Dogs of War/Southern Realms: Will They Be a WH2 Race Pack or Will They Come in WH3?

Draculasaurus

Early on in the life cycle of WH2 there was regular speculation that the Dogs of War (or Southern Realms, however you prefer to call it) would be a playable race in WH2. It made sense; there were all these foreign colonies of the Old World located in the New World, many of them had been settled by Southern Realms countries, and the DoW in general were known as explorers and adventurers.

However, this has so far not come to pass. Mechanics people once speculated might go to the DoW, such as a horde faction that serves a settled faction, or paid contracts, have gone to New World characters like Alith Anar or Nakai. New World settlements that might go to the DoW have become minor feeder settlements to major factions like Hexoatl, or have been occuptied by other LL factions. The general theme of New World exploration and conquest has been seized by existing Old World races, with characters like Markus Wulfhart or Repanse de Lyonesse.

Are the DoW/SR still coming? If so when? And with all these developments, will they still take the form we expected?

saweendra#3399

Who knows at this point they might as well make monos and cd and orger kingdoms and just Keep puting out every single unit in every single reference as lord packs.

ruben_jorkon#1979

Probably they will come in WH3

Draculasaurus

uzual said:

Probably they will come in WH3

In what form, do you think? Core race that comes with the game? DLC? Some sort of glorified RoR add-ons?

SerPus#7395

Draculasaurus said:

Are the DoW/SR still coming?

Sure. There are not that many factions left to add, so why would CA leave out an actual army?

Draculasaurus

SerPus said:

Draculasaurus said:

Are the DoW/SR still coming?

Sure. There are not that many factions left to add, so why would CA leave out an actual army?

Who can say why CA might do anything? Their decision making process is not always obvious. If the DoW are still coming, whne and how do you think they will comes? WH2? WH3? DLC? FLC?

SerPus#7395

Draculasaurus said:

Who can say why CA might do anything?

Why would they possibly leave it out?

Draculasaurus said:

If the DoW are still coming, whne and how do you think they will comes? WH2? WH3? DLC? FLC?

TWW3 core or DLC.

Okknight84

Seeing as the concept for Dogs of War are mercenaries from most of the other Warhammer races it would make sense to save them for last. It would make a nice swan song DLC for the trilogy.

Draculasaurus

SerPus said:

Draculasaurus said:

Who can say why CA might do anything?

Why would they possibly leave it out?

We still don't know the exact reason they rejected Araby as a potential race, despite have Warmaster army list that could be use. Given that, it's not impossible they have considerations we're unaware of. But for ones we are aware of, they might reject the DoW for a variety of reason. They might think it wouldn't sell that well, they might think the army roster isn't robust enough and that it would be too much work to expand it, they might want to focus their efforts on other races, they might personally just not be that interested in doing the DoW, and so on and so forth.

I'm not saying any of these are the case, I'm just saying that until CA actually announces the DoW, we have no particular reason to assume they're coming. They might, they might not.

Labria#2848

I think Southern Realms will be add in game 3 as FLC or DLC race.

SerPus#7395

Draculasaurus said:

they rejected Araby as a potential race, despite have Warmaster army list that could be use.

Warmaster list isn't comparable to an actual army book.

Draculasaurus said:

they might think the army roster isn't robust enough and that it would be too much work to expand it

That's clearly not a problem with DoW. They have a lot of potential stuff laying around.

davedave1124#4773

CA are really not giving anything away.

Captain_Rex#1635

I think they should be a major campaign pack DLC in WH3 with 4-6 LLs. Hell they could even be a core race but Kislev as the first line against chaos fits better here in my opinion. I see DoW in a similar situation as TK and WE. As a neutral race they are perfect for a 20 campaign pack.

Wasting them as the cheap preorder bonus would be a bad decision.

davedave1124#4773

ArneSo said:

I think they should be a major campaign pack DLC in WH3 with 4-6 LLs. Hell they could even be a core race but Kislev as the first line against chaos fits better here in my opinion. I see DoW in a similar situation as TK and WE. As a neutral race they are perfect for a 20 campaign pack.

Wasting them as the cheap preorder bonus would be a bad decision.

TBF Norsca is a fine DLC.

Captain_Rex#1635

davedave1124 said:

ArneSo said:

I think they should be a major campaign pack DLC in WH3 with 4-6 LLs. Hell they could even be a core race but Kislev as the first line against chaos fits better here in my opinion. I see DoW in a similar situation as TK and WE. As a neutral race they are perfect for a 20 campaign pack.

Wasting them as the cheap preorder bonus would be a bad decision.

TBF Norsca is a fine DLC.

It definitely is. I love Norsca for what it is. Calling it cheap was maybe the wrong wording, but there is definitely a huge difference if we look at Norsca and TK when it comes to content and quality.

So I think DoW should definitely be on the level as TK or VCoast.

They have so many characters, they should definitely be a Campaign Pack or a core race.

ruben_jorkon#1979

Draculasaurus said:

uzual said:

Probably they will come in WH3

In what form, do you think? Core race that comes with the game? DLC? Some sort of glorified RoR add-ons?

I dont know, probably DLC but could come as core race

Draculasaurus

ArneSo said:

I think they should be a major campaign pack DLC in WH3 with 4-6 LLs. Hell they could even be a core race but Kislev as the first line against chaos fits better here in my opinion. I see DoW in a similar situation as TK and WE. As a neutral race they are perfect for a 20 campaign pack.

Wasting them as the cheap preorder bonus would be a bad decision.

What's to stop them from making both Kislev and DoW core?

Labria#2848

ArneSo said:

I think they should be a major campaign pack DLC in WH3 with 4-6 LLs. Hell they could even be a core race but Kislev as the first line against chaos fits better here in my opinion. I see DoW in a similar situation as TK and WE. As a neutral race they are perfect for a 20 campaign pack.

Wasting them as the cheap preorder bonus would be a bad decision.

I agree, Southern Realms need 4+ legendary lords.
Pre-order race should be something small like Amazons with just 2 legendary lords. Most of their assets will be just reskin/remodel of Lizardmen and Wood Elves stuff + a few unique animals like jaguars and big apes.

SerPus#7395

Draculasaurus said:

What's to stop them from making both Kislev and DoW core?

Daemons, Ogres and Chaos Dwarfs have more potential for lord packs.

Struuner#8507

Haha man these posts are so old it's hilarious, but seriously I want dogs of war

kamenhero25

I feel like the Dogs of War/Southern Realms would make a good race pack DLC. Tilea has a significant presence in the Dark Lands due to being the biggest participant in the Silk Road trade with Cathay so it makes sense to include them in game 3. There's easily a large enough number of potential legendary lords for a 4 lord pack, and their general mercenary themes seem like they would be more fun to explore and build a campaign around if they were the focus of a unique campaign rather than tied to a central Vortex style campaign where they'd likely have to have an objective directly opposed to the other core races. Plus, it would be a good time to introduce a FLC lord along with them with a mercenary bent (Golgfag Maneater, Gitilla the Hunter, etc.) in the same way that Lokhir Fellheart was introduced alongside the Vampire Coast.

Draculasaurus

SerPus said:

Draculasaurus said:

What's to stop them from making both Kislev and DoW core?

Daemons, Ogres and Chaos Dwarfs have more potential for lord packs.

Due to units or due to theme?

SerPus#7395

Draculasaurus said:

Due to units or due to theme?

Units.

Draculasaurus

SerPus said:

Draculasaurus said:

Due to units or due to theme?

Units.

I think that ties back into the possibility that the DoW roster might not be robust enough for CA. Earlier you said the DoW "have a lot of potential stuff laying around," but this would suggest perhaps they do not.

Captain_Rex#1635

kamenhero25 said:

I feel like the Dogs of War/Southern Realms would make a good race pack DLC. Tilea has a significant presence in the Dark Lands due to being the biggest participant in the Silk Road trade with Cathay so it makes sense to include them in game 3. There's easily a large enough number of potential legendary lords for a 4 lord pack, and their general mercenary themes seem like they would be more fun to explore and build a campaign around if they were the focus of a unique campaign rather than tied to a central Vortex style campaign where they'd likely have to have an objective directly opposed to the other core races. Plus, it would be a good time to introduce a FLC lord along with them with a mercenary bent (Golgfag Maneater, Gitilla the Hunter, etc.) in the same way that Lokhir Fellheart was introduced alongside the Vampire Coast.

If they are just a race pack they will end up with 2-3 LLs and that would be a shame since they have so many good characters which can literally be placed everywhere on the map.

- Borgio
- Lucrezzia
- Lorenzo Lupo
- Mydas
- Lietpold the Black
- Bernhardt
- Jaego Roth
- Gashnag
- Pirazzo
- Long Drong
- Marco Columbo (dead)
- Leonardo (dead)

Just to name a few.

kamenhero25

ArneSo said:

kamenhero25 said:

I feel like the Dogs of War/Southern Realms would make a good race pack DLC. Tilea has a significant presence in the Dark Lands due to being the biggest participant in the Silk Road trade with Cathay so it makes sense to include them in game 3. There's easily a large enough number of potential legendary lords for a 4 lord pack, and their general mercenary themes seem like they would be more fun to explore and build a campaign around if they were the focus of a unique campaign rather than tied to a central Vortex style campaign where they'd likely have to have an objective directly opposed to the other core races. Plus, it would be a good time to introduce a FLC lord along with them with a mercenary bent (Golgfag Maneater, Gitilla the Hunter, etc.) in the same way that Lokhir Fellheart was introduced alongside the Vampire Coast.

If they are just a race pack they will end up with 2-3 LLs and that would be a shame since they have so many good characters which can literally be placed everywhere on the map.

- Borgio
- Lucrezzia
- Lorenzo Lupo
- Mydas
- Lietpold the Black
- Bernhardt
- Jaego Roth
- Gashnag
- Pirazzo
- Long Drong
- Marco Columbo (dead)
- Leonardo (dead)

Just to name a few.

Both race packs from game 2 had 4 lords a piece. I have no idea where you're getting the idea that they'd only have two. Unless you only think of Beastmen and Wood Elves as race packs?

Personally, I'd go with Borgio, Lucrezzia, Lorenzo, and Lietpold. Start Borgio in Miragliano in ME and Lietpold in the Border Princes somewhere, then put Lucrezzia and Lorenzo in the Dark Lands leading mercenary expeditions. Pavona and Luccini would be under the control of minor factions representing their allies (Lucrezzia's current husband and Lorenzo's sorceress sister respectively) and maybe have an early confed option.

Nihil515

I have a friend who have a friend that work for CA. He told my friend that they are going to put Estalian Lord's in Lustria and other parts: Pirazzo recanonaized to be Estalian and not Tilean. Don Pelayo to be in Estalia. Marco Colombo, Tilean but with an expedition found by the Estalians Kings, starting in the Sorcerers Islands and looking for colonize the New World. And Finally, The Great Captain, founder of Tercios, conquering Tilea.

Promised! Why you don't believe me? Is it just because of my Estalian Logo? Is it just because my description it is too historically accurate?

xBlood_Raven#5120

To be honest, Dogs of War/Southern Realms have been talked about since Game 1 (specifically when it was announced that a minor race was being done). No one suspected Norsca until the teaser image got released and people realised that Norsca had a Citadel Journal roster (22 if I remember correctly).

I did think they would be Game 2 (along Tomb Kings and Araby) but when I was reading the Dogs of War army book, it became apparent that the eastern trade routes are mentioned and highlighted many times throughout. Adding Ogres and Hobgoblins to this mix, it became clear that Dogs of War/Southern Realms are much better suited as a Game 3 campaign pack. Due to this, they will either end up as a campaign pack or pre-order (although Kislev could still take it).

Borgio the Besieger, Lucrezzia Belladonna and Lorenzo Lupo seem definite as LLs in my opinion as they're all different and centre focus in the book. The fourth could be a few people. Lietpold the Black (very evil for a mercenary and can fit the 'Arkhan' LL for the selection of characters), Morgan Bernhardt (first video game character with Shadow of the Horned Rat and Dark Omen and leader of the Grudgebringers) and Jaego Roth (not confirmed as dead and having a Landship as a mount would be badass).

I would prefer Morgan Bernhardt but I think Lietpold will take it for being evil and in a Forge World book. Morgan Bernhardt vs Thanquol would be a decent Lord pack too.

Tayvar

Model-Wise WH3 make more sense, because many Models can be reused for the Dogs of War.

WhySoSalty#3990

Labria said:

ArneSo said:

I think they should be a major campaign pack DLC in WH3 with 4-6 LLs. Hell they could even be a core race but Kislev as the first line against chaos fits better here in my opinion. I see DoW in a similar situation as TK and WE. As a neutral race they are perfect for a 20 campaign pack.

Wasting them as the cheap preorder bonus would be a bad decision.

I agree, Southern Realms need 4+ legendary lords.
Pre-order race should be something small like Amazons with just 2 legendary lords. Most of their assets will be just reskin/remodel of Lizardmen and Wood Elves stuff + a few unique animals like jaguars and big apes.

ahhh the mighty 5 official units amazon race pack. honest question: how in the world some ppl still think that "factions" like Amazons, Albion and co have the slightest chance to be more than just a couple of units in the DoW roster?

SerPus#7395

Draculasaurus said:

but this would suggest perhaps they do not.

They do. Daemons, Chaos Dwarfs and Ogres are just better in that regard. But DoW is still better than Kislev.