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Best Lord to manage a bonded Sword of Khaine

Hello everyone!

For my first post on this forum for a game i totally love, i would like to have your impression on which lord is best to be able to manage a permanent bond with the sword of Khaine.

I think the obvious candidates are hoard faction legendary lords, given that they are kinda oblivious to the public order debuff, and that hoards that are leveled enough tend to have pretty good upkeep reduction to upset the increase that come with the sword.

In my opinion semi-hoards can still manage it, and my favorite to do it is Noctilus. With his ship buildings, you can use him and his researched lords as a recruitment base, and that leaves you with enough building slots to be able to manage the public order while still taking good money out of your captured provinces.

But the fact is, and that's where your input comes in, i do not have a few of the latest DLC, but know that there is a few semi-hoard faction in there. As doing campaign managing the challenge of keeping the sword is something i really enjoy, i would like to have your opinion on the potential for "post-vampire coast" faction to be able to pull i off.

Let's see what you people gotta say!






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  • Fear_The_WolfFear_The_Wolf Registered Users Posts: 3,385
    Archaon

    Once he has the sword of Khaine your only next step is killing Isabella to give him regen. Once these two occur, the game is effectively over. Nothing can kill him anymore.
  • Madscientist16180Madscientist16180 Registered Users Posts: 4

    Archaon

    Once he has the sword of Khaine your only next step is killing Isabella to give him regen. Once these two occur, the game is effectively over. Nothing can kill him anymore.

    I completely agree with all that you wrote.
    That being said, i kinda did not specify it but i'm looking at building an evil empire on the sword power, not destroy the world :smiley:

    Well, i did destroy the world with that exact set-up, now i'm more looking at seizing it for myself!
  • AnotherElfAnotherElf Registered Users Posts: 148
    Nakai the Wanderer for Eye of The Vortex. You’re technically a horde, so you don’t have to worry about public order, and any upkeep issues get countered by the fact that Nakai with the sword can basically be fielded solo as a one man army. He’s high armour, high mass, already very high damage, I’m pretty sure has perfect vigour by midgame, Terror, can be given regen by killing Isabella in ME, and has a ridiculous amount of health.
  • Madscientist16180Madscientist16180 Registered Users Posts: 4

    Nakai the Wanderer for Eye of The Vortex. You’re technically a horde, so you don’t have to worry about public order, and any upkeep issues get countered by the fact that Nakai with the sword can basically be fielded solo as a one man army. He’s high armour, high mass, already very high damage, I’m pretty sure has perfect vigour by midgame, Terror, can be given regen by killing Isabella in ME, and has a ridiculous amount of health.

    Hum, perfect vigour for a sword of Khaine wielding lord sounds pretty juicy!
    Can he grab land at all?
  • SaurianDruidSaurianDruid Registered Users Posts: 1,003
    Morghur might be a neat choice. Already has regen and is very tanky. Nearly immune to archer fire. Poison attacks to reduce melee damage.

    Plus thematically it would be pretty hilarious for a reincarnating Beastlord to draw the Sword of Khaine and use it to slay Archaon, usurping the position of Everchosen in spite of the Chaos Gods and their favoritism.
  • BereaverBereaver Registered Users Posts: 509

    Nakai the Wanderer for Eye of The Vortex. You’re technically a horde, so you don’t have to worry about public order, and any upkeep issues get countered by the fact that Nakai with the sword can basically be fielded solo as a one man army. He’s high armour, high mass, already very high damage, I’m pretty sure has perfect vigour by midgame, Terror, can be given regen by killing Isabella in ME, and has a ridiculous amount of health.

    Hum, perfect vigour for a sword of Khaine wielding lord sounds pretty juicy!
    Can he grab land at all?
    Keep in mind that every LL in the game can get perfect vigour now - campaigner trait (fight battles very far away from capital) now gives perfect vigour as a reward.

    Also every Bretonnian Lord can get perfect vigour and has control commandment, giving whooping +10 public order provincewide.

    In addition to that, I would not advise to give SoK to any Lord with +PO weapon (Karl Franz, Settra, Skarsnik, Thorgrim, Tyrion etc.) It would be better to equip generic lord with the weapon in this cases.

    High Elf Prince on the Star Dragon is particulary devastating with Sword of Khaine.
  • doclumbagodoclumbago Registered Users Posts: 1,520
    edited December 2019
    Luthor Harkon.
    you get

    Terror
    Flying
    Regen (through Terrorgheist)
    Explosive Missile shots / Fire whilst moving
    three Dragon Breaths
    Magic Resist
    two Debuffs (names escape me atm)
    three canon shots by building the Cannon / Harpoon slot in your ship

    Max out the Melee Tree
    on top of that SoK.

    Unbreakable Mobile Weapons platform
  • CrossilCrossil Registered Users Posts: 5,993
    If you want to keep your empire intact then Settra. He has so many public order bonuses that he just doesn't care about the penalties.
    UNLEASH THE EVERCHARIOT
  • doclumbagodoclumbago Registered Users Posts: 1,520
    And Vampire Counts where the Money building is the PO building
    so you can build them everywhere without hampering your economics
  • TennisgolfbollTennisgolfboll Registered Users Posts: 8,363
    Many options really. So many are viable.

    Bretonnia gets +10 PO from their commandment though. And has no supply lines so can field alot of lords.
    Read all my replies as if we are having a pint and a good old time. I will always read your reply like that.
  • ValkaarValkaar Junior Member Registered Users Posts: 1,982
    Honestly, I’ve bonded the Sword to Mazda, Mannfred, and several other lords on Legendary and it’s perfectly possible to stabilize your public order, even with the debuffs.

    Sure, a hoard makes it easier to manage. But it’s impossible with a regular landed faction.

    So I’m just saying.... you don’t have to paint yourself into that box if you want to play a traditional style.
  • Arcani_4_EverArcani_4_Ever Junior Member Registered Users Posts: 2,376
    The best Sword of Khaine weilders are the Lord that are duelist or have bonus vs infantry.

    Kholek Suneater is generally considered the best Sword of Khaine wielder. As his animation can throw around entire units. Add the Sword of Khaine, not only he throws them around. He has also killed them.

    Archaon can be a good Sword of Khaine wielder. But Kholek is the best. So you would rather give it to Kholek.

    For other Factions.

    Durthu and Orion can be quite good with the Sword of Khaine. Orion specifically, as it also buffs his Ranged Spear.

    Queek Headtaker can become the best duelist on the game with the Sword of Khaine.

    From what i can see from the DLC, both Malus Darkblade and Deathmaster Sniktch will benefit a lot from the Sword of Khaine as they are duelist lords.
  • MonochromaticSpiderMonochromaticSpider Registered Users Posts: 860
    Hordes are obviously good candidates for SoK, since they don't suffer the public order problem. WoC in particular are nuts. Archaon with the sword is very strong, Siggy with the sword is actually nuts in sieges, and Kholek is beyond broken. The Beastmen lords, with them being overall rather less terrifying, gain more from the sword buffs, but their end result is still not that broken.

    But the most obvious candidate for the SoK would probably be HE, I think. They have access to practically infinite global +PO, and they have the economy to make the upkeep increase irrelevant. And Tyrion with SoK and a life mage somewhere in the rear field is almost unstoppable. Nothing can hit him in melee, just about, and anything that somehow lands a hit won't really hurt him anyway. A regular lord on a really big dragon and SoK buffs is also no joke.
  • MrDeathAndGoreMrDeathAndGore Junior Member Registered Users Posts: 7
    edited December 2019
    IMO if you're going to have an invincible death machine, you may as well have a -flying- invincible death machine.

    So for flying LL & Lords you've got Dark Elves, High Elves, Lizardmen, Vampire Coast, The Empire, Bretonnia, Greenskins, Chaos, Wood Elves, and Vampire Counts.

    Notably, the Vampire Counts and Vampire Coast have Legendary Lords with -no weapon quest- & -flying mounts- & - spell casting- & -melee specialism- These lords are Luthor Harkon (Melee buffs are random), Isabella von Carstein, and The Red Duke (Must confederate Mousillon). Alastar The White Lion of the High Elves has no spells, but meets every aforementioned arguable perk in regards to Widowmaker. Isabella is the only one of the four that has no access to a Dragon mount. But this is just a preference on my part. Sticking Widowmaker on Tyrion or Archaon will also yield an unstoppable killing machine.

    Post Vampire Coast, I'd imagine the Vampire Counts were chiefly ideal candidates for Widowmaker because
    1. They have a strong economy and order structure as mentioned previously
    2. Their allies and enemies are pretty much set in stone. They aren't going to find allies in the High Elves or Lizardmen once they blow up the Empire and Dwarves. And they won't make enemies of anyone opposed to those factions.
    3. They have some of the most powerful melee lords in the game.

    And, of course, High Elves or Dark Elves. Because they're both the factions that have quickest access to it.

    As mentioned, every debuff provided is well established game mechanic and every faction has a way to cope with those mechanics.

    Intentionally parking armies in low order regions, never build a public order buildings, and even raiding them to drop public order near the Capital is a great way to level up an army. I've had brand new lords early on that would rank up past some of my most veteran lords this way. You can also farm faction specific resources like Tomb King jars or Food. Once the corruption in the province starts to stabilize to the point that a rebel army doesn't appear in 4-5 or more turns, I'll begin focusing on rebuilding order infrastructure.



  • endurendur Registered Users Posts: 3,391
    Any of the lords whose victory conditions do not require a large empire can do pretty well with the Sword of Khaine.

    Simliarly any faction with lots of public order bonuses works well.

    Hordes: Beastmen, Chaos, Nakai
    Semi Hordes: Norsca
    High Public Order: High Elves
    Alternate Victory Conditions: Bretonnia, Wood Elves, Vampire Coast, Tomb Kings
  • brago90brago90 Registered Users Posts: 413
    Malus for the memes, full Tzarkan khainita.
  • AnotherElfAnotherElf Registered Users Posts: 148

    Nakai the Wanderer for Eye of The Vortex. You’re technically a horde, so you don’t have to worry about public order, and any upkeep issues get countered by the fact that Nakai with the sword can basically be fielded solo as a one man army. He’s high armour, high mass, already very high damage, I’m pretty sure has perfect vigour by midgame, Terror, can be given regen by killing Isabella in ME, and has a ridiculous amount of health.

    Hum, perfect vigour for a sword of Khaine wielding lord sounds pretty juicy!
    Can he grab land at all?
    He can donate land to his vassal.

    Also, he doesn’t have any special weapon, so the Sword of Khaine is an easy pick for him.
  • doclumbagodoclumbago Registered Users Posts: 1,520

    And Vampire Counts where the Money building is the PO building
    so you can build them everywhere without hampering your economics

    And i´d like to add Vampire Counts can get Skeletons upkeep-free
    so that is working for the increased Upkeep that goes with the SoK

    And they have strong Healing
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