Timeline for WH3--> My thoughts and predictions

Ferestor#5771

After reading a lot in this forum and watching the videos of ItalienSpartacus and PartyElite i will show my own speculation of the Timeline till WH3 and what i think could be possible for WH3 and WH2.
My predictions are based on my opinion that WH3 will come in 2021. So i think we are looking for 3 LP in 2020.
In my opinion CA will make all WH1 races playable in WH2 Vortex. So here is may timeline:

LP1 March 20 GS (Grom the paunch) vs. HE (Eltharion the grim) (with GS rework) with FLC for VC (Neferata)

LP2 June 20 HE(Prince Imrik) vs Norsca (Valkia the Bloody) (no rework) with FLC for Dwarfs (Joseph Bugman)

LP3 Sep 20 WE(Naestra and Arahan) vs BM (Taurox) (WE and BM rework) with FLC for WE (Drycha) (orignial DLC are included)

Nov 20 Trailer and announcement of WH3
Dez 20 release of Pre-Order Race DoW

March 21 release of WH3

The LP1 is a given. I think all of you think that this pair is coming. The FLC is my guess. She is a popular Character and is absolutely missing from the game.

The LP2 i think could be interesting to make Norsca playable either in Skeggi or in the north of Ulthan on Vortex. In ME Norsca could be either Skeggi or north of Naggarond. For the dwarfs i think Josef is a good choice. He can go to Sorteks Mountains as a expedition in Vortex and in ME he could start at his brewery to fight the VC.

The LP3 is a wish from myself. I really like the WE and think they need ab big rework with more than one new Lord. The princesses could start in Orions Camp in Vortex and BM could start everywhere ^^. For Drycha she could start in the north-east of Naggarond. In ME the princesses could start in the north of the empire (dont know the name of the province right know.) The BM could start again everywhere, maybe in a new part of the Darklands. Drycha could also start in a new part of the Darklands.

For the Pre-order Race i think ItalienSpartacus makes really good points in his video. They are a faction in the diplomatic screen and have special buildings in there towns. So i don't go deeper here.

For WH3 i think we will get these 4 races at the beginning.

1. Kislev
2. Chaos Dwarfs
3. Ogre Kingdoms
4. Daemons of Chaos

Each faction will get 2 Lords at the beginning.

For DLC Factions i think are these 2 most likely.

1. Hobgobla Khan
2. Cathay


Hobgobla has the background from Games Workshop to make a decent faction i think. (please correct me if i'm wrong) and Cathay i think is a good choice because of the giant china market. Also with the new partnership from CA with the chinese partner (don't remember the name) this could work and for the units we have a few sources from GW and we have seen with the VCoast that CA can make new units.

The next DLC Factions could come if the game is a huge success and GW will give CA more liberties:

1. Araby (Fanfavorit could be possible, if the map was extended)
2. Nippon (through Clan Eshin mentioned, need to be fleshed out)
3. Ind (same as Nippon only mentioned by Lokir)
4. BM-Variants (East and south Variants)

These are rather unlikely in my opinion but with enough sales i think everything is possible.

What i think we will get are more LP and i mean a lot more. (WH3 only, WH3 vs WH2, WH3 vs. WH1)

For the map i hope we will get either a huge world map or a theater map like in Empire Total war (New World, Old World, Darklands)

So that are my thoughts. I'm interested what are you guys thinking.

Maedrethnir#1968

LP2 and LP3 sound delicious, especially the knife-eared parts.

Steph#6413

We are two weeks from march, and you expect LP1 in March?
IMO, it will be April, or more likely May.

RikRiorik#9890

If TWW3 arrives in 2021 three LPs would sound about right. Which is one of the reasons I really hope TWW3 is further along than we think. I have a hard time seeing what Legendary Lords I want to see forced into the Vortex map when many would probably be more suited to whatever map TWW3 has as a standalone.

Imrik, Eltharion and Grom the Paunch. Sure thing. Makes sense. I'd rather see the likes of Thrott and Thanquol wait for TWW3 though and the same goes for almost every single TWW1 race lord.

Ferestor#5771

steph74 said:

We are two weeks from march, and you expect LP1 in March?
IMO, it will be April, or more likely May.

I think late march so the 26. Announcememt could be at 10-12 of march.

Loreguy#1056

Summon the elector counts! All of them.

Draxynnic#3149

steph74 said:

We are two weeks from march, and you expect LP1 in March?
IMO, it will be April, or more likely May.

It's possible? LPs are usually announced a fortnight out, so there's still time for a March release. I doubt it, though - King's Shilling isn't out of beta yet, and they'd probably roll it into the DLC update if if was coming that soon.

RikRiorik#9890

Draxynnic said:

steph74 said:

We are two weeks from march, and you expect LP1 in March?
IMO, it will be April, or more likely May.

It's possible? LPs are usually announced a fortnight out, so there's still time for a March release. I doubt it, though - King's Shilling isn't out of beta yet, and they'd probably roll it into the DLC update if if was coming that soon.

That makes a lot of sense. I'll go back in with the bears to resume my hibernation.

Steph#6413

Draxynnic said:

It's possible? LPs are usually announced a fortnight out, so there's still time for a March release. I doubt it, though - King's Shilling isn't out of beta yet, and they'd probably roll it into the DLC update if if was coming that soon.

Possible yes. Likely no.

SerPus#7395

Ferestor said:

I'm interested what are you guys thinking.

That's a lot of wishful thinking based on nothing.

MrDragon#2461

Am I the only one who finds the idea of Valkia the Bloody as a Norsca LL completely ridiculous?
She's the most Chaotic of all the arguably mortal lords. She's so chaotic she wouldn't look out of place as a Daemon LL.
Sticking her in Norsca? Norsca is barely Chaos, let alone hard-Khorne.

And BM vs WE in a single pack instaid of split up across two packs vs other factions seems beyond unlikely, if you ask me.
Pair BM with another elector count for the Empire and put WE vs Zacharias? Vorag/Ushoran? There's options. The sisters on an expedition to some forgotten world root where VC are causing trouble.

Mad_D0c_#1516

Yeah very optimistic, we have no flc array ipdate now, what will sureley come around 1 month before next LP.

Valkia for Norsca really? She is WoC khorne.
There are much more characters left which fit far better. Bearszruck, Sayl as Kurgan addition to norsca. Even gutrot spume would better fit norsca even he is god aligned to nurgle.

SerPus#7395

MrDragon said:

she wouldn't look out of place as a Daemon LL.

She would because her whole lore is that she fights alongside mortal warriors to pick the most worthy of them.
But yeah, should be in WoC faction, not Norsca.

Cody_811

I think Eltharion vs Grom, Thorek or Malakai vs Throt, maybe one more LP involving Vampire Counts vs game 2 faction, and then game 3 in March 2021

Neodeinos#5871

That seems possible, except for the DLC factions of WH3 that's just extremely unlikely.

Ferestor#5771

I'm Not very knowledgeble in the lore. I choose valkira because she is mentioned as a important character for norsca. Sorry if it was wrong.

Kn_Gars#2718

CA is not goingnto give away a big name legendary llord or in this case lady for free. Neferata is way too usefull as the centerpiece of her own paid dlc while her starting location is not yet on the map. .For FLC CA usually go with lesd well known lords or lords that provide new gameplay without a lot of investment of resources.

55JoNNo#4925

May : HE v GS LP , FLC HE

October : WH3 Trailer, Kislev / Dogs of War Pre-order for Mortal Empires . 2 LL like Norsca. Mortal Empires / game 1 bundled for free.

April 2021: WH3 release.

Demons ( one unified faction, LL for Khorne & Tzeentch )

Ogres

Chaos Dwarves

Dogs of War / Empire 2.0 / Kislev

Race DLC:

Nagash, Neferara, Ushoran , Abhorash
Dogs of War / Empire 2.0 / Kislev

SerPus#7395

Kapten_Gars said:

CA is not goingnto give away a big name legendary llord or in this case lady for free.

Vlad?

Neodeinos#5871

SerPus said:

Kapten_Gars said:

CA is not goingnto give away a big name legendary llord or in this case lady for free.

Vlad?

Alith Anar ?

Captain_Rex#1635

I’m not a fan of a Norsca Lp for WH2. Skeggi would be a horrible start way to close to Mazda, Cylostra and Markus.

Would rather get Sayl as a third Norsca LL representing the Kurgan in WH3.

I could see a VC vs Skaven LP. Zacharias vs Throt would be perfect!

MrDragon#2461

SerPus said:

MrDragon said:

she wouldn't look out of place as a Daemon LL.

She would because her whole lore is that she fights alongside mortal warriors to pick the most worthy of them.
But yeah, should be in WoC faction, not Norsca.

And if you quoted and read the full quote you would see I **** her as a mortal lord first and foremost.
At this point I assume you're just trolling me and wilfully misinterpreting me.

But she kind of looks like a female winged bloodletter with vaguely human features and a slaaneshi daemon face shield. She literally looks like a Daemon.
The idea of her in Norsca seems entirely off base.

Ferestor#5771

neodeinos said:

SerPus said:

Kapten_Gars said:

CA is not goingnto give away a big name legendary llord or in this case lady for free.

Vlad?

Alith Anar ?

Gor Rok?

RikRiorik#9890

ArneSo said:

I’m not a fan of a Norsca Lp for WH2. Skeggi would be a horrible start way to close to Mazda, Cylostra and Markus.

Would rather get Sayl as a third Norsca LL representing the Kurgan in WH3.

I could see a VC vs Skaven LP. Zacharias vs Throt would be perfect!

I’d think a Norscan Lord (or a Chaos one) could be one of few TWW1 race lord fits for TWW2. Place them either north of Naggaroth or north of Ulthuan. Both should be okay as far as starting positions go. Skeggi would, for me, be the least fun starting position for a new Norscan LL.

Labria#2848

i think we will get this:

April or May 2020: Grom vs Eltharion Lord pack
+ Greenskins Rework
+ New starting position for Azhag on the north
+ High Elves FLC legendary Lord(Imrik, Korhil or Aislinn)

September or October 2020: Malakai Makaisson vs Throt the Unclean Lord pack
+ Wood Elves Rework with 1-2 new legendary lords for Bowmen of Oreon and/or Laurelorn Forest, FLC for DLC like Morghur for Beastmen.
+ Dark Elves FLC Legendary Lord(Rakarth, Shadowblade or Tullaris)
+ Maybe new starting position for Grombrindal on the north

End of 2020 or start of 2021: Preorder bonus race, probably Southern Realms, playable in game 2.
+ Beastmen Rework with new legendary lord, another FLC for DLC like Morghur
+ Vampire Count FLC, playable in Vortex and Mortal Empires. New Legendary Lord will be part of Book of Nagash story in Vortex.

All core races from game 2 will have 6 Legendary lords before game 3. Also, we will have playable all core races from game 1 in Vortex.

Warriors of Chaos and Norsca will get own rework in game 3.

yolordmcswag#6132

MrDragon said:

Am I the only one who finds the idea of Valkia the Bloody as a Norsca LL completely ridiculous?
She's the most Chaotic of all the arguably mortal lords. She's so chaotic she wouldn't look out of place as a Daemon LL.
Sticking her in Norsca? Norsca is barely Chaos, let alone hard-Khorne.
.

Ehh, look at Glottkin or Tamurkhan's true form and try to say that again. She is heavily mutated, but her full-chaos armour puts her quite firmly with the chaos warriors IMO.

Ferestor said:

I'm Not very knowledgeble in the lore. I choose valkira because she is mentioned as a important character for norsca. Sorry if it was wrong.

Well, she is from Norsca, but she would not fit into the Norsca faction in total war. The Norsca faction is basicly chaos tribes and monsters without the chaos warriors, while Valkia is very much a chaos warrior and as such belongs to the warriors of chaos race instead.

SerPus#7395

ArneSo said:

I could see a VC vs Skaven LP.

That sounds good, but there are hardly any units for VC to add. I would like to get a Corpse Giant tho.

MrDragon#2461

yolordmcswag said:

MrDragon said:

Am I the only one who finds the idea of Valkia the Bloody as a Norsca LL completely ridiculous?
She's the most Chaotic of all the arguably mortal lords. She's so chaotic she wouldn't look out of place as a Daemon LL.
Sticking her in Norsca? Norsca is barely Chaos, let alone hard-Khorne.
.

Ehh, look at Glottkin or Tamurkhan's true form and try to say that again. She is heavily mutated, but her full-chaos armour puts her quite firmly with the chaos warriors IMO.

Ferestor said:

I'm Not very knowledgeble in the lore. I choose valkira because she is mentioned as a important character for norsca. Sorry if it was wrong.

Well, she is from Norsca, but she would not fit into the Norsca faction in total war. The Norsca faction is basicly chaos tribes and monsters without the chaos warriors, while Valkia is very much a chaos warrior and as such belongs to the warriors of chaos race instead.

The point of my post seems to be flying over several heads.
I gues I shouldn't have put "arguably" in there. Cus that's a reference to Valkia's nasty habit of not staying dead.
But I did explicitly list her as a mortal lord.
I'm just saying that I'd sooner put her in with Daemons, because she literally looks like one, over Norscan tribesmen.

And yes I did think Tamurkhan, based on images I've seen looks more mortal than a woman with horns, elongated skull and wings.
I was not aware he was literally a giant parasite. He was introduced long after my break from TT Warhammer. (Having left during 7th edition) So thank you for the education but my point still stands:

So yes, Warriors of Chaos. But if you forced me to pick between Norsca and Daemons, I'd put her in Daemons, that's how... not-Norsca she is.
She's basically a Daemon herself and is in official sources described as a Daemon princess. (Which is fairly commonly seen when leading an army of mortal chaos warriors.)

Goatforce#6625

Oh god, Valkia should not be a Norscan LL, she is the consort of Khorne and should either be the Khorne Rep in WoC or a LL in a (DLC) Mono Khorne race.

But atm I think it is more likely we get something like:

April: HE vs GS: Eltharion and Grom, FLC perhaps Gorefang Rotgut

August: Sk vs VC/Dwarfs, FLC VC if Dwarfs are DLC or vice-versa

September: WH3 announce

February: Pre-Order, DoW/SR

March: WH3 release, DoC, OKs, CDs, Kislev

April: "Immortal Empires"

Then for CPs, I would say we get Monos in LP style CPs - so Nurgle vs Tzeentch and Khorne vs Slaanesh. Perhaps Khurgans too but they are a bit more out there, I don't think that the map will go far enough East for Cathay or even Hobgoblin Khanate.

Then lots of LPs, Kislev vs DoC and OK vs CD to begin I think as the "traditional" LPs. Then the years of X-LPs begin!

Captain_Rex#1635

SerPus said:

ArneSo said:

I could see a VC vs Skaven LP.

That sounds good, but there are hardly any units for VC to add. I would like to get a Corpse Giant tho.

They could get some stuff from the RPG.
- Corpse Giant
- Wicker Man
- Patchworkmen (Elite Zombies)

That Frankenstein theme would be great for a Necrarch LP with Zacharias and would fit perfectly with Throt.

Goatforce#6625

ArneSo said:

SerPus said:

ArneSo said:

I could see a VC vs Skaven LP.

That sounds good, but there are hardly any units for VC to add. I would like to get a Corpse Giant tho.

They could get some stuff from the RPG.
- Corpse Giant
- Wicker Man
- Patchworkmen (Elite Zombies)

That Frankenstein theme would be great for a Necrarch LP with Zacharias and would fit perfectly with Throt.

Mix that with the full on missing armybook stuff like Abyssal Terror, Spirit Hosts and Coven Throne and I think we have a easy LP there, could even make 2 out of it really.