lord-level Prince, not Dragon Princes. It's worth noting that in High Elf aristocracy, the title of "Prince" refers to someone who owns a weapon or other piece of wargear forged at Vaul's Anvil during the time of Aenarion. Most of these were probably concentrated in Caledor and Nagarythe, making "Princes" common enough in Caledor to encompass most of the nobility, while rare enough in other provinces to be restricted to the most impressive characters. (Those that were in Nagarythe were probably mostly taken to Naggaroth, and the Druchii are less attached to sentimentality.)
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0 · Disagree AgreeEltharion doesn't fit those units more than Imrik. Caledor offers much more in terms of theme and gameplay than Yvresse. It represents both HE as a whole(via Draugnir) and their might.
I doubt CA will make unique model for HE griffon, so their recolours or simple remodels can be added alongside patch as FLC. To be honest I find Alith Anar's campaign to be somewhat lacklustre. He could have been so much more than Snikch and Eshin. To hell with general consesus! The problem with FLC is also that they usually have simple animations and no fancy UI filled with flavourful wonders.
Vaul's Anvil, Caledor Dragontamer, dragon caverns, martial system over intrigues and maybe even civil war can be incorporated into Imrik and Caledor DLC. Not to mention mentioned by you Dragon Mages, and Emperor Dragons who are my wish. There is so much potential. It would be heartbreaking to see it all reduced to some guy who just buffs Dragon Princes and Dragons and maybe can get named dragon from a shallow mechanic.
For Caledor's sake, the main campaign of Game2 revolves around Dragontamer's creation!
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0 · Disagree Agreegriffons < emperor dragon who can honestly bring a unique lore of magic in dragon songs. not even a competition .
finubar actually brings more to battle side of things then elthiron just cause he is anti large specialist.
HELF already have two hybrid lords in teclis & everqueen both are not bad in melee.
#givemoreunitsforbrettonia, my bret dlc
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0 · Disagree AgreeI like Aislinn for FLC material for TWW2. Why? Lots of ocean. So much ocean. He does lead the Sea Patrol, after all. Hard to focus on water if he's in TWW3, which isn't likely going to have too much water.
Eltharion does sort of need to focus around Ulthuan, the Badlands, and Naggaroth. He could be put elsewhere, I guess, but it makes sense to have him in TWW2.
Imrik doesn't need water. Imrik can come just fine in Game three. Let him show up to eat some Daemons or something. I mean, him vs Gaulrauch would make some sense, yes?
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3 · Disagree Agree@Canuovea Imrik vs Galrauch would be perfect.
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0 · Disagree AgreeYes! Allows Elthrorian and Grom for WH2. And Imrik with Aislin for WH3 - perfect! I love the start position too.
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1 · Disagree AgreeOn HE I'm actually of the opinion that we'll probably see just Eltharion with WLCs and LSCs in the next LP. I'd rather they not go this route however. What I suggested above ultimately gets more into the game, and that's what I hope to see, not what I think we'll see. It's all opinions and conjecture here, not facts.
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0 · Disagree AgreeSkycutter maybe, but only through the challenge of animating it - it's a composite of existing skeletons and a war machine with few moving parts.
Merwyrms... given the choice between them and Skycutters, I'd take Skycutters every day of the week and twice on Sundays. High Elves are not supposed to be about large land monsters. It's also a case where the challenge is mostly in animating it, since the model is done.
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0 · Disagree AgreeAnd if Teclis and Alarielle are hybrid lord then every caster LL in the game is a hybrid lord. They are both very weak in melee. Malekith/Manfred/Luthor/Azhag (a weak one) are hybrid lord, Teclis and Alarielle aren't.
Both Eltharion and Imrik should be in the game and both have very strong argument to be in. I highly prefer Eltharion because of his lore and i think not include him with Grom and their iconic rivalry would be a huge missed opportunity.
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0 · Disagree AgreeIn fact I encourage everybody to read novels. Imrik is a multi-layered character. The same can't be said about Eltharion.
I'm afraid it hasn't improved enough. Gor-Rok is a good example. People were expecting him to lorefully plant his shield in the ground, brace and become an immovable object but it didn't happen. And I think it would be even more difficult to give unique animations to Minaithnir and Imrik, to incorporate lance trusts from dragon's back. I hope for a big and positive surprise. There is a problem with Imrik vs. Galrauch. While thematically it is great I'm afraid CA wouldn't do it because it doesn't offer enough variety. In the end it is a dragonrider vs. dragon. Some philistines who don't like dragons could feel left out.
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0 · Disagree Agree*Referring here to the Lord-level Prince, not Dragon Princes. It's worth noting that in High Elf aristocracy, the title of "Prince" refers to someone who owns a weapon or other piece of wargear forged at Vaul's Anvil during the time of Aenarion. Most of these were probably concentrated in Caledor and Nagarythe, making "Princes" common enough in Caledor to encompass most of the nobility, while rare enough in other provinces to be restricted to the most impressive characters. (Those that were in Nagarythe were probably mostly taken to Naggaroth, and the Druchii are less attached to sentimentality.)
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