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I like how he’s only 2000 on a horse fully kitted while chad boi Tyrion is like almost 2,600 full kit.
Yeah my assessment is Imrik on a horse is going to be the better choice. Still fast, still crazy good items, but lets you also go wide if you want.
Actually Dragon is quite viable too. HE prince on a Star dragon is ~3100 when kitted out with good items, and he is pretty good (although rare) pick. And getting much better version for just 200 gold more is quite a great deal.
Prince good pick? He is never picked lol.
A good way to start imo would be removing the debuff item from MP, then see how he performs.
I wouldn't say never, I'd say rarely picked. He's rarely picked because Larry absolutely dominates, not because he's bad pick. Imrik, on the other hand, looks like he will absolutely replace Larry.
This is inaccurate. Any other lord on the roster is picked over Prince, including princess and Tyrion. Hell, even Alith Anar is picked over Prince.
3369 fully kitted out on a star dragon. Considering all of his items are great, that would be his usual cost.
For example Zerkovich's video on Youtube mentions 3144 cost for Imrik on dragon with his basic abilities, but that's without his legendary Star Lance item. I saw the details on a Spanish stream:
Imrik costs 2750 gold when he rides his dragon Mitnaithnir.
He has one uncommon, one rare, and one unique item.
When you bring him with his debuff, his lance, as well as the Dragonhorn (pretty much with all of his items & abilities), then Imrik costs around 3360 gold.
2750g naked on his dragon seems reasonable compared to prince, perhaps the dragon horn will get balanced out a bit, it doesn't make sense to give waghhh, i wish it was map wide unbreakable for 30s would not be oppressive and encourage wide armies with HE's
2750g naked on his dragon seems reasonable compared to prince, perhaps the dragon horn will get balanced out a bit, it doesn't make sense to give waghhh, i wish it was map wide unbreakable for 30s would not be oppressive and encourage wide armies with HE's
Most of the time you're picking a character FOR their abilities. All balance would be thrown out the window if items could be bought for a price and stuck on anyone like a banner. Considering any character without items is pretty unproductive since you're usually paying for the ability to pay for the items before you actually buy them.
2750g naked on his dragon seems reasonable compared to prince, perhaps the dragon horn will get balanced out a bit, it doesn't make sense to give waghhh, i wish it was map wide unbreakable for 30s would not be oppressive and encourage wide armies with HE's
Most of the time you're picking a character FOR their abilities. All balance would be thrown out the window if items could be bought for a price and stuck on anyone like a banner. Considering any character without items is pretty unproductive since you're usually paying for the ability to pay for the items before you actually buy them.
yeah but if the items are too strong than nerf the items not the charecter is what im saying.
2750g naked on his dragon seems reasonable compared to prince, perhaps the dragon horn will get balanced out a bit, it doesn't make sense to give waghhh, i wish it was map wide unbreakable for 30s would not be oppressive and encourage wide armies with HE's
Most of the time you're picking a character FOR their abilities. All balance would be thrown out the window if items could be bought for a price and stuck on anyone like a banner. Considering any character without items is pretty unproductive since you're usually paying for the ability to pay for the items before you actually buy them.
yeah but if the items are too strong than nerf the items not the charecter is what im saying.
Oh, totally in agreement there. Maybe HE don't need something to make regrowth even more cost effective though? Then again, you can't bring Imrik + Star.
We already have prince. Imrik should not be prince 2.0, a little better stats. Prince is not that good and not meta anyway.
Not saying Imrik is priced correctly, they might have to increase his cost, but let's see what he brings to the table. All these "OP threads' before every content drop just disappear, when actual real issues become visible.
2750g naked on his dragon seems reasonable compared to prince, perhaps the dragon horn will get balanced out a bit, it doesn't make sense to give waghhh, i wish it was map wide unbreakable for 30s would not be oppressive and encourage wide armies with HE's
Most of the time you're picking a character FOR their abilities. All balance would be thrown out the window if items could be bought for a price and stuck on anyone like a banner. Considering any character without items is pretty unproductive since you're usually paying for the ability to pay for the items before you actually buy them.
yeah but if the items are too strong than nerf the items not the charecter is what im saying.
Oh, totally in agreement there. Maybe HE don't need something to make regrowth even more cost effective though? Then again, you can't bring Imrik + Star.
TO heal cap imrik u would need to use 60 WOM....GO for it
We already have prince. Imrik should not be prince 2.0, a little better stats. Prince is not that good and not meta anyway.
Not saying Imrik is priced correctly, they might have to increase his cost, but let's see what he brings to the table. All these "OP threads' before every content drop just disappear, when actual real issues become visible.
Prince is not bad at all, it is just that Larry combos are simply too strong to ignore. In the same way Luthor was always a very good lord for Coast but he was almost never taken before Noctilus received nerfs in 3-4 patches in a row, or how Morathi is a very powerful lord, but Malekith in general has very high pick rate.
I don't understand why an ability called "lord of dragons" just puts the stats of an arbitrary enemy unit in the toilet. Wouldn't it be more thematic (and more balanced) if that ability was a buff to air fights, like TiqTaq's helm?
In any case, 3900g fully kitted sounds like a crazy nerf, I doubt CA will do it and surely a +600g like you propose would neither fix the issues at hand nor make him worth picking at all.
Frikking cute, the exact same person that was supporting hard for +$700 on garbage 0 pick rate blood dragon lord.
Come imrik, totally expected such immediate change of attitude
Somehow all the points and outright foolish justification for dread saurian nerfs completely gone. Its fine to heal imrik but healing ANY liz monsters is op, what a frikking joke lol.
And same person say slann should be monster unit where imrik plus a small horse mage is PERFECTLY balance.
I don't understand why an ability called "lord of dragons" just puts the stats of an arbitrary enemy unit in the toilet. Wouldn't it be more thematic (and more balanced) if that ability was a buff to air fights, like TiqTaq's helm?
Yes, that would be nice and would make a lot of sense.
This guy and the goblin fanatics are the two things that I am most concerned about at the moment.
As others have suggested, a base cost increase + either reducing the debuff effect of Lord of Dragons, or better, making it thematically situational (e.g. only effective vs flyers) are changes that are hopefully made before release.
Think his 'mini-Waaagh' effect is fine, though. Gives him something unique within the Helf roster.
I'd reduce debuff duration to 20 secs for sure, same for rampage. These excessively long duration debuffs are not fun.
I'd also avoid having debuffs/buffs stronger than +/-24. I see no reason to push them up as high as imriks, grimgor, fey or runepriest hammer. It's just too much and for no good reason. It puts ANYTHING in the trashcan.
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The problem with this guy is that is is a super duellist and a super strong force mutiplyer and he should chose between the two. I would just remove this debuff in MP for sure.
Something else, Imrik has a way to increase fire vulnerability, HE get an RoR that has the same effect and there's of course kindleflame.
Bet they all stack too knowing CA. Lord sniped with a short fireball spam, especially guys like Throgg or TK lords.
Same exact effect doesn't stack but everything else definitely will. (i.e. Imrik fire vulnerability won't stack with RoR fire vulnerability, but they both stack with kindleflame/innate weaknesses)
I personally love synergies like this (I tried to do a Empire fire build before huntsmarshalls were a thing and it was pitifully not worth the effort then). It makes army picking substantially more fun and rewards coordinating your units. The only problem is that these unit interactions have been trickled into the game rather than being designed for from the outset. A full rework of resistances is never going to happen so this slow addition to rosters will have to do.
Lizardmen can do a little bit of the fire syngery as well with Fire Slan, Bastilidons shooting fire, terradons shooting fire, ancient sally etc.
Something else, Imrik has a way to increase fire vulnerability, HE get an RoR that has the same effect and there's of course kindleflame.
Bet they all stack too knowing CA. Lord sniped with a short fireball spam, especially guys like Throgg or TK lords.
Same exact effect doesn't stack but everything else definitely will. (i.e. Imrik fire vulnerability won't stack with RoR fire vulnerability, but they both stack with kindleflame/innate weaknesses)
I personally love synergies like this (I tried to do a Empire fire build before huntsmarshalls were a thing and it was pitifully not worth the effort then). It makes army picking substantially more fun and rewards coordinating your units. The only problem is that these unit interactions have been trickled into the game rather than being designed for from the outset. A full rework of resistances is never going to happen so this slow addition to rosters will have to do.
Lizardmen can do a little bit of the fire syngery as well with Fire Slan, Bastilidons shooting fire, terradons shooting fire, ancient sally etc.
And ancient sally was nerfed leaving you with simple kindleflame which any faction can bring plus the spell that gives fire damage.
Imrik's abilities are totally unnecessary at current.
Absolutley overpowered and underpriced
Would be funny if Allarielle with Star, Star Dragon and 2 Nobels (nobles?) on chariot is still the go to build.
Possibly Imrik is strong but its easier to stop one unit with mass firepower than 2 noble chariot eagles and allariele running around everywhere with huge heals
Well I'm not sure about some of the changes you are asking for.
In general imo melee focused lords need really strong abilities or items to be worth it.
This specially true for legendary lords where there is always the generic version which is quite cheaper allowing wider builds. A simple improvement of stats by the legendary lord normally does not make it worth the price on those situations. Louen or Wulfric are perfect examples of that. They are incredibly strong lords beacuse they have an amazing kit of abilities and items which makes them way better their generic counterparts. With those items substantially nerfed or removed they will hardly see any sort of play.
Through the years Ca devs have realised this and they have proceed to substantially buff or give a lot of utility items to several legendary melee lords like karl franz or Alberic which were previously quite underwhelming.
They are applying the same treatment to skarnisk and grimgor now .
Same with Imrik.
I honestly think nerfing them sustantially will make him simply not worth it at all wich seems to be the exact opposite of what devs have tried to achive.
Imrik is still in a roster where alarielle teclis and probabaly some of the caster lords with dragon mounts are probably going to be a much better option.
Hell even the princess with a gripphon or a dragon looks quite interesting now.
I honestly think a price increade of 100 or so with maybe a small nerf to the debuff would be a more appropiate step now.
Then if he still looks too strong the hotfixx is going to be in a matter of weeks.
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1 · Disagree AgreeStill, with a life mage, we're talking 4500 roughly.
That is very much worth the price for such a character, cause he can snipe priority units very effectively and then use terror and cycle charging
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0 · Disagree AgreeFor example Zerkovich's video on Youtube mentions 3144 cost for Imrik on dragon with his basic abilities, but that's without his legendary Star Lance item. I saw the details on a Spanish stream:
Imrik costs 2750 gold when he rides his dragon Mitnaithnir.
He has one uncommon, one rare, and one unique item.
When you bring him with his debuff, his lance, as well as the Dragonhorn (pretty much with all of his items & abilities), then Imrik costs around 3360 gold.
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0 · Disagree AgreeNot saying Imrik is priced correctly, they might have to increase his cost, but let's see what he brings to the table. All these "OP threads' before every content drop just disappear, when actual real issues become visible.
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1 · Disagree Agree1) Hex should be nerfed, longher cooldown, -15 sec duration.
2) map wide waaaagh should be toned down
3) HE should imbue only 10% fire weakness with lance
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10 · Disagree AgreeDont hear this argument on a dread saurian now is it? and the same people wants that nerf but do a cute elven 360 when it comes to elves
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0 · Disagree AgreeCome imrik, totally expected such immediate change of attitude
Somehow all the points and outright foolish justification for dread saurian nerfs completely gone. Its fine to heal imrik but healing ANY liz monsters is op, what a frikking joke lol.
And same person say slann should be monster unit where imrik plus a small horse mage is PERFECTLY balance.
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4 · Disagree AgreeAs others have suggested, a base cost increase + either reducing the debuff effect of Lord of Dragons, or better, making it thematically situational (e.g. only effective vs flyers) are changes that are hopefully made before release.
Think his 'mini-Waaagh' effect is fine, though. Gives him something unique within the Helf roster.
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1 · Disagree AgreeI'd also avoid having debuffs/buffs stronger than +/-24. I see no reason to push them up as high as imriks, grimgor, fey or runepriest hammer. It's just too much and for no good reason. It puts ANYTHING in the trashcan.
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0 · Disagree AgreeImrik is strong but its easier to stop one unit with mass firepower than 2 noble chariot eagles and allariele running around everywhere with huge heals
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0 · Disagree AgreeIn general imo melee focused lords need really strong abilities or items to be worth it.
This specially true for legendary lords where there is always the generic version which is quite cheaper allowing wider builds.
A simple improvement of stats by the legendary lord normally does not make it worth the price on those situations.
Louen or Wulfric are perfect examples of that. They are incredibly strong lords beacuse they have an amazing kit of abilities and items which makes them way better their generic counterparts. With those items substantially nerfed or removed they will hardly see any sort of play.
Through the years Ca devs have realised this and they have proceed to substantially buff or give a lot of utility items to several legendary melee lords like karl franz or Alberic which were previously quite underwhelming.
They are applying the same treatment to skarnisk and grimgor now .
Same with Imrik.
I honestly think nerfing them sustantially will make him simply not worth it at all wich seems to be the exact opposite of what devs have tried to achive.
Imrik is still in a roster where alarielle teclis and probabaly some of the caster lords with dragon mounts are probably going to be a much better option.
Hell even the princess with a gripphon or a dragon looks quite interesting now.
I honestly think a price increade of 100 or so with maybe a small nerf to the debuff would be a more appropiate step now.
Then if he still looks too strong the hotfixx is going to be in a matter of weeks.
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I don't think so. If Imrik ends up in the game in the way he is now, and at the same price, he will totally dominate (competitive) pick rates.
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1 · Disagree Agree- being able to fly
- pick your engagements
- always get your charge bonus against anything else
- doing double attack on landing
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