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WD article: 25 most influential Warhammer characters

Red_Dox#2328Red_Dox#2328 Junior MemberRegistered Users Posts: 6,460
edited September 2020 in General Discussion
While digging around for some dwarf stuff, I stumbled about this list in WD#340. And since this forum has all the time topics like "Who is the strongest, the most handsome, the best wizard, etc", why not share it with people who might never have seen it before?

Sidenote: list is from 6/7th edition. So basically Storm of Chaos was still a thing and no "The (horrible) Endtimes" stuff is of relevance.








And Grom made it to number 7. The hero we deserve in a future crossover DLC;)



------Red Dox
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  • SiWI#8629SiWI#8629 Senior Member Registered Users Posts: 12,014
    I found it wierd that rules of entire countires/kingdoms have less "influence" then a slayer dwarf and his buddy doing s... stuff.
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  • Goatforce#6625Goatforce#6625 Registered Users Posts: 8,448
    Haha, Settra made both the official list and the honourable mentions :lol:

    Also love Thanquol being disqualified for vote rigging
  • #69120#69120 Registered Users Posts: 431
    Nice! But number 1... White dwarf for white dwarf stuff... XD
    The number 1 should be the second: Sigmar!
  • kevManiac#4754kevManiac#4754 Registered Users Posts: 1,048
    Thanks for uploading this, was really fun reading this! And Thanquol being disqualified for rigging the vote system is just perfect haha
    Races I'd like to see, in order of preference: Chaos Dwarfs, Southern Realm/ DoW, Araby, Nippon, Hobgoblin Kharnate, Kuresh, Ind.
  • BaronRodney#9956BaronRodney#9956 Registered Users Posts: 1,283
    Great sourcing, as always, Red Dox. Just look at the A team in their prime. The glory days of warhammer fantasy
  • 55JoNNo55JoNNo Registered Users Posts: 2,378
    "At the end of Sigmar's reign, he journeyed to the east, never to be seen again..."

    Oh boy.... Cathayans with floppy hats confirmed.

    Bohemond for game 3 please!

  • Bies#4376Bies#4376 Junior Member SwedenRegistered Users Posts: 5,800
    morathi should be number 6 with her son :(

    "I shivered at the sight of her - her beauty far beyond that of mortal man. But her soul glowed with an inner darkness that chilled my very core."









  • Theo91#7431Theo91#7431 Registered Users Posts: 2,954
    Great post OP.

    It’s interesting how many of these characters have made it in... and how many haven’t 👀
  • CrossilCrossil Registered Users Posts: 14,927
    AND ALL OF THEM WILL BE PLAYABLE ONE DAY!!!
    Furthermore, I consider that Daemon Prince must be removed.
  • yolordmcswag#6132yolordmcswag#6132 Registered Users Posts: 4,259
    SiWI said:

    I found it wierd that rules of entire countires/kingdoms have less "influence" then a slayer dwarf and his buddy doing s... stuff.

    Gotrek has saved the empire and possibly the world on several occasions, but I agree that he should probably not be so high.

    The biggest disgrace of this list is the lack of Caledor Dragontamer however, the guy who held the most essential role in stopping chaos from overrunning the world.
  • Mad_D0c_#1516Mad_D0c_#1516 Registered Users Posts: 1,540
    SiWI said:

    I found it wierd that rules of entire countires/kingdoms have less "influence" then a slayer dwarf and his buddy doing s... stuff.

    Yeah, gotrek before any Slann?
    Shouldnt be Aenarion, Caledor I, Kroak and other dead slann be the first numbers? Without them, most of the others wouldnt exist, when chaos once had won.



  • DraxynnicDraxynnic Registered Users Posts: 11,391
    edited February 2020
    Yeah, there's pretty clear cases of bias here.

    For instance, any Elven character, except maybe Caledor Dragontamer, being regarded as more influential than Aenarion is clearly a bias towards presently playable characters over historical ones. Particularly since each of the Elven characters that did get placed in the top 25 is, when you get down to it, important because of their relation to Aenarion (second wife, son, descendent). Realistically speaking, every single character on this list, except possibly Lord Kroak*, should be behind Aenarion, since none of them would have had the opportunity to be influential if it wasn't for Aenarion and Caledor Dragontamer.

    *While Kroak was the most powerful and important Slann, most of the things he's specifically responsible for are lost to history, so it's hard to say how much he's actually influenced and how much of what he did would likely have been done by someone else if he didn't. I think there's an argument either way, and if push comes to shove I'd probably go with Kroak, but they're hard to measure against one another.
  • CaesarSahlertzCaesarSahlertz Registered Users Posts: 7,073
    _Mad_D0c_ said:

    SiWI said:

    I found it wierd that rules of entire countires/kingdoms have less "influence" then a slayer dwarf and his buddy doing s... stuff.

    Yeah, gotrek before any Slann?
    Shouldnt be Aenarion, Caledor I, Kroak and other dead slann be the first numbers? Without them, most of the others wouldnt exist, when chaos once had won.



    Name me one first generation Slann other than Kroak off the top of your head..
  • PoorManatee6197#6481PoorManatee6197#6481 Registered Users Posts: 2,546
    I think i know who voted for Marneus Calgar.





    (Matt ward)
    #MakeDwarfsGreatAgain Josef Bugman, Thorek Ironbrow, Alrik Ranulfsson, Grimm Burloksson, Kazador Thunderhorn, Byrrnoth Grundadrakk, Malakai Makaisson, Gotrek Gurnisson, Garagrim, Dragon slayer, Deamon slayer, Doomseekers, Brotherhood of Grimnir, Giant slayers, Thunderbarge, Shieldbearer mount, Master brewer, Goblin Hewer, Norse dwarf war mammoth, Tractator engine, Rune golem, Shard dragon, proper Anvil of Doom, Ulther's dragon company, Lond Drong's slayer pirates, Everguard, Karak Varn, Karag Agrilwutraz, Karaz Bryn, Karag Dum, Karak Vlag, Kraka Dorden, Kraka Ornsmotek, Kraka Ravnsvake, Karak Vrag, Karak Azorn, Karak Krakaten.


    All those missing things are grudges in the great book, is in your hand to settle them, CA. Khazukan kazakit-ha!

    IT'S HOBGOBBO TIME!!!!!!!
    #JusticeForKurgan
  • jennifersbody1jennifersbody1 Registered Users Posts: 69
    Bies said:

    morathi should be number 6 with her son :(

    At least. With no Morathi, there’s no Aenerion drawing the Widowmaker, no Malekith turning to the Dark Side, no Sundering, no Nagash, and no Tomb Kings. If we’re looking at influence as an indirect thing as well as direct action, then she definitely deserves a higher spot.
  • kelembribor21kelembribor21 Registered Users Posts: 228
    I always wondered if Blizzard named Grom Hellscream after the Grom the Paunch.
  • CaesarSahlertzCaesarSahlertz Registered Users Posts: 7,073
    edited February 2020

    Bies said:

    morathi should be number 6 with her son :(

    At least. With no Morathi, there’s no Aenerion drawing the Widowmaker, no Malekith turning to the Dark Side, no Sundering, no Nagash, and no Tomb Kings. If we’re looking at influence as an indirect thing as well as direct action, then she definitely deserves a higher spot.
    Aenarion drew Widowmaker before he met Morathi..
  • TimpeyoTimpeyo Registered Users Posts: 2,074
    edited February 2020
    I like how Thanqoul has been disqualified for riging the votes, be nice to hear more about Aenarion and Magnus in game, maybe introduce them as spirits for special spells or abilities or specialised units.

    Nice list tho always love the cartoon art too




  • Bonutz#3949Bonutz#3949 Registered Users Posts: 5,735
    Leonardo of Miragliano. Dogs of War confirmed.
    I have come here to chew bubblegum and kick ass...and I’m all out of bubblegum.
  • Maedrethnir#1968Maedrethnir#1968 Senior Member Registered Users Posts: 17,214
    edited February 2020
    This list is even more biased than I'm towards the Dragonrealm. I find lack of Caledor Dragontamer disturbing.

    I'm sure there are better looking GS LLs than a disgustingly fat goblin.
  • Captain_Rex#1635Captain_Rex#1635 Hamburg, Germany Registered Users Posts: 37,619
    Bonutz619 said:

    Leonardo of Miragliano. Dogs of War confirmed.

    I hope not. We have way better options than him.
    Summon the Elector Counts!
  • dreagon#2903dreagon#2903 Senior Member Registered Users Posts: 2,292
    I feel like Archaon should be a little higher considering he's responsible for destroying the world. And Caledor should also make it in the top 5.
    "The dog is a peasant and the cat is a gentleman." H.P. Lovecraft
  • CrossilCrossil Registered Users Posts: 14,927
    edited February 2020
    Draxynnic said:

    Yeah, there's pretty clear cases of bias here.

    For instance, any Elven character, except maybe Caledor Dragontamer, being regarded as more influential than Aenarion is clearly a bias towards presently playable characters over historical ones. Particularly since each of the Elven characters that did get placed in the top 25 is, when you get down to it, important because of their relation to Aenarion (second wife, son, descendent). Realistically speaking, every single character on this list, except possibly Lord Kroak*, should be behind Aenarion, since none of them would have had the opportunity to be influential if it wasn't for Aenarion and Caledor Dragontamer.

    *While Kroak was the most powerful and important Slann, most of the things he's specifically responsible for are lost to history, so it's hard to say how much he's actually influenced and how much of what he did would likely have been done by someone else if he didn't. I think there's an argument either way, and if push comes to shove I'd probably go with Kroak, but they're hard to measure against one another.

    I think it is more about influence on the fandom or production side of things rather than (just) lore.

    So no.
    Furthermore, I consider that Daemon Prince must be removed.
  • xBlood_Raven#5120xBlood_Raven#5120 Registered Users Posts: 964
    I remember that article in WD. Good nostalgia reading it again.

    Looking at characters that we don't have on the list (barring the impossible): Josef Bugman, Gorbad Ironclaw, Grom the Paunch (with Eltharion the Grim too!), Sigmar (technically Karl Franz Ascendant) and Nagash.

    There is characters from the honourable mention that I would to see as well make it: Tzarina Katarin, Finubar the Seafarer, Prince Imrik, Ariel, Thorek Ironbrow, Abhorash, Neferata, Golgfag Maneater, Drachenfels (The Nameless) and Zacharias the Everliving (W'soran/Melkhior).

    I'm sure most of the above will make it in. Also, where is Harald Hammerstorm!? He is the first character in the setting that we know!

    Morgan Bernhardt too at some point for DOW/SR would be great.
  • LordCommander#3741LordCommander#3741 Registered Users Posts: 3,218
    Chaos Gods be like : 'Are we a joke to you?'
    It's a beta.
  • Maedrethnir#1968Maedrethnir#1968 Senior Member Registered Users Posts: 17,214

    I remember that article in WD. Good nostalgia reading it again.

    Looking at characters that we don't have on the list (barring the impossible): Josef Bugman, Gorbad Ironclaw, Grom the Paunch (with Eltharion the Grim too!), Sigmar (technically Karl Franz Ascendant) and Nagash.

    There is characters from the honourable mention that I would to see as well make it: Tzarina Katarin, Finubar the Seafarer, Prince Imrik, Ariel, Thorek Ironbrow, Abhorash, Neferata, Golgfag Maneater, Drachenfels (The Nameless) and Zacharias the Everliving (W'soran/Melkhior).

    I'm sure most of the above will make it in. Also, where is Harald Hammerstorm!? He is the first character in the setting that we know!

    Morgan Bernhardt too at some point for DOW/SR would be great.

    Can you perhaps link or insert image of honourable mention?
  • xBlood_Raven#5120xBlood_Raven#5120 Registered Users Posts: 964

    I remember that article in WD. Good nostalgia reading it again.

    Looking at characters that we don't have on the list (barring the impossible): Josef Bugman, Gorbad Ironclaw, Grom the Paunch (with Eltharion the Grim too!), Sigmar (technically Karl Franz Ascendant) and Nagash.

    There is characters from the honourable mention that I would to see as well make it: Tzarina Katarin, Finubar the Seafarer, Prince Imrik, Ariel, Thorek Ironbrow, Abhorash, Neferata, Golgfag Maneater, Drachenfels (The Nameless) and Zacharias the Everliving (W'soran/Melkhior).

    I'm sure most of the above will make it in. Also, where is Harald Hammerstorm!? He is the first character in the setting that we know!

    Morgan Bernhardt too at some point for DOW/SR would be great.

    Can you perhaps link or insert image of honourable mention?
    It is on the first image, look to the left and you'll see the honourable mentions.

    Forgot to add Thanquol and Boneripper in my original comment. I honestly think that the Skaven potentially have another three packs or updates. Clan Moulder (Throt the Unclean and hopefully Ghoritch-plus any potential Moulder units in the Hell Pit list), Thanquol (with Verminlords and maybe Stormfiends) and lastly, Clan Pestilens Bubonic Court list.

    I also agree that Caledor Dragontamer should be on the list (add him to Aenarion as Tyrion and Teclis are).
  • Maedrethnir#1968Maedrethnir#1968 Senior Member Registered Users Posts: 17,214

    I remember that article in WD. Good nostalgia reading it again.

    Looking at characters that we don't have on the list (barring the impossible): Josef Bugman, Gorbad Ironclaw, Grom the Paunch (with Eltharion the Grim too!), Sigmar (technically Karl Franz Ascendant) and Nagash.

    There is characters from the honourable mention that I would to see as well make it: Tzarina Katarin, Finubar the Seafarer, Prince Imrik, Ariel, Thorek Ironbrow, Abhorash, Neferata, Golgfag Maneater, Drachenfels (The Nameless) and Zacharias the Everliving (W'soran/Melkhior).

    I'm sure most of the above will make it in. Also, where is Harald Hammerstorm!? He is the first character in the setting that we know!

    Morgan Bernhardt too at some point for DOW/SR would be great.

    Can you perhaps link or insert image of honourable mention?
    It is on the first image, look to the left and you'll see the honourable mentions.

    Forgot to add Thanquol and Boneripper in my original comment. I honestly think that the Skaven potentially have another three packs or updates. Clan Moulder (Throt the Unclean and hopefully Ghoritch-plus any potential Moulder units in the Hell Pit list), Thanquol (with Verminlords and maybe Stormfiends) and lastly, Clan Pestilens Bubonic Court list.

    I also agree that Caledor Dragontamer should be on the list (add him to Aenarion as Tyrion and Teclis are).
    ...I must have read it absent-minded. How I could I miss it.

    Anyway, it's a moment worth cherishing. His Majesty the Crown Prince Imrik of the House Caledoran, the Lord of Dragons is honourably mentioned while Yvressian Princeling is merely a note under Grom. Such pleasure!

    Yes-yes!

  • Captain_Rex#1635Captain_Rex#1635 Hamburg, Germany Registered Users Posts: 37,619

    Chaos Gods be like : 'Are we a joke to you?'

    I mean in TWWH they definitely are... unfortunately.
    So sad that Archaon never makes it beyond Erengrad. 😕
    Summon the Elector Counts!
  • Setrus#7519Setrus#7519 Senior Member SwedenRegistered Users Posts: 18,842
    Seems a bit unfair to put current and historical figures together.

    "If Sigmar hadn't been around Franz would have no empire to rule!"

    And who knows what future person Franz will save? His actions hasn't had the same amount of time to make ripples...
    Don't worry.
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