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From a thematic standpoint, DoW fit better in WH2. Their "soldiers for hire" theme meshes well with the conflict at the center of the Vortex campaign since we have order races fighting order races and destruction races fighting destruction. They'd also be great replacement forces for certain mechanics like intervention armies and Rogue armies/fleets.
Siding with the High Elves against the LM or with the Dark Elves against the Skaven in pursuit of those races' objectives seems more plausible than any potential goal in WH3. If they're saved for WH3, they'll likely be cast as the "good guys," pitted against forces of Chaos and their mercenary aspect won't really have a chance to shine through.
From a content perspective, they'd probably be better served by coming in WH3 but I don't think by much. Using Norsca as an example, there's no reason to think that the DoW roster couldn't be as fleshed out as TKs or VCoast if they were to be the preorder. Even Norsca had to create expensive new models like Mammoths, Skin Wolves, and Fimir and there's next to nothing like that in the DoW roster.
The only real advantage to coming in WH3 would be the extra LL or 2. That's certainly a valid concern, though personally there's only 3 LLs I think are absolutely necessary for them; Borgio, Lucrezzia, and Lorenzo.
Truth be told though, I think the best opportunity to add them has already been squandered. So many other factions and races already occupy their thematic niches and potential start positions that it makes me think CA have already considered it and ultimately passed on them. I don't think we're getting them at all. Ever.
IF they will be for WH2, they will be pre-order. In that case I think DoW will have 3 Legendary Lords, namely Borgio, Lucrezzia and Lorenzo. Also, to represent their "sub-races" Anaconda for Amazons, Fengus for Albion and Al-Muktar for Araby as lords done by tech tree. Maybe you can even unlock a few units with it to have at least 1 thematic army.
IF they will be for WH3 as DLC, I hope the 4th Legendary Lord, besides Borgio, Lucrezzia and Lorenzo will be not human. I do not care who but DoW are much more then just a bunch of human mercenaries. Nearly every race has something there.
IF they will be for WH3 as core, well, I do not really care who makes it in then.
DoW/SR ARE coming and they will be the pre-order. That's what our visionary has proclaimed and you are to accept. Also, whether or not they are pre-order they WILL come with 4 Legendary Lords, irrelevant of the fact that the previous ones had 3 and 2.
And the Legendary Lords, to represent each aspect of DoW/SR will be Borgio, Lucrezzia, Morgan Bernhardt and Jaego Roth.... imo.
Furthermore, I consider that Daemon Prince must be removed.
I’m fairly certain DoW/Southern Realms will come...either as a preorder or a full fledged DLC for Game 3.
CA has actually hinted at them quite a bit.
1. Miragliano is a 10 slot city. Clearly a placeholder for a future faction.
2. Miragliano is a victory condition in Mortal Empires...along with all major capitols that belong to each race.
3. Southern Realms mentioned in Norsca, Wood Elf, and Empire tech trees.
4. The Fay Enchantress campaign intro. Clearly mentions sellswords from Miragliano.
5. Before Vampire Coast released, someone during an AMA asked when we’re getting Tilea. Rich responded with “one day maybe.” He gave the same response to Vampire Coast when the same user asked...and obviously we ended up getting Vampire Coast.
6. Southern Realms has its own category in diplomacy along with its own voicelines. Clearly, CA want to distinguish the SR from the Empire just like Kislev.
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All people here assume, game 1 map will be in game 3 map as well, which is just not the case.
How can DoW works if their biggest cities, and territoires are not present on game 3 map. So you want 6 LL put in game 3 as core, but without their biggest land, I would love to see that.
Best race for pre order was Araby, CA said no, second best pre order race and DoW, we will see what CA will use.
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Great thread. Cant wait for DoW/SR so much potential and i think with CAs track record tvey will make them beyond amazing.
It needs to be pointed out that what people call "cheese" is just playing the game the way it actually exists not in some fictional way they think it is supposed to work.
How can DoW works if their biggest cities, and territoires are not present on game 3 map. So you want 6 LL put in game 3 as core, but without their biggest land, I would love to see that.
How can DoW works if their biggest cities, and territoires are not present on game 3 map. So you want 6 LL put in game 3 as core, but without their biggest land, I would love to see that.
Skaven.
What Skaven has to do with DoW, mercenaries or not, 6 Ll cant be put in Dark Land without their lands....or can, all as horders, perfect gameplay
How can DoW works if their biggest cities, and territoires are not present on game 3 map. So you want 6 LL put in game 3 as core, but without their biggest land, I would love to see that.
Skaven.
What Skaven has to do with DoW, mercenaries or not, 6 Ll cant be put in Dark Land without their lands....or can, all as horders, perfect gameplay
All of the Skaven major power centers are in the Old World and yet they were released for Warhammer 2 in the New World. I don't see how that'd be a problem for DoW when it clearly wasn't a problem for Skaven. DoW also have the expeditionary aspect to them as well.
And why is it all of a sudden 6 LLs? Campaign packs come with 4 LLs and race packs top out at 3. Only core races so far have breached 4, and I doubt DoW will be one of the core quartet.
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CA already stated that there is only one more lord pack left. So they'll be game 3 if they are added.
They still have not clarified whether or not "only lord packs left" applies to the preorder bonus, if there is one. It's hypothetically possible that DoW could come in WH2. But like I mentioned before, I think DoW is dead in the water.
How can DoW works if their biggest cities, and territoires are not present on game 3 map. So you want 6 LL put in game 3 as core, but without their biggest land, I would love to see that.
Skaven.
What Skaven has to do with DoW, mercenaries or not, 6 Ll cant be put in Dark Land without their lands....or can, all as horders, perfect gameplay
All of the Skaven major power centers are in the Old World and yet they were released for Warhammer 2 in the New World. I don't see how that'd be a problem for DoW when it clearly wasn't a problem for Skaven. DoW also have the expeditionary aspect to them as well.
And why is it all of a sudden 6 LLs? Campaign packs come with 4 LLs and race packs top out at 3. Only core races so far have breached 4, and I doubt DoW will be one of the core quartet.
Tons of people demand DoW as core, because old AB. So 6 is fair enough. So that is first problem. yea, expeditions, so all DoW, leave their cities and go on rampage in Dark Land...
How can DoW works if their biggest cities, and territoires are not present on game 3 map. So you want 6 LL put in game 3 as core, but without their biggest land, I would love to see that.
Skaven.
What Skaven has to do with DoW, mercenaries or not, 6 Ll cant be put in Dark Land without their lands....or can, all as horders, perfect gameplay
All of the Skaven major power centers are in the Old World and yet they were released for Warhammer 2 in the New World. I don't see how that'd be a problem for DoW when it clearly wasn't a problem for Skaven. DoW also have the expeditionary aspect to them as well.
And why is it all of a sudden 6 LLs? Campaign packs come with 4 LLs and race packs top out at 3. Only core races so far have breached 4, and I doubt DoW will be one of the core quartet.
Tons of people demand DoW as core, because old AB. So 6 is fair enough. So that is first problem. yea, expeditions, so all DoW, leave their cities and go on rampage in Dark Land...
I'm rejecting that premise because it's far from a given. Just because some people want them as core doesn't mean it's going to happen that way. Let's argue on the basis of placing 2-4, since that's more reasonable.
In any case, you haven't adequately countered my argument. Skavenblight, Hell Pit, Karak Eight Peaks, and Crookback Mountain are non-existent on the Vortex Map, and yet Skaven are everywhere on that map. Why is it a problem for the DoW to leave their cities for the WH3 standalone map when it clearly wasn't a problem for the Skaven to leave their cities for the Vortex campaign?
How can DoW works if their biggest cities, and territoires are not present on game 3 map. So you want 6 LL put in game 3 as core, but without their biggest land, I would love to see that.
Skaven.
What Skaven has to do with DoW, mercenaries or not, 6 Ll cant be put in Dark Land without their lands....or can, all as horders, perfect gameplay
All of the Skaven major power centers are in the Old World and yet they were released for Warhammer 2 in the New World. I don't see how that'd be a problem for DoW when it clearly wasn't a problem for Skaven. DoW also have the expeditionary aspect to them as well.
And why is it all of a sudden 6 LLs? Campaign packs come with 4 LLs and race packs top out at 3. Only core races so far have breached 4, and I doubt DoW will be one of the core quartet.
Tons of people demand DoW as core, because old AB. So 6 is fair enough. So that is first problem. yea, expeditions, so all DoW, leave their cities and go on rampage in Dark Land...
I'm rejecting that premise because it's far from a given. Just because some people want them as core doesn't mean it's going to happen that way. Let's argue on the basis of placing 2-4, since that's more reasonable.
In any case, you haven't adequately countered my argument. Skavenblight, Hell Pit, Karak Eight Peaks, and Crookback Mountain are non-existent on the Vortex Map, and yet Skaven are everywhere on that map. Why is it a problem for the DoW to leave their cities for the WH3 standalone map when it clearly wasn't a problem for the Skaven to leave their cities for the Vortex campaign?
DoW use to have AB, its more then any other Human nation for game 3, or even some good race, so its very relevant, that they are to be core of game 3.
Skaven have underground in all place, out side HE island, that can be somehow justified them being move. Skaven are pest, they are numerous, they can live in every place, Humans cant. And out side fighting in defending their silk road, DoW have no reason to send their very best LL to darkland, all 4 or 6. And leave their land unproteced.
DoW have no reason to send their very best LL to darkland, all 4 or 6. And leave their land unproteced.
With logic like that DoW can't be added in the game at all, since Tilea isn't on the Vortex map either.
Yea, Kislev and DoW should be added in game 1. But if we must chose, DoW fits game 2 better, then game 3.
By your own logic, DoW shouldn't be in WH2 either. You're not making any sense.
BEcause most of their land is in game 1 map, and putting 6 LL in game 3 map is insane. As DLC race they can get 4 LL, which is easier to put into game 2 map, then over 6 as core in game 3. Logic people, on this forum.
DoW have no reason to send their very best LL to darkland, all 4 or 6. And leave their land unproteced.
With logic like that DoW can't be added in the game at all, since Tilea isn't on the Vortex map either.
Yea, Kislev and DoW should be added in game 1. But if we must chose, DoW fits game 2 better, then game 3.
By your own logic, DoW shouldn't be in WH2 either. You're not making any sense.
BEcause most of their land is in game 1 map, and putting 6 LL in game 3 map is insane. As DLC race they can get 4 LL, which is easier to put into game 2 map, then over 6 as core in game 3. Logic people, on this forum.
You keep ignoring the very real probability that DoW would only have 4 LLs in WH3. You're ignorant of the fact that they likely will be a DLC race for whichever game they're released for. Stop being obstinately bull-headed just because you're losing the argument.
DoW have no reason to send their very best LL to darkland, all 4 or 6. And leave their land unproteced.
With logic like that DoW can't be added in the game at all, since Tilea isn't on the Vortex map either.
Yea, Kislev and DoW should be added in game 1. But if we must chose, DoW fits game 2 better, then game 3.
By your own logic, DoW shouldn't be in WH2 either. You're not making any sense.
BEcause most of their land is in game 1 map, and putting 6 LL in game 3 map is insane. As DLC race they can get 4 LL, which is easier to put into game 2 map, then over 6 as core in game 3. Logic people, on this forum.
You keep ignoring the very real probability that DoW would only have 4 LLs in WH3. You're ignorant of the fact that they likely will be a DLC race for whichever game they're released for. Stop being obstinately bull-headed just because you're losing the argument.
You dont even know if they come to game 3, or what race. I doubt that race who use to have AB, will be DLC race, and you have no reason to say they will. Game 3 most likley will not be sell without good faction, and we dont have many for game 3 either.
And no, DLC for DoW will be waste, based of how much content they will have, its not Norsca in scale. So use bnetter argument then they will be dlc race because I said so.
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Siding with the High Elves against the LM or with the Dark Elves against the Skaven in pursuit of those races' objectives seems more plausible than any potential goal in WH3. If they're saved for WH3, they'll likely be cast as the "good guys," pitted against forces of Chaos and their mercenary aspect won't really have a chance to shine through.
From a content perspective, they'd probably be better served by coming in WH3 but I don't think by much. Using Norsca as an example, there's no reason to think that the DoW roster couldn't be as fleshed out as TKs or VCoast if they were to be the preorder. Even Norsca had to create expensive new models like Mammoths, Skin Wolves, and Fimir and there's next to nothing like that in the DoW roster.
The only real advantage to coming in WH3 would be the extra LL or 2. That's certainly a valid concern, though personally there's only 3 LLs I think are absolutely necessary for them; Borgio, Lucrezzia, and Lorenzo.
Truth be told though, I think the best opportunity to add them has already been squandered. So many other factions and races already occupy their thematic niches and potential start positions that it makes me think CA have already considered it and ultimately passed on them. I don't think we're getting them at all. Ever.
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0 · Disagree AgreeIF they will be for WH3 as DLC, I hope the 4th Legendary Lord, besides Borgio, Lucrezzia and Lorenzo will be not human. I do not care who but DoW are much more then just a bunch of human mercenaries. Nearly every race has something there.
IF they will be for WH3 as core, well, I do not really care who makes it in then.
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0 · Disagree AgreeAnd the Legendary Lords, to represent each aspect of DoW/SR will be Borgio, Lucrezzia, Morgan Bernhardt and Jaego Roth.... imo.
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3 · Disagree AgreeCA has actually hinted at them quite a bit.
1. Miragliano is a 10 slot city. Clearly a placeholder for a future faction.
2. Miragliano is a victory condition in Mortal Empires...along with all major capitols that belong to each race.
3. Southern Realms mentioned in Norsca, Wood Elf, and Empire tech trees.
4. The Fay Enchantress campaign intro. Clearly mentions sellswords from Miragliano.
5. Before Vampire Coast released, someone during an AMA asked when we’re getting Tilea. Rich responded with “one day maybe.” He gave the same response to Vampire Coast when the same user asked...and obviously we ended up getting Vampire Coast.
6. Southern Realms has its own category in diplomacy along with its own voicelines. Clearly, CA want to distinguish the SR from the Empire just like Kislev.
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4 · Disagree AgreeHow can DoW works if their biggest cities, and territoires are not present on game 3 map. So you want 6 LL put in game 3 as core, but without their biggest land, I would love to see that.
Best race for pre order was Araby, CA said no, second best pre order race and DoW, we will see what CA will use.
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0 · Disagree AgreeGreat thread. Cant wait for DoW/SR so much potential and i think with CAs track record tvey will make them beyond amazing.
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0 · Disagree AgreeIn any case, you haven't adequately countered my argument. Skavenblight, Hell Pit, Karak Eight Peaks, and Crookback Mountain are non-existent on the Vortex Map, and yet Skaven are everywhere on that map. Why is it a problem for the DoW to leave their cities for the WH3 standalone map when it clearly wasn't a problem for the Skaven to leave their cities for the Vortex campaign?
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0 · Disagree AgreeSkaven have underground in all place, out side HE island, that can be somehow justified them being move. Skaven are pest, they are numerous, they can live in every place, Humans cant. And out side fighting in defending their silk road, DoW have no reason to send their very best LL to darkland, all 4 or 6. And leave their land unproteced.
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0 · Disagree AgreeAnd no, DLC for DoW will be waste, based of how much content they will have, its not Norsca in scale. So use bnetter argument then they will be dlc race because I said so.
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