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  • yst#1879yst#1879 Registered Users Posts: 10,038
    edited August 2020

    On i tested both just showing how bias your tests are where you try take charecters vs monsters and ignore the fact that charecters on monsters always pay more than the feral version.

    Not hard, come test it live, right here right now.
    Instead of lying it hard.

    39 black drag vs 39 arcane. No problem with teclics dealing with karl and leon.

    Also why shouldnt character pay more, black dragon lord hs

    +20 MORE LD
    +8 MORE ATT
    +2 MORE DEF


    Thats stupidly more than $200 easily. +20 ld on an expensive sem like that
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  • Disposable HeroDisposable Hero Registered Users Posts: 7,031
    If black dragon has 10 more ld it must be op, it is known.

    Seriously, Karl, dragons etc are better units than arc phoenix. You can duel them as much as you like, it doesn't make arc phoenix a better pick. It might be a better pick in the emp, bret or de rosters, but in the HE roster is doesn't add much umph in a function that the faction needs to patch, its vortex is low ap and its not very high impact vs armour on the ground in melee. A dragon does that better, and HE have no problem dealing with what the phoenix can deal with, ie Air duels and low AP blobs. That is a function you can do nearly as well with a flamespire for 500 less, which is much more cost efficient.

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  • yst#1879yst#1879 Registered Users Posts: 10,038
    edited August 2020

    If black dragon has 10 more ld it must be op, it is known.

    ur right, 10 is incorrect. Its only +20 ld more lol

    Tbh tho, not really fuss about how stupidly overtuned arcane is. Comes welf we r gonna get something even more absurd, cant wait to jump right into them, both r extremely abusive faction that barely any1 will complain about.

    U can just make up some excuses for the free stats and u get a pass from the balance team. No one dare to touch the most favoured and autopick faction, thats the beauty of using factions like them
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  • Lotus_Moon#2452Lotus_Moon#2452 Registered Users Posts: 12,375
    edited August 2020
    yst said:

    On i tested both just showing how bias your tests are where you try take charecters vs monsters and ignore the fact that charecters on monsters always pay more than the feral version.

    Not hard, come test it live, right here right now.
    Instead of lying it hard.

    39 black drag vs 39 arcane. No problem with teclics dealing with karl and leon.

    Also why shouldnt character pay more, black dragon lord hs

    +20 MORE LD
    +8 MORE ATT
    +2 MORE DEF


    Thats stupidly more than $200 easily. +20 ld on an expensive sem like that
    That depends on what charecter your;re comparing it to, mage has same stats but 200g more, bow charecter on dragon also same stats.


    And than you get arcane pheonix to teclis


    +350g
    -rebirth
    -Vortex
    +15% missile resitance
    5 LESS LD


    Seems Teclis on his bird could actually use -500g to be comparable to arcane pheonix solo.
  • yst#1879yst#1879 Registered Users Posts: 10,038

    Seems Teclis on his bird could actually use -500g to be comparable to arcane pheonix solo.

    With whats coming to welf.

    We might need that
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  • littlenuke#9412littlenuke#9412 Registered Users Posts: 855

    yst said:

    On i tested both just showing how bias your tests are where you try take charecters vs monsters and ignore the fact that charecters on monsters always pay more than the feral version.

    Not hard, come test it live, right here right now.
    Instead of lying it hard.

    39 black drag vs 39 arcane. No problem with teclics dealing with karl and leon.

    Also why shouldnt character pay more, black dragon lord hs

    +20 MORE LD
    +8 MORE ATT
    +2 MORE DEF


    Thats stupidly more than $200 easily. +20 ld on an expensive sem like that
    That depends on what charecter your;re comparing it to, mage has same stats but 200g more, bow charecter on dragon also same stats.


    And than you get arcane pheonix to teclis


    +350g
    -rebirth
    -Vortex
    +15% missile resitance
    5 LESS LD


    Seems Teclis on his bird could actually use -500g to be comparable to arcane pheonix solo.
    Maybe, just maybe, you pay for the availability of the best spell selection in game? And availability of absurd WoM pools on an already top teir monster?
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  • yst#1879yst#1879 Registered Users Posts: 10,038
    Nah its normally free for helf. Also the one and only faction where lords and mage heroes can interchangably with 0 costs involved
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