possible future races?

Ferestor#5771

With the end of WH2 and WH3 on the horizon (i think 2021) i thought it would be a good idea to collect all possible races and then rate them how possible they are.

If we look at the current races we can make 3 main categories.

1. Lore
2. Region (if its already in the game or if it could be possible)
3. Army-Book or TT-Models (i will only write Army-Book later)

So for example the Empire

1. Lore--> yes so much lore
2. Region -->most of the old world and in the new world too
3. Army-Book --> yes many times

This works for all the current races except for the Vampire Coast

1. Lore --> Yes
2. Region --> was in game 2 release but i think it was a region from the VC
3. Army-Book--> not really, i think only a white Dwarf was there a themed army

So with that, lets get started.

Daemons of Chaos

1. Lore -->Yes more than enough
2. Region --> Yes in game 3 so we all think and in ME in the far north.
3. Army-Book--> Yes

In the end i think this race has a near 100% chance to appear in WH3. With enough LL for a core race and future DLC's.

Chaos Dwarfs

1. Lore--> Yes
2. Region--> Yes if game 3 goes in the Darklands
3. Army-Book--> Yes

The Chaos Dwarfs are also one of my choices for a core race in WH3.

Ogre Kingdoms

1. Lore --> Yes
2. Region--Yes
3. Army-Book--> Yes

Also a core race for WH3 in my opinion.

Kislev

1. Lore --> Yes
2. Region --> Yes, since WH1, also they have a own diplomatic selection
3. Army-Book --> Yes

Kislev is my personell fourth choice for a WH3 core race. Even if i don't know if they have enough LL for DLC's.

These were the races which i am almost certain will come with WH3. Now were coming in the maybe part. The % are my own opinion.

Southern Realms (Tilea or Dogs of War)

1. Lore --> Yes
2. Region --> Yes, since WH1, also they have a own diplomatic selection
3. Army-Book --> Yes

My personell choice for the pre-order race. Only downside is that there have in my opinion no real connection in the Vortex campaign. (As a pre-order race in WH2)

Possibility: 80 %

Cathay

1. Lore --> Yes, but not many named heroes
2. Region --> Yes if the map in WH3 goes to the far east
3. Army-Book--> Not really but some Models were made in the past

Cathay in my opinion could be a good choice for a DLC Race. They are opening the chinese market for Warhammer (if the race is not pictured racist) Also it would be good to have a "good race" as an DLC. (TK were neutral, Vcoast/BM/Norsca are "evil" only Bretonnia and WE were good, maybe WE were also neutral)

Possibility: 60%

Nippon

1. Lore --> Some not so much as Cathay
2. Region --> Yes if the map in WH3 goes to the far east
3. Army-Book --> not really but like Cathay some models were made in the past

Nippon is i think only possible if Cathay made it in the game. Because they have lesser lore than Cathay the possibility is less then Cathay.

Possibility: 40%

Kingdoms of Ind

1. Lore --> very little
2. Region--> Yes if WH3 has the whole map
3. Army-Book --> None

Ind is for me the least race to make it from the eastern order races. They have little lore and no real Army models.

Possibility: 20%

Araby

1. Lore --> Yes
2. Region -->No only if the current map were expanded.
3. Army-Book --> Yes? I dont know if they had a book but they had a themed army.

Araby has more Lore than Nippon and Ind together. The problem here are that the race is viewed as racist and CA has give us a no to Araby(in WH2). Also the region were Araby lies is today filled with Bretonnia, TK and know Skaven. Also if it would come i think than in a typ like Norsca with 2 LL.

Possibility: 40%

Amazonen

1. lore --> very little
2. Region--> No only if Lustria would expand
3. Army-Book --> Yes but very few units and lords

the amazons have not enough source material for a full race. Maybe together with an other minor race could they come (like Araby) but they have named LL and named units (serpent priestess, jaguar warriors)

Possibility: 30%

Hobgoblins

1. Lore --> Yes
2. Region--> Yes, would fit in the WH3 map if they go east.
3. Army-Book--> Yes (but very simple)

The Hobgoblins could come as DLC race. They fight against the Chaos Dwarfs and Cathay. The problem here is, that they are a subfaction of the greenskins. But like the Vampire coast i think they could make a own race, because they have a unique
appearance. Don't know about the LL so that could be a problem.

Possibility: 70%

Kurgan

1. Lore--> Yes
2. Region--> Yes if WH3 goes east
3. Army-Book--> No, but are like Norsca

The Kurgans are very much like Norsca only more themed like the mongols. They could be like norsca or they could rename Norsca in "Men of the north" with 2 Norsca LL and 2 Kurgan LL. Some unique units for them (more horse riders) and than they could be a own race. Problem here is, that they are very similar to norsca. some people could not like a copy&paste style faction.

Possibility: 50%

So these are the races i think could be possible. If you guys have additional races please comment. If you want you could wirte you own Possibility rating. Thanks for reading and please be nice! ^^

Nopeacejustwar#3336

Fishmen or riot!

Draculasaurus

Kislev did not have an army book.

Ferestor#5771

Draculasaurus said:

Kislev did not have an army book.

Was there not something in 6 Edition?

Bies#4376

Draculasaurus said:

Kislev did not have an army book.

Warhammer Fantasy RPG 2nd ED -- Realm of the Ice Queen (a lot of lore)

Warhammer Armies: Kislev (6th Edition)

Red_Dox#2328

Ferestor said:

Draculasaurus said:

Kislev did not have an army book.

Was there not something in 6 Edition?

That was more an armylist, and pretty bare bones since it only did consider a auxiliary force to support "allies" like the Empire during Storm of Chaos.

They had however a actual armylist back in 4th edition with Citadel Journal (can't remember the numbers right now. Was pretty early on).
And they also had a armylist for Warmaster.
http://www.darkagepress.com/files/Warmaster_Armies.pdf

Hobgoblins

1. Lore --> Yes
2. Region--> Yes, would fit in the WH3 map if they go east.
3. Army-Book--> Yes (but very simple)

No armybook. No armylist. Nothing standalone.
They always were just part of teh Chaos Dwarf lists.

Amazonen

1. lore --> very little
2. Region--> No only if Lustria would expand
3. Army-Book --> Yes but very few units and lords

Again: Never had an armybook, nor even a armylist.
They only were part of the Dogs of War, one caster hero and a regiment.

Araby

1. Lore --> Yes
2. Region -->No only if the current map were expanded.
3. Army-Book --> Yes? I dont know if they had a book but they had a themed army.

No armybook. No armylist.
They only had a armylist+miniatures for Warmaster.
http://www.darkagepress.com/files/Warmaster_Armies.pdf

Kurgan

1. Lore--> Yes
2. Region--> Yes if WH3 goes east
3. Army-Book--> No, but are like Norsca

Unit wise, yes, kinda like Norsca. But while Norse are rather used to real settlements, Kurgan and Hung are more drawn to a nomadic lifestyle.
https://i.imgur.com/P0EYQOn.png

------Red Dox

Ferestor#5771

Thx for the Info. The Name Army-book was maybe wrong. Maybe TT-models were more accurate.

rrinscheid#7766

HoneyBun said:

I just want a Hung warrior or two

Don’t we all

misunderstoodvampire#7653

The future races are simple.
Guarantees-Daemons of Chaos, Ogre Kingdoms, Chaos Dwarfs

Likely-Kislev, Khorne, Nurgle, Tzeentch, Slaanesh

Possible-Southern Realms(already diplomacy and technology options for them.)
Cathay(would be dumb for CA to not try to appeal to Asian market after 3k but I don’t think Cathay were a part of the original plans.)
Very unlikely-Araby (for whatever stupid reason it appears CA and games workshop don’t want to open that box. Very disappointing.
Ind(just don’t think CA will create an entire Ind race but it is not impossible)

Not happening-Albion, Amazon(Amazon’s could end up as units for southern realms but won’t have their own race)

imnrk#3524

I wouldn't mind seeing "pre-flc" Bretonnia style factions for races like Kurgan or Hobgoblins that are thematically unique as AI, but wouldn't feel any different to play as. In the case of Kurgan for example, just take away the mammoths from Norsca, maybe add a skirmishing unit for the AI to use or the player to use in custom battles, and reskin the marauders. It requires minimal effort on CA's part but would do a great deal to bring the world to life.

Captain_Rex#1635

Confirmed: OK, CD, DoC

Very likely: Kislev, DoW

Possible: Hobgoblins, Nagash, Warriors of Nurgle, Warriors of Khorne, Warriors of Tzeentch, Warriors of Slaanesh

Unlikely: Cathay, Kurgan

Very unlikely: Nippon, Amazons, Albion, Ind

Dead: Araby, mixed Monoblob races

Bonutz#3949

ArneSo said:

Confirmed: OK, CD, DoC

Very likely: Kislev, DoW

Possible: Hobgoblins, Nagash, Warriors of Nurgle, Warriors of Khorne, Warriors of Tzeentch, Warriors of Slaanesh

Unlikely: Cathay, Kurgan

Very unlikely: Nippon, Amazons, Albion, Ind

Dead: Araby, mixed Monoblob races

I agree with this except I think Nagash should be put in the confirmed category. He’s been hinted at quite a bit.

I also would put Cathay in the possible list. They have just enough lore and tidbits of information in the fluff to create a full standing army list and to build a faction around. They have also gotten little hints throughout the game just like Nagash.

Ferestor#5771

Why should nagash a own race? Another undead faction? I really dont need that...

Bonutz#3949

Ferestor said:

Why should nagash a own race? Another undead faction? I really dont need that...

Nagash is one of the most important characters in the setting. He has to be in.

Idk what CA is going to do with Nagash - whether he comes with his own race, as a LL for a currently existing race or as an end game threat is not yet known. But I know 100% that he will be in the trilogy in some capacity.

saweendra#3399

+1

Captain_Rex#1635

Bonutz619 said:

ArneSo said:

Confirmed: OK, CD, DoC

Very likely: Kislev, DoW

Possible: Hobgoblins, Nagash, Warriors of Nurgle, Warriors of Khorne, Warriors of Tzeentch, Warriors of Slaanesh

Unlikely: Cathay, Kurgan

Very unlikely: Nippon, Amazons, Albion, Ind

Dead: Araby, mixed Monoblob races

I agree with this except I think Nagash should be put in the confirmed category. He’s been hinted at quite a bit.

I also would put Cathay in the possible list. They have just enough lore and tidbits of information in the fluff to create a full standing army list and to build a faction around. They have also gotten little hints throughout the game just like Nagash.

Yes Nagash will be in, but we don’t know how exactly. He might only be another VC LL or maybe even just a story plot like the Vortex.

But maybe we get him with his own unique and playable race.

There can’t be enough undead in this game!

Ferestor#5771

Ingr8 said:

You forgot Lumbria.

There is an army list on this forum somewhere.

Can only find lumbria in Age of Sigmar. So i think this race is not for WHTW.

Ares354#1090

Ferestor said:

Ingr8 said:

You forgot Lumbria.

There is an army list on this forum somewhere.

Can only find lumbria in Age of Sigmar. So i think this race is not for WHTW.

Its a joke

CaesarSahlertz

I am so extremely tired of people equating Dogs of War with Southeren Realms....

Erathil#3988

I really dislike the idea of Nagash getting the full race treatment. He deserves to be something special, an end-game threat with access to all of the undead units in existence, and the almost instant alliance of most undead factions. To implement him properly, you'd need to make him the sort of end-game crisis Archaeon should be.

That said... I sort of think we may see Hobgoblin and Gnoblar factions. Not necessarily their own playable races, but the Chaos Dwarfs and Ogre Kingdoms suffer from a lack of named characters, so I think its possible that we could see Lords introduced who focus on the hobgoblin and gnoblar units in their roster, maybe with some extras from other races evening things out.

So... there could be a Hobgoblin Khanate faction that's based on the hobgoblin units from the Chaos Dwarfs, but can't confederate with Chaos Dwarfs, can't recruit and Chaos Dwarfs, but maybe has access to scavanged variants of their artillery, and some greenskins pressed into service.

Gnoblars would be a bit more straight-forward. They had a White Dwarf list once, with a few units that could help round them out (I recall rhinox riders, in particular). Again, they'd be making a 'race' out of a subfaction of an existing race, rounded out with a few extras.

It could work.

Ascythian#9871

Warhammer Armies - Kislev [Citadel Journal]- 4th Edition - WFB

For those who want to see this.

Draxynnic#3149

Bonutz619 said:

ArneSo said:

Confirmed: OK, CD, DoC

Very likely: Kislev, DoW

Possible: Hobgoblins, Nagash, Warriors of Nurgle, Warriors of Khorne, Warriors of Tzeentch, Warriors of Slaanesh

Unlikely: Cathay, Kurgan

Very unlikely: Nippon, Amazons, Albion, Ind

Dead: Araby, mixed Monoblob races

I agree with this except I think Nagash should be put in the confirmed category. He’s been hinted at quite a bit.

I also would put Cathay in the possible list. They have just enough lore and tidbits of information in the fluff to create a full standing army list and to build a faction around. They have also gotten little hints throughout the game just like Nagash.

Nagash having his own race is far from confirmed. In fact, I'd put him as less likely than the monogods.

If you consider the list to be descending order of likelihood rather than caring too much about the labels, I think putting Cathay below the monogods is appropriate. However, I'd also put hobgoblins and Nagash in the same category. Information on hobgoblins outside of the units in the Chaos Dwarf list is thin on the ground, so making a full hobgoblin list would be challenging, and for Nagash... there isn't really a lot of material left to make a fourth undead faction without it simply being a combination of those that already exist, and that combination can probably be done by adding in a few units Arkhan-style. Nagash as a LL may come, but whether he comes with his own army list is a whole different question.

Bonutz#3949

Draxynnic said:

Bonutz619 said:

ArneSo said:

Confirmed: OK, CD, DoC

Very likely: Kislev, DoW

Possible: Hobgoblins, Nagash, Warriors of Nurgle, Warriors of Khorne, Warriors of Tzeentch, Warriors of Slaanesh

Unlikely: Cathay, Kurgan

Very unlikely: Nippon, Amazons, Albion, Ind

Dead: Araby, mixed Monoblob races

I agree with this except I think Nagash should be put in the confirmed category. He’s been hinted at quite a bit.

I also would put Cathay in the possible list. They have just enough lore and tidbits of information in the fluff to create a full standing army list and to build a faction around. They have also gotten little hints throughout the game just like Nagash.

Nagash having his own race is far from confirmed. In fact, I'd put him as less likely than the monogods.

If you consider the list to be descending order of likelihood rather than caring too much about the labels, I think putting Cathay below the monogods is appropriate. However, I'd also put hobgoblins and Nagash in the same category. Information on hobgoblins outside of the units in the Chaos Dwarf list is thin on the ground, so making a full hobgoblin list would be challenging, and for Nagash... there isn't really a lot of material left to make a fourth undead faction without it simply being a combination of those that already exist, and that combination can probably be done by adding in a few units Arkhan-style. Nagash as a LL may come, but whether he comes with his own army list is a whole different question.

If you read my post further down, I don’t confirm Nagash as a race...but he 100% will be in the game at some point. Just a matter of what form he will take.

Captain_Rex#1635

CaesarSahlertz said:

I am so extremely tired of people equating Dogs of War with Southeren Realms....

Both are the same.

Southern Realms are City states using mercenaries and DoW are mercenaries fighting for City states in the southern realms. Combine these two things and you get a great race.

The faction will be a SR City state while the unit roster is represented by DoW units.

But DoW alone as a bunch of wandering mercenaries is not enough for a race and also doesn’t make munch sense.

SR alone also don’t have enough units to become a race without using DoW material.

SR + DoW + Amazons + Araby + Halflings = a perfect race

DeathsDayOff

I just want to shout out that if you ever see someone actually argue against any faction because they are racist, laugh at them for being a moron, because there is no arguments that they are racist besides existing and not being a culture with white skin

CaesarSahlertz

ArneSo said:

CaesarSahlertz said:

I am so extremely tired of people equating Dogs of War with Southeren Realms....

Both are the same.

Southern Realms are City states using mercenaries and DoW are mercenaries fighting for City states in the southern realms. Combine these two things and you get a great race.

The faction will be a SR City state while the unit roster is represented by DoW units.

But DoW alone as a bunch of wandering mercenaries is not enough for a race and also doesn’t make munch sense.

SR alone also don’t have enough units to become a race without using DoW material.

SR + DoW + Amazons + Araby + Halflings = a perfect race

Incorrect in the extreme....

Dogs of War are mercenaries. Period. End of story. They do not exclusively fight for, or even originate from, Tilean city states. Dogs of War are groups of mercenaries from literally all of the Warhammer races, fighting for whoever gives them the coin they require.

"Southeren Realms" are a disparate group of nations in the southeren part of the Old World, that have literally no cultural commonality.

Tilea is a connection of city states, with varying and tumultuous relations between each other and the world. They often use mercenaries to fight their battles, since actually supplying the manpower for their continued conflicts on their own, would decimate the city states' populations.

Estalia is a collection of destitute kingdoms in the Southwestern part of the Old World. And while they are also lacking a centralized government as Tilea, they have a very distinct and seperate culture from the Tileans. In fact, the Estalians get so offended by being confused for Tileans, that they have been known to slay any person who makes that mistake. No mention in ANY of the Estalian lore, says that they have an extensive use of mercenaries.

The Border Princes are a hotpodge of different and distinct cultures and "states". Often a Prince is a political or religious refugee from The Empire, Kislev or Bretonnia. Militarily speaking, a Prince in the Border Princes would most likely not be able to afford a large Mercenary army, and would probably band together with neighboring Princes, if the need to amass forces were ever to rise.

Dogs of War, as a faction, is one of the few factions where having them in a "horde style gameplay" would actually make sense. Since to play as the Dogs of War, would NOT be to play as Tilea. PLaying as the Dogs of War you would be controlling a mercenary army, not a city state.

Captain_Rex#1635

CaesarSahlertz said:

ArneSo said:

CaesarSahlertz said:

I am so extremely tired of people equating Dogs of War with Southeren Realms....

Both are the same.

Southern Realms are City states using mercenaries and DoW are mercenaries fighting for City states in the southern realms. Combine these two things and you get a great race.

The faction will be a SR City state while the unit roster is represented by DoW units.

But DoW alone as a bunch of wandering mercenaries is not enough for a race and also doesn’t make munch sense.

SR alone also don’t have enough units to become a race without using DoW material.

SR + DoW + Amazons + Araby + Halflings = a perfect race

Incorrect in the extreme....

Dogs of War are mercenaries. Period. End of story. They do not exclusively fight for, or even originate from, Tilean city states. Dogs of War are groups of mercenaries from literally all of the Warhammer races, fighting for whoever gives them the coin they require.

"Southeren Realms" are a disparate group of nations in the southeren part of the Old World, that have literally no cultural commonality.

Tilea is a connection of city states, with varying and tumultuous relations between each other and the world. They often use mercenaries to fight their battles, since actually supplying the manpower for their continued conflicts on their own, would decimate the city states' populations.

Estalia is a collection of destitute kingdoms in the Southwestern part of the Old World. And while they are also lacking a centralized government as Tilea, they have a very distinct and seperate culture from the Tileans. In fact, the Estalians get so offended by being confused for Tileans, that they have been known to slay any person who makes that mistake. No mention in ANY of the Estalian lore, says that they have an extensive use of mercenaries.

The Border Princes are a hotpodge of different and distinct cultures and "states". Often a Prince is a political or religious refugee from The Empire, Kislev or Bretonnia. Militarily speaking, a Prince in the Border Princes would most likely not be able to afford a large Mercenary army, and would probably band together with neighboring Princes, if the need to amass forces were ever to rise.

Dogs of War, as a faction, is one of the few factions where having them in a "horde style gameplay" would actually make sense. Since to play as the Dogs of War, would NOT be to play as Tilea. PLaying as the Dogs of War you would be controlling a mercenary army, not a city state.

Where are most Mercenaries from?
Oh yeah from Tilea.

Where are all those DoW LLs from again? Oh yeah from Tilea.

And what are they doing there?
Oh yeah they rule city states.

Where is Tilea again?
Oh yeah in the Southern Realms.

Case closed.

Playing Borgio the Besieger means ruling Miragliano, period.

CaesarSahlertz

ArneSo said:

Where are most Mercenaries from?
Oh yeah from Tilea.

Incorrect.

Most Mercenaries are BASED in Tilea. That does not mean they originate from there. It simply means that most of the mercenary work is available in Tilea.

ArneSo said:

Where are all those DoW LLs from again? Oh yeah from Tilea.

Incorrect.

Many of the DoW characters come from different places than Tilea. If you are asking where the Tilean LLs (as in the rulers of Tilean cities), then obviously they come from Tilea. But then they aren't Dogs of War... See how taht works?

ArneSo said:

And what are they doing there?
Oh yeah they rule city states.

Incorrect.

Dogs of War do not rule city states. Local lords in Tilea rule the city states. These lords make use of mercenary armies.

ArneSo said:

Where is Tilea again?
Oh yeah in the Southern Realms.

Correct. So? Geographical location have very little bearing on the subject matter at hand. Especially considering the fact that TIlea has a very distinct and different culture from Estalia and the Border Princes' (non-existant) cultures.

ArneSo said:

Case closed.

Yes, but not in your favour, since you continue to be incredibly wrong.

ArneSo said:

Playing Borgio the Besieger means ruling Miragliano, period.

Indeed. However... Borgio is not a Dog of War... Borgio is a Tilean lord who made use of the mercenary armies that make their services available for hire.

How is taht such a hard concept to fathom?

SerPus#7395

ArneSo said:

Where are most Mercenaries from?

Ares354#1090

Ferestor said:

Ingr8 said:

You forgot Lumbria.

There is an army list on this forum somewhere.

Can only find lumbria in Age of Sigmar. So i think this race is not for WHTW.

Its a joke

CaesarSahlertz said:

ArneSo said:

CaesarSahlertz said:

I am so extremely tired of people equating Dogs of War with Southeren Realms....

Both are the same.

Southern Realms are City states using mercenaries and DoW are mercenaries fighting for City states in the southern realms. Combine these two things and you get a great race.

The faction will be a SR City state while the unit roster is represented by DoW units.

But DoW alone as a bunch of wandering mercenaries is not enough for a race and also doesn’t make munch sense.

SR alone also don’t have enough units to become a race without using DoW material.

SR + DoW + Amazons + Araby + Halflings = a perfect race

Incorrect in the extreme....

Dogs of War are mercenaries. Period. End of story. They do not exclusively fight for, or even originate from, Tilean city states. Dogs of War are groups of mercenaries from literally all of the Warhammer races, fighting for whoever gives them the coin they require.

"Southeren Realms" are a disparate group of nations in the southeren part of the Old World, that have literally no cultural commonality.

Tilea is a connection of city states, with varying and tumultuous relations between each other and the world. They often use mercenaries to fight their battles, since actually supplying the manpower for their continued conflicts on their own, would decimate the city states' populations.

Estalia is a collection of destitute kingdoms in the Southwestern part of the Old World. And while they are also lacking a centralized government as Tilea, they have a very distinct and seperate culture from the Tileans. In fact, the Estalians get so offended by being confused for Tileans, that they have been known to slay any person who makes that mistake. No mention in ANY of the Estalian lore, says that they have an extensive use of mercenaries.

The Border Princes are a hotpodge of different and distinct cultures and "states". Often a Prince is a political or religious refugee from The Empire, Kislev or Bretonnia. Militarily speaking, a Prince in the Border Princes would most likely not be able to afford a large Mercenary army, and would probably band together with neighboring Princes, if the need to amass forces were ever to rise.

Dogs of War, as a faction, is one of the few factions where having them in a "horde style gameplay" would actually make sense. Since to play as the Dogs of War, would NOT be to play as Tilea. PLaying as the Dogs of War you would be controlling a mercenary army, not a city state.

You just confirmed that 85% of roster of DoW comes from Tilea, Estalia, Borden Princess....

Draxynnic#3149

Let's be realistic here - if the Southern Realms got their own list, what's it going to be based on? Bingo - the DoW list.

I think it is fair to say that there's a distinction between whether a particular character is a Tilean prince or a mercenary general (although some characters were both during their lives - Borgio the Besieger, for instance, was a mercenary general until he became powerful enough to take over a city) - but this is on the level of the distinction between Nakai and Gor-rok, not different races. Mercenary generals using horde mechanics and Tilean princes using conventional settled faction mechanics can and probably should use the same lists as one another.