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That sounds good, but there are hardly any units for VC to add. I would like to get a Corpse Giant tho.
They could get some stuff from the RPG. - Corpse Giant - Wicker Man - Patchworkmen (Elite Zombies)
That Frankenstein theme would be great for a Necrarch LP with Zacharias and would fit perfectly with Throt.
Mix that with the full on missing armybook stuff like Abyssal Terror, Spirit Hosts and Coven Throne and I think we have a easy LP there, could even make 2 out of it really.
I think Corpse Giant and the Wickermen would be to similar anyways, so Abyssal Terrors would be a good alternative. - Abyssal Terror - Patchworkmen - Corpse giant - Necrarch Lord - Maybe a melee Zombie Hero like the Gunnery Wight?
Spirit Hosts make only sense if they are not a Swarm unit since CA said they are not going to include swarm units. They could be a low tier Ghost unit with high numbers.
Coven Throne should come with Neferata together with Morghasts and Lahmian Guard.
But yeah 2 more crossovers for the VC make sense.
I also want Vorag, but he’s not a DLC character in my opinion so I would prefer Zacharias here.
That sounds good, but there are hardly any units for VC to add. I would like to get a Corpse Giant tho.
They could get some stuff from the RPG. - Corpse Giant - Wicker Man - Patchworkmen (Elite Zombies)
That Frankenstein theme would be great for a Necrarch LP with Zacharias and would fit perfectly with Throt.
Mix that with the full on missing armybook stuff like Abyssal Terror, Spirit Hosts and Coven Throne and I think we have a easy LP there, could even make 2 out of it really.
I think Corpse Giant and the Wickermen would be to similar anyways, so Abyssal Terrors would be a good alternative. - Abyssal Terror - Patchworkmen - Corpse giant - Necrarch Lord - Maybe a melee Zombie Hero like the Gunnery Wight?
Spirit Hosts make only sense if they are not a Swarm unit since CA said they are not going to include swarm units. They could be a low tier Ghost unit with high numbers.
Coven Throne should come with Neferata together with Morghasts and Lahmian Guard.
But yeah 2 more crossovers for the VC make sense.
I also want Vorag, but he’s not a DLC character in my opinion so I would prefer Zacharias here.
I don't think adding generic lords for the VCounts is any good now that we have the Bloodlines ones. Bloodlines are really easy to get, I don't even use generic lords anymore when I play VCounts.
That sounds good, but there are hardly any units for VC to add. I would like to get a Corpse Giant tho.
They could get some stuff from the RPG. - Corpse Giant - Wicker Man - Patchworkmen (Elite Zombies)
That Frankenstein theme would be great for a Necrarch LP with Zacharias and would fit perfectly with Throt.
Mix that with the full on missing armybook stuff like Abyssal Terror, Spirit Hosts and Coven Throne and I think we have a easy LP there, could even make 2 out of it really.
I think Corpse Giant and the Wickermen would be to similar anyways, so Abyssal Terrors would be a good alternative. - Abyssal Terror - Patchworkmen - Corpse giant - Necrarch Lord - Maybe a melee Zombie Hero like the Gunnery Wight?
Spirit Hosts make only sense if they are not a Swarm unit since CA said they are not going to include swarm units. They could be a low tier Ghost unit with high numbers.
Coven Throne should come with Neferata together with Morghasts and Lahmian Guard.
But yeah 2 more crossovers for the VC make sense.
I also want Vorag, but he’s not a DLC character in my opinion so I would prefer Zacharias here.
I don't think adding generic lords for the VCounts is any good now that we have the Bloodlines ones. Bloodlines are really easy to get, I don't even use generic lords anymore when I play VCounts.
Well the model for the Necrarch is really disappointing right now so people were asking for a proper model all the time.
Right now a Necrarch is just a Von Carstein with a Necromancer cape.
Zacharias should focus on Necrarch Lords without the need to use bloodkisses for them. That’s why adding a generic Necrarch Lord makes sense. Keep in mind that you actually only get 3 Lords of each bloodline. The new model would of course be the same like the Bloodline version.
That sounds good, but there are hardly any units for VC to add. I would like to get a Corpse Giant tho.
They could get some stuff from the RPG. - Corpse Giant - Wicker Man - Patchworkmen (Elite Zombies)
That Frankenstein theme would be great for a Necrarch LP with Zacharias and would fit perfectly with Throt.
Mix that with the full on missing armybook stuff like Abyssal Terror, Spirit Hosts and Coven Throne and I think we have a easy LP there, could even make 2 out of it really.
I think Corpse Giant and the Wickermen would be to similar anyways, so Abyssal Terrors would be a good alternative. - Abyssal Terror - Patchworkmen - Corpse giant - Necrarch Lord - Maybe a melee Zombie Hero like the Gunnery Wight?
Spirit Hosts make only sense if they are not a Swarm unit since CA said they are not going to include swarm units. They could be a low tier Ghost unit with high numbers.
Coven Throne should come with Neferata together with Morghasts and Lahmian Guard.
But yeah 2 more crossovers for the VC make sense.
I also want Vorag, but he’s not a DLC character in my opinion so I would prefer Zacharias here.
I don't think adding generic lords for the VCounts is any good now that we have the Bloodlines ones. Bloodlines are really easy to get, I don't even use generic lords anymore when I play VCounts.
Well the model for the Necrarch is really disappointing right now so people were asking for a proper model all the time.
Right now a Necrarch is just a Von Carstein with a Necromancer cape.
They could just replace the model of the Necrarch from the bloodline.
That sounds good, but there are hardly any units for VC to add. I would like to get a Corpse Giant tho.
They could get some stuff from the RPG. - Corpse Giant - Wicker Man - Patchworkmen (Elite Zombies)
That Frankenstein theme would be great for a Necrarch LP with Zacharias and would fit perfectly with Throt.
Mix that with the full on missing armybook stuff like Abyssal Terror, Spirit Hosts and Coven Throne and I think we have a easy LP there, could even make 2 out of it really.
I think Corpse Giant and the Wickermen would be to similar anyways, so Abyssal Terrors would be a good alternative. - Abyssal Terror - Patchworkmen - Corpse giant - Necrarch Lord - Maybe a melee Zombie Hero like the Gunnery Wight?
Spirit Hosts make only sense if they are not a Swarm unit since CA said they are not going to include swarm units. They could be a low tier Ghost unit with high numbers.
Coven Throne should come with Neferata together with Morghasts and Lahmian Guard.
But yeah 2 more crossovers for the VC make sense.
I also want Vorag, but he’s not a DLC character in my opinion so I would prefer Zacharias here.
I don't think adding generic lords for the VCounts is any good now that we have the Bloodlines ones. Bloodlines are really easy to get, I don't even use generic lords anymore when I play VCounts.
Well the model for the Necrarch is really disappointing right now so people were asking for a proper model all the time.
Right now a Necrarch is just a Von Carstein with a Necromancer cape.
They could just replace the model of the Necrarch from the bloodline.
Sorry edited my post but was to slow.
So here again: Zacharias should focus on Necrarch Lords without the need to use bloodkisses for them. That’s why adding a generic Necrarch Lord makes sense. Keep in mind that you actually only get 3 Lords of each bloodline. The new model would of course be the same like the Bloodline version.
That sounds good, but there are hardly any units for VC to add. I would like to get a Corpse Giant tho.
They could get some stuff from the RPG. - Corpse Giant - Wicker Man - Patchworkmen (Elite Zombies)
That Frankenstein theme would be great for a Necrarch LP with Zacharias and would fit perfectly with Throt.
Mix that with the full on missing armybook stuff like Abyssal Terror, Spirit Hosts and Coven Throne and I think we have a easy LP there, could even make 2 out of it really.
I think Corpse Giant and the Wickermen would be to similar anyways, so Abyssal Terrors would be a good alternative. - Abyssal Terror - Patchworkmen - Corpse giant - Necrarch Lord - Maybe a melee Zombie Hero like the Gunnery Wight?
Spirit Hosts make only sense if they are not a Swarm unit since CA said they are not going to include swarm units. They could be a low tier Ghost unit with high numbers.
Coven Throne should come with Neferata together with Morghasts and Lahmian Guard.
But yeah 2 more crossovers for the VC make sense.
I also want Vorag, but he’s not a DLC character in my opinion so I would prefer Zacharias here.
I have always thought Spirit Hosts would be interesting functioning essentially like Zombies but etherial, with AP (but terrible damage numbers), and low mass. They would be great for holding up infantry for ages and would likely even almost trade-up in a drawn out fight against elite infantry due to AP but magic weapons would scythe through them and they would have abysmal mass, meaning cav would be able to easily run through them into back lines.
But yeah:
Zacharias, Abyssal Terror, Spirit Host, Corpse Giant/Wicker Man, Patchworkmen, Necrarch Lord and finally perhaps the Hero version of Cairn Wraith as more of an AI Damage Dealer to differentiate it from Banshee Assassin or Wight King tank (though they could give it AL instead as that is something lacking from Heros). This would be perfect imo, but they could maybe do it with 1 character (Necrarch Lord) to focus on the units as I think Vamps have enough heros tbh.
That sounds good, but there are hardly any units for VC to add. I would like to get a Corpse Giant tho.
They could get some stuff from the RPG. - Corpse Giant - Wicker Man - Patchworkmen (Elite Zombies)
That Frankenstein theme would be great for a Necrarch LP with Zacharias and would fit perfectly with Throt.
Mix that with the full on missing armybook stuff like Abyssal Terror, Spirit Hosts and Coven Throne and I think we have a easy LP there, could even make 2 out of it really.
I think Corpse Giant and the Wickermen would be to similar anyways, so Abyssal Terrors would be a good alternative. - Abyssal Terror - Patchworkmen - Corpse giant - Necrarch Lord - Maybe a melee Zombie Hero like the Gunnery Wight?
Spirit Hosts make only sense if they are not a Swarm unit since CA said they are not going to include swarm units. They could be a low tier Ghost unit with high numbers.
Coven Throne should come with Neferata together with Morghasts and Lahmian Guard.
But yeah 2 more crossovers for the VC make sense.
I also want Vorag, but he’s not a DLC character in my opinion so I would prefer Zacharias here.
I doubt Vampire Count need more than one lord pack or even random stuff from wiki like Patchworkmen. Necrarch Lord is already in the game.
If we get one more Vampire Count Lord pack, I think CA will focus to stuff from Kemmler's Army of the Cairns list from White Dwarf for this Lord pack: https://imgur.com/a/Oc6i7OD
That sounds good, but there are hardly any units for VC to add. I would like to get a Corpse Giant tho.
They could get some stuff from the RPG. - Corpse Giant - Wicker Man - Patchworkmen (Elite Zombies)
That Frankenstein theme would be great for a Necrarch LP with Zacharias and would fit perfectly with Throt.
Mix that with the full on missing armybook stuff like Abyssal Terror, Spirit Hosts and Coven Throne and I think we have a easy LP there, could even make 2 out of it really.
I think Corpse Giant and the Wickermen would be to similar anyways, so Abyssal Terrors would be a good alternative. - Abyssal Terror - Patchworkmen - Corpse giant - Necrarch Lord - Maybe a melee Zombie Hero like the Gunnery Wight?
Spirit Hosts make only sense if they are not a Swarm unit since CA said they are not going to include swarm units. They could be a low tier Ghost unit with high numbers.
Coven Throne should come with Neferata together with Morghasts and Lahmian Guard.
But yeah 2 more crossovers for the VC make sense.
I also want Vorag, but he’s not a DLC character in my opinion so I would prefer Zacharias here.
I have always thought Spirit Hosts would be interesting functioning essentially like Zombies but etherial, with AP (but terrible damage numbers), and low mass. They would be great for holding up infantry for ages and would likely even almost trade-up in a drawn out fight against elite infantry due to AP but magic weapons would scythe through them and they would have abysmal mass, meaning cav would be able to easily run through them into back lines.
But yeah:
Zacharias, Abyssal Terror, Spirit Host, Corpse Giant/Wicker Man, Patchworkmen, Necrarch Lord and finally perhaps the Hero version of Cairn Wraith as more of an AI Damage Dealer to differentiate it from Banshee Assassin or Wight King tank (though they could give it AL instead as that is something lacking from Heros). This would be perfect imo, but they could maybe do it with 1 character (Necrarch Lord) to focus on the units as I think Vamps have enough heros tbh.
There are definitely enough options for such a LP and I think that we don’t necessarily need a hero here.
That sounds good, but there are hardly any units for VC to add. I would like to get a Corpse Giant tho.
They could get some stuff from the RPG. - Corpse Giant - Wicker Man - Patchworkmen (Elite Zombies)
That Frankenstein theme would be great for a Necrarch LP with Zacharias and would fit perfectly with Throt.
Mix that with the full on missing armybook stuff like Abyssal Terror, Spirit Hosts and Coven Throne and I think we have a easy LP there, could even make 2 out of it really.
I think Corpse Giant and the Wickermen would be to similar anyways, so Abyssal Terrors would be a good alternative. - Abyssal Terror - Patchworkmen - Corpse giant - Necrarch Lord - Maybe a melee Zombie Hero like the Gunnery Wight?
Spirit Hosts make only sense if they are not a Swarm unit since CA said they are not going to include swarm units. They could be a low tier Ghost unit with high numbers.
Coven Throne should come with Neferata together with Morghasts and Lahmian Guard.
But yeah 2 more crossovers for the VC make sense.
I also want Vorag, but he’s not a DLC character in my opinion so I would prefer Zacharias here.
I doubt Vampire Count need more than one lord pack or even random stuff from wiki like Patchworkmen. Necrarch Lord is already in the game.
If we get one more Vampire Count Lord pack, I think CA will focus to stuff from Kemmler's Army of the Cairns list from White Dwarf for this Lord pack: https://imgur.com/a/Oc6i7OD
That lists seems nice and has some really cool unit in! They could definitely use some of them as well.
But regarding the Necrarch Lord, like I said, the current version isn’t good and doesn’t look like a Necrarch so adding a new model would make sense. Zacharias could get the bonus that he can recruit them in masses, while the Other VC factions need to use bloodkisses. I‘m sure CA will find a way here to implement that right. I don’t think anyone here would be upset about a new Unique Necrarch Model.
About the number of DLCs: I think that all core races will end up with 3-4 LPs split over the 3 Games. So VC would get a LP now and another one with Neferata in WH3. Then they just need Vorag and the Red Duke as FLC to be complete.
I also think the Dwarfs should get one LP in WH2 and another one in WH3. The Empire should even get 2 more LPs in WH3 with the Nuln and Middenland theme.
There is still so much content left for every core race that CA could feed us with crossovers for the next 5 years.
But regarding the Necrarch Lord, like I said, the current version isn’t good and doesn’t look like a Necrarch so adding a new model would make sense. Zacharias could get the bonus that he can recruit them in masses, while the Other VC factions need to use bloodkisses. I‘m sure CA will find a way here to implement that right. I don’t think anyone here would be upset about a new Unique Necrarch Model.
I don't like idea to pay for better model. Also, standard Necrarch Lord will be useless. Do you even use Strigoi Ghoul King? We have new Ghoul lord 2.0 in Bloodline mechanic.
Zacharias should get just a discount for Necrarch lords in Bloodline mechanic. Just 2 blood kisses for first Bloodline Lord etc. All others Legendary Lords from one bloodline should have a discount for own Bloodline.
But regarding the Necrarch Lord, like I said, the current version isn’t good and doesn’t look like a Necrarch so adding a new model would make sense. Zacharias could get the bonus that he can recruit them in masses, while the Other VC factions need to use bloodkisses. I‘m sure CA will find a way here to implement that right. I don’t think anyone here would be upset about a new Unique Necrarch Model.
I don't like idea to pay for better model. Also, standard Necrarch Lord will be useless. Do you even use Strigoi Ghoul King? We have new Ghoul lord 2.0 in Bloodline mechanic.
Zacharias should get just a discount for Necrarch lords in Bloodline mechanic. Just 2 blood kisses for first Bloodline Lord etc. All others Legendary Lords from one bloodline should have same thing own Bloodline.
Well, this DLC could give the opportunity to differentiate normal and Bloodline Lords, which would be in and of itself worthwhile as an update.
The DLC Necrarch lord could take notes from the Von Carstien Bloodline Lord, and have a personalised spell, maybe summoning Patchworkmen or corpse giant.
But regarding the Necrarch Lord, like I said, the current version isn’t good and doesn’t look like a Necrarch so adding a new model would make sense. Zacharias could get the bonus that he can recruit them in masses, while the Other VC factions need to use bloodkisses. I‘m sure CA will find a way here to implement that right. I don’t think anyone here would be upset about a new Unique Necrarch Model.
I don't like idea to pay for better model. Also, standard Necrarch Lord will be useless. Do you even use Strigoi Ghoul King? We have new Ghoul lord 2.0 in Bloodline mechanic.
Zacharias should get just a discount for Necrarch lords in Bloodline mechanic. Just 2 blood kisses for first Bloodline Lord etc. All others Legendary Lords from one bloodline should have same thing own Bloodline.
Well, this DLC could give the opportunity to differentiate normal and Bloodline Lords, which would be in and of itself worthwhile as an update.
The DLC Necrarch lord could take notes from the Von Carstien Bloodline Lord, and have a personalised spell, maybe summoning Patchworkmen or corpse giant.
Maybe the Bloodlines lords should only be unlocked when you complete a bloodline. Currently they are way too easy to get, it makes the generic lords almost useless.
But regarding the Necrarch Lord, like I said, the current version isn’t good and doesn’t look like a Necrarch so adding a new model would make sense. Zacharias could get the bonus that he can recruit them in masses, while the Other VC factions need to use bloodkisses. I‘m sure CA will find a way here to implement that right. I don’t think anyone here would be upset about a new Unique Necrarch Model.
I don't like idea to pay for better model. Also, standard Necrarch Lord will be useless. Do you even use Strigoi Ghoul King? We have new Ghoul lord 2.0 in Bloodline mechanic.
Zacharias should get just a discount for Necrarch lords in Bloodline mechanic. Just 2 blood kisses for first Bloodline Lord etc. All others Legendary Lords from one bloodline should have same thing own Bloodline.
Well, this DLC could give the opportunity to differentiate normal and Bloodline Lords, which would be in and of itself worthwhile as an update.
The DLC Necrarch lord could take notes from the Von Carstien Bloodline Lord, and have a personalised spell, maybe summoning Patchworkmen or corpse giant.
Maybe the Bloodlines lords should only be unlocked when you complete a bloodline. Currently they are way too easy to get, it makes the generic lords almost useless.
Yeah, maybe making it so you could max out all bloodlines, but only get 1 lord each when complete, and maybe have to pick and choose the buffs, maybe 5-6 max?
But regarding the Necrarch Lord, like I said, the current version isn’t good and doesn’t look like a Necrarch so adding a new model would make sense. Zacharias could get the bonus that he can recruit them in masses, while the Other VC factions need to use bloodkisses. I‘m sure CA will find a way here to implement that right. I don’t think anyone here would be upset about a new Unique Necrarch Model.
I don't like idea to pay for better model. Also, standard Necrarch Lord will be useless. Do you even use Strigoi Ghoul King? We have new Ghoul lord 2.0 in Bloodline mechanic.
Zacharias should get just a discount for Necrarch lords in Bloodline mechanic. Just 2 blood kisses for first Bloodline Lord etc. All others Legendary Lords from one bloodline should have same thing own Bloodline.
Well, this DLC could give the opportunity to differentiate normal and Bloodline Lords, which would be in and of itself worthwhile as an update.
The DLC Necrarch lord could take notes from the Von Carstien Bloodline Lord, and have a personalised spell, maybe summoning Patchworkmen or corpse giant.
Maybe the Bloodlines lords should only be unlocked when you complete a bloodline. Currently they are way too easy to get, it makes the generic lords almost useless.
Yeah, maybe making it so you could max out all bloodlines, but only get 1 lord each when complete, and maybe have to pick and choose the buffs, maybe 5-6 max?
Another option could be that Zacharias would start with the Necrarch Blood line being maxed out from the start. So he doesn’t have to use blood kisses for more Necrarch Lords. Than give him +4 Necrarch Lords as a faction trait and he would have enough Lords.
If TWW3 arrives in 2021 three LPs would sound about right. Which is one of the reasons I really hope TWW3 is further along than we think. I have a hard time seeing what Legendary Lords I want to see forced into the Vortex map when many would probably be more suited to whatever map TWW3 has as a standalone.
Imrik, Eltharion and Grom the Paunch. Sure thing. Makes sense. I'd rather see the likes of Thrott and Thanquol wait for TWW3 though and the same goes for almost every single TWW1 race lord.
I think Skaven, Vamps, Lizards and Dark Elves are done until WH3 personally. In fact we might not see anything else for the Lizards and Dark Elves for the rest of this trilogy. Skaven will get two more LL's and I can see the Vamps getting one (maybe two) more.
After reading a lot in this forum and watching the videos of ItalienSpartacus and PartyElite i will show my own speculation of the Timeline till WH3 and what i think could be possible for WH3 and WH2. My predictions are based on my opinion that WH3 will come in 2021. So i think we are looking for 3 LP in 2020. In my opinion CA will make all WH1 races playable in WH2 Vortex. So here is may timeline:
LP1 March 20 GS (Grom the paunch) vs. HE (Eltharion the grim) (with GS rework) with FLC for VC (Neferata)
LP2 June 20 HE(Prince Imrik) vs Norsca (Valkia the Bloody) (no rework) with FLC for Dwarfs (Joseph Bugman)
LP3 Sep 20 WE(Naestra and Arahan) vs BM (Taurox) (WE and BM rework) with FLC for WE (Drycha) (orignial DLC are included)
Nov 20 Trailer and announcement of WH3 Dez 20 release of Pre-Order Race DoW
March 21 release of WH3
The LP1 is a given. I think all of you think that this pair is coming. The FLC is my guess. She is a popular Character and is absolutely missing from the game.
The LP2 i think could be interesting to make Norsca playable either in Skeggi or in the north of Ulthan on Vortex. In ME Norsca could be either Skeggi or north of Naggarond. For the dwarfs i think Josef is a good choice. He can go to Sorteks Mountains as a expedition in Vortex and in ME he could start at his brewery to fight the VC.
The LP3 is a wish from myself. I really like the WE and think they need ab big rework with more than one new Lord. The princesses could start in Orions Camp in Vortex and BM could start everywhere ^^. For Drycha she could start in the north-east of Naggarond. In ME the princesses could start in the north of the empire (dont know the name of the province right know.) The BM could start again everywhere, maybe in a new part of the Darklands. Drycha could also start in a new part of the Darklands.
For the Pre-order Race i think ItalienSpartacus makes really good points in his video. They are a faction in the diplomatic screen and have special buildings in there towns. So i don't go deeper here.
For WH3 i think we will get these 4 races at the beginning.
Hobgobla has the background from Games Workshop to make a decent faction i think. (please correct me if i'm wrong) and Cathay i think is a good choice because of the giant china market. Also with the new partnership from CA with the chinese partner (don't remember the name) this could work and for the units we have a few sources from GW and we have seen with the VCoast that CA can make new units.
The next DLC Factions could come if the game is a huge success and GW will give CA more liberties:
1. Araby (Fanfavorit could be possible, if the map was extended) 2. Nippon (through Clan Eshin mentioned, need to be fleshed out) 3. Ind (same as Nippon only mentioned by Lokir) 4. BM-Variants (East and south Variants)
These are rather unlikely in my opinion but with enough sales i think everything is possible.
What i think we will get are more LP and i mean a lot more. (WH3 only, WH3 vs WH2, WH3 vs. WH1)
For the map i hope we will get either a huge world map or a theater map like in Empire Total war (New World, Old World, Darklands)
So that are my thoughts. I'm interested what are you guys thinking.
I'd be down with this. In fact, i'd be downright giddy if your LP's for WH2 came true. That is mainly due to the fact that Valkia the Bloody is the only "Daemon" I care about and I hope she makes it in.
I love your WE vs BM idea because that will be a rework for both sides. Two birds with one stone kind of deal.
Your WH3 timeline is realistic too. I have always believed that 2021 was the most realistic year for its release. Since I believe that, yeah they'll have some work to do with WH2 still because that would be too long of a radio silence between releases.
The only disagreement I have is that I personally think the preorder bonus will be a Warriors of Chaos rework. I feel like CA will want every single faction up until now to be up to stuff when WH3 drops because thats a problem I think they don't want to revisit much (if at all) during WH3s development cycle. So get everyone up to snuff now before WH3 drops. Not later. It just makes too much sense from a logistics standpoint.
We are two weeks from march, and you expect LP1 in March? IMO, it will be April, or more likely May.
Yeah but March will be what? Month 3? 4? Since the last LP went live. Its very plausible since LP's tend to take less time then a Faction drop.
There was no rework for this DLC, and the ones before had a longer gap.
It depends on how deep the rework is and how soon they started on the rework before last LP dropped. I assume they get right on the next products initial design soon after a bow is put on the finished product that is about to go live. Plus i'm sure they'll use a lot of copypasta for the Greenskins. Especially if we see Black Orc and Savage Orc variants. Honestly, outside of a new mechanic or two, the rest would be easy peasy for them presumably. In other words, the rework itself could very well have started at the end of last November.
I'd rather see them take two more months (at least) and do a really fine HE update + GS deep rework, with a lot of new Orks, White Lion Chariots, etc. than getting a rush DLC done in 2-3 months with less and lesser content.
Beside, I need more time to finish the next update of my mod before the next DLC.
DLC1: (GS) Grom vs (HE) Eltharion, GS rework DLC2: (S) Throt vs (D) Thorek/Garagrim Ironfist FLCA: (HE) Aislinn/Imrik FLCB: (DE) Tullaris/Rakarth
Pre-order: WoC 2.0, WoC and BM rework. Marks of Chaos. Valkia, Festus, Vilitch (Sigvald playable if first DLC purchased)
WH3 cores: - Demons os Chaos: Skarbrand & Skulltaker, Ku'Gath & Epidemius, N'kari & The Masque, Kairos & The Blue Scribes - Empire 2.0 & Kislev: Kurt Helborg & Emil Valgeir, Boris & Katarin - Southern Realms: Borgio & Lucrezzia, and 2 more LL from the rest
That sounds good, but there are hardly any units for VC to add. I would like to get a Corpse Giant tho.
They could get some stuff from the RPG. - Corpse Giant - Wicker Man - Patchworkmen (Elite Zombies)
That Frankenstein theme would be great for a Necrarch LP with Zacharias and would fit perfectly with Throt.
That's a decent idea. Patchwork Men sound perfect as some 'Frankenstein' monstrous infantry (something tough for the Vampire Counts instead of mainly fodder). W'soran/Melkhior/Zacharias can have some other laboratory type monster.
Just to ask, what is a Corpse Giant? I recognise a Wicker Man and Patchwork Men from the rpg but not the Corpse Giant. I'll assume it is an undead giant but is there a precise source for that?
Brood of the Naga Queens: Warhammer Fan Concept: Hinterlands of Khuresh
My main issue with all these timelines is that it ends up with more paid content for some races over others. Now WH1 was definitely unbalanced in terms of the free content, and not all paid LPs were created equal, but each of the 4 starting WH1 races got 1 LP each.
In WH2 once eltharion is out, each of the 4 main races will have had 2 LPs. Therefore, I think we'd only get Imrik or Throt as paid DLC lords if you gave LM and DEs a third LP as well.
There is still room to get them as FLC of course, but FLC doesn't have to be balanced in the same way. Right now LM have 2 FLC, while everyone else has just 1, so they could add imrik with the grim and the grom. It would be one thing for CA to give LM an extra FLC lord and ignore everyone else, but I think if we get Imrik as well, then it suggests that CA is planning to balance the WH2 free content as well.
But to get 2 more FLC lords after G&G we'd have to add 2 more paid LPs, and as I've said I doubt any WH2 factions will get any more of those, so those LPs will have to be WH1 vs WH1 packs. Honestly... While that would be a great opportunity to add the WH1 factions into the vortex, we'd only have dawi vs VC left of the main factions, so the last LP would end up being DLC for DLC which still seems super unlikely.
Personally what I want to see happen is just two more paid LP left. G&G in early April, then dawivsVC in July/August. And then just drips of free content leading up to WH3. They can add the last WH2 race lord, and potentially free lords for WE and Norsca to balance the 3 lords of the BM, and adding all 3 dlc races to vortex. Maybe then they could even a 4th start position for empire and dwarfs to balance VCs and Greenskins, though probably not as they would both already have vortex lords by this point.
Anything beyond that I'd much rather they saved for WH3.
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0 · Disagree Agree- Abyssal Terror
- Patchworkmen
- Corpse giant
- Necrarch Lord
- Maybe a melee Zombie Hero like the Gunnery Wight?
Spirit Hosts make only sense if they are not a Swarm unit since CA said they are not going to include swarm units. They could be a low tier Ghost unit with high numbers.
Coven Throne should come with Neferata together with Morghasts and Lahmian Guard.
But yeah 2 more crossovers for the VC make sense.
I also want Vorag, but he’s not a DLC character in my opinion so I would prefer Zacharias here.
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0 · Disagree AgreeRight now a Necrarch is just a Von Carstein with a Necromancer cape.
Zacharias should focus on Necrarch Lords without the need to use bloodkisses for them. That’s why adding a generic Necrarch Lord makes sense. Keep in mind that you actually only get 3 Lords of each bloodline.
The new model would of course be the same like the Bloodline version.
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Zacharias should focus on Necrarch Lords without the need to use bloodkisses for them. That’s why adding a generic Necrarch Lord makes sense. Keep in mind that you actually only get 3 Lords of each bloodline.
The new model would of course be the same like the Bloodline version.
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0 · Disagree AgreeBut yeah:
Zacharias, Abyssal Terror, Spirit Host, Corpse Giant/Wicker Man, Patchworkmen, Necrarch Lord and finally perhaps the Hero version of Cairn Wraith as more of an AI Damage Dealer to differentiate it from Banshee Assassin or Wight King tank (though they could give it AL instead as that is something lacking from Heros). This would be perfect imo, but they could maybe do it with 1 character (Necrarch Lord) to focus on the units as I think Vamps have enough heros tbh.
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0 · Disagree AgreeIf we get one more Vampire Count Lord pack, I think CA will focus to stuff from Kemmler's Army of the Cairns list from White Dwarf for this Lord pack:
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0 · Disagree AgreeBut regarding the Necrarch Lord, like I said, the current version isn’t good and doesn’t look like a Necrarch so adding a new model would make sense.
Zacharias could get the bonus that he can recruit them in masses, while the Other VC factions need to use bloodkisses.
I‘m sure CA will find a way here to implement that right. I don’t think anyone here would be upset about a new Unique Necrarch Model.
About the number of DLCs:
I think that all core races will end up with 3-4 LPs split over the 3 Games.
So VC would get a LP now and another one with Neferata in WH3. Then they just need Vorag and the Red Duke as FLC to be complete.
I also think the Dwarfs should get one LP in WH2 and another one in WH3. The Empire should even get 2 more LPs in WH3 with the Nuln and Middenland theme.
There is still so much content left for every core race that CA could feed us with crossovers for the next 5 years.
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0 · Disagree AgreeZacharias should get just a discount for Necrarch lords in Bloodline mechanic. Just 2 blood kisses for first Bloodline Lord etc.
All others Legendary Lords from one bloodline should have a discount for own Bloodline.
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0 · Disagree AgreeThe DLC Necrarch lord could take notes from the Von Carstien Bloodline Lord, and have a personalised spell, maybe summoning Patchworkmen or corpse giant.
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0 · Disagree AgreeI love your WE vs BM idea because that will be a rework for both sides. Two birds with one stone kind of deal.
Your WH3 timeline is realistic too. I have always believed that 2021 was the most realistic year for its release. Since I believe that, yeah they'll have some work to do with WH2 still because that would be too long of a radio silence between releases.
The only disagreement I have is that I personally think the preorder bonus will be a Warriors of Chaos rework. I feel like CA will want every single faction up until now to be up to stuff when WH3 drops because thats a problem I think they don't want to revisit much (if at all) during WH3s development cycle. So get everyone up to snuff now before WH3 drops. Not later. It just makes too much sense from a logistics standpoint.
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0 · Disagree AgreeBeside, I need more time to finish the next update of my mod before the next DLC.
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0 · Disagree AgreeDLC2: (S) Throt vs (D) Thorek/Garagrim Ironfist
FLCA: (HE) Aislinn/Imrik
FLCB: (DE) Tullaris/Rakarth
Pre-order: WoC 2.0, WoC and BM rework. Marks of Chaos.
Valkia, Festus, Vilitch (Sigvald playable if first DLC purchased)
WH3 cores:
- Demons os Chaos: Skarbrand & Skulltaker, Ku'Gath & Epidemius, N'kari & The Masque, Kairos & The Blue Scribes
- Empire 2.0 & Kislev: Kurt Helborg & Emil Valgeir, Boris & Katarin
- Southern Realms: Borgio & Lucrezzia, and 2 more LL from the rest
DLC: OK & CD
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0 · Disagree AgreeJust to ask, what is a Corpse Giant? I recognise a Wicker Man and Patchwork Men from the rpg but not the Corpse Giant. I'll assume it is an undead giant but is there a precise source for that?
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1 · Disagree AgreeIn WH2 once eltharion is out, each of the 4 main races will have had 2 LPs. Therefore, I think we'd only get Imrik or Throt as paid DLC lords if you gave LM and DEs a third LP as well.
There is still room to get them as FLC of course, but FLC doesn't have to be balanced in the same way. Right now LM have 2 FLC, while everyone else has just 1, so they could add imrik with the grim and the grom. It would be one thing for CA to give LM an extra FLC lord and ignore everyone else, but I think if we get Imrik as well, then it suggests that CA is planning to balance the WH2 free content as well.
But to get 2 more FLC lords after G&G we'd have to add 2 more paid LPs, and as I've said I doubt any WH2 factions will get any more of those, so those LPs will have to be WH1 vs WH1 packs. Honestly... While that would be a great opportunity to add the WH1 factions into the vortex, we'd only have dawi vs VC left of the main factions, so the last LP would end up being DLC for DLC which still seems super unlikely.
Personally what I want to see happen is just two more paid LP left. G&G in early April, then dawivsVC in July/August. And then just drips of free content leading up to WH3. They can add the last WH2 race lord, and potentially free lords for WE and Norsca to balance the 3 lords of the BM, and adding all 3 dlc races to vortex. Maybe then they could even a 4th start position for empire and dwarfs to balance VCs and Greenskins, though probably not as they would both already have vortex lords by this point.
Anything beyond that I'd much rather they saved for WH3.
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