No DE FLC Lord? So are the DEs done forever?

TheWattman#7460

The recent information reveal seems to indicate that the regular FLC spot will be taken over by the older DLC update lord, most likely being Ariel. Assuming that's the case and also that this is the last DLC before WH3, then this brings up some questions. Most noteably for the Dark Elves. The 2nd DLC spot most certainly belongs to the Skaven, as they are the WH2 race in most need of an update. It would also bring them to 6 lords, alongside the High Elves and Lizardmen.

However, the Dark Elves only have 5 lords and not enough content to form another DLC, so a major theory regarding this DLC was the Dark Elves getting their 6th lord as well, most likely either Rakarth or Tullaris Dreadbringer. But now that might not be the case anymore and assuming this is indeed the last DLC before WH3, then what are the future plans for the Dark Elves? Are they considered done by CA, having all their content, but just one less lord than the other WH2 core races? Or is CA planning an FLC Dark Elf for WH3?

If that's the case, then who? The only lore-connection that they have to the East is Duriath Helbane's planned invasion of the Lost Isles of Elithis. Is that what CA is planning? Or just putting Rakarth, Tullaris or someone else even in the Dark Lands somewhere?

What do you think guys? What is the future of the Dark Elves?

Captain_Rex#1635

I expect 2 more LPs so both DE and Skaven will get their 6th LL.

TheGuardianOfMetal#3661

I pretty much hope that the Skaven ARE NOT in this DLC.

Skaven Should be VS Dwarfs, not WE.

Captain_Rex#1635

TheGuardianOfMetal said:

I pretty much hope that the Skaven ARE NOT in this DLC.

Skaven Should be VS Dwarfs, not WE.

You still think that Dwarfs will get a LP in WH2? 😂😂

MeGa_N00B#2436

Sadly, if we do not have one more LP after this, and if DE are not vs WE it seems like DE will get the short end of the stick in game 2. Will have less LLs compared to others.

Labria#2848

Dark Elves can easy get new FLC legendary lord with pre-order bonus.

SerPus#7395

TheGuardianOfMetal said:

Skaven Should be VS Dwarfs, not WE.

What's the difference?

Goatforce#6625

TheGuardianOfMetal said:

I pretty much hope that the Skaven ARE NOT in this DLC.

Skaven Should be VS Dwarfs, not WE.

Skaven vs WEs is fine, in fact according to Loremaster of Sotek the only times WEs really intervene outside of AL is vs Skaven, at least to support Bretonnia

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXKqUhLcmHI

ArneSo said:

I expect 2 more LPs so both DE and Skaven will get their 6th LL.

I don't know, I think we are still on for 1 remaining LP, unless the pre-order is a LP. Of course nothing is stopping the Skaven from getting the upcoming LP and the DEs from getting a FLC LL with the pre-order if the pre order applies to WH2 like Norsca.

TheWattman#7460

ArneSo said:

I expect 2 more LPs so both DE and Skaven will get their 6th LL.

You're talking about this one and then another one in early 2021?

Labria said:

Dark Elves can easy get new FLC legendary lord with pre-order bonus.

One DE FLC for Pre-Order? What kind of pre-order would that be?

Captain_Rex#1635

Goatforce said:

TheGuardianOfMetal said:

I pretty much hope that the Skaven ARE NOT in this DLC.

Skaven Should be VS Dwarfs, not WE.

Skaven vs WEs is fine, in fact according to Loremaster of Sotek the only times WEs really intervene outside of AL is vs Skaven, at least to support Bretonnia

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXKqUhLcmHI

ArneSo said:

I expect 2 more LPs so both DE and Skaven will get their 6th LL.

I don't know, I think we are still on for 1 remaining LP, unless the pre-order is a LP. Of course nothing is stopping the Skaven from getting the upcoming LP and the DEs from getting a FLC LL with the pre-order if the pre order applies to WH2 like Norsca.

Yeah that’s probably the most realistic scenario.

TheGuardianOfMetal#3661

Goatforce said:

TheGuardianOfMetal said:

I pretty much hope that the Skaven ARE NOT in this DLC.

Skaven Should be VS Dwarfs, not WE.

Skaven vs WEs is fine, in fact according to Loremaster of Sotek the only times WEs really intervene outside of AL is vs Skaven, at least to support Bretonnia

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXKqUhLcmHI

I am aware of the video.

Doesn't mean i have to agree with Sotek on this. Skaven Should be VS DWARFS, for obvious reasons.

WE helping Bretonnians vs Rats? woopie, compared to the ancient Grudges against the Raki.

And the WE HAVE helped KF VS beastmen. They have besieged Morathi in Grondh.

An d since hte DLC will probably have little to do with "Supporting bretonnians VS Skaven"... it'd make more sense to have them VS DE (especially considering the accusations of Skaven favouritism that already are there), and then do Skaven VS Dwarfs.

brago90#3911

DLC: Wood elves (Drycha) vs Skavens (Troth)
FLC: New legendary hero (Ghorrich I guess)

For Warhammer 1 (and 2) owners: Wood elves mechanics rework.

For owners of the original Wood elves DLC: Ariel, New units, new variants, new hero (Shadowdancer I guess) and new lores (high magic and dark magic)

Captain_Rex#1635

TheGuardianOfMetal said:

Goatforce said:

TheGuardianOfMetal said:

I pretty much hope that the Skaven ARE NOT in this DLC.

Skaven Should be VS Dwarfs, not WE.

Skaven vs WEs is fine, in fact according to Loremaster of Sotek the only times WEs really intervene outside of AL is vs Skaven, at least to support Bretonnia

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXKqUhLcmHI

I am aware of the video.

Doesn't mean i have to agree with Sotek on this. Skaven Should be VS DWARFS, for obvious reasons.

They really shouldn’t. Dwarfs (and VC) should get 2 crossovers in WH3:
- Dwarfs vs Chaos Dwarfs
- Dwarfs vs Ogres

Why are people so obsessed with a Dwarf vs Skaven LP? Racial rivalries are completely irrelevant at this point.

SerPus#7395

brago90 said:

FLC: New legendary hero

Just hero

natethegreat1112

What else do you want for the dark elves? They really have no cool characters left besides dark blade and even then he is not that unique. Their unit roster is pretty much 100% complete and fine atm. I have never been a fan of ca scraping the bottom of the lore lore to get weird units like high elf rangers.

TheGuardianOfMetal#3661

ArneSo said:

TheGuardianOfMetal said:

Goatforce said:

TheGuardianOfMetal said:

I pretty much hope that the Skaven ARE NOT in this DLC.

Skaven Should be VS Dwarfs, not WE.

Skaven vs WEs is fine, in fact according to Loremaster of Sotek the only times WEs really intervene outside of AL is vs Skaven, at least to support Bretonnia

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXKqUhLcmHI

I am aware of the video.

Doesn't mean i have to agree with Sotek on this. Skaven Should be VS DWARFS, for obvious reasons.

They really shouldn’t. Dwarfs (and VC) should get 2 crossovers in WH3:
- Dwarfs vs Chaos Dwarfs
- Dwarfs vs Ogres

Why are people so obsessed with a Dwarf vs Skaven LP? Racial rivalries are completely irrelevant at this point.

Because YOU thinkt hey are irrelevant doesn't mean they are. They are flavourful and a major part of Warhammer. Having to wait for WH3 for the Second Dwarf DLC, after CA promised that every race from WH1 would be playable in Vortex, would be a major case of "Az to face".

The Mutator and the Slayer Engineer.

Or The Mutator and the Runelord.

Makes more sense than Throt VS random Wood Elf.

They really should. WE and DE have more of a connection, due to the DE in the end being responsible for the WE existing and Morathi murdering Ariel's sister.

VS Skaven? "They sometimes help the Bretonnians!"... when instead we could have the really fitting match up of Skaven VS Dwarf.

SerPus#7395

natethegreat1112 said:

They really have no cool characters left

The guy who hears the voice of the god of murder is cool.

Neodeinos#5871

I could see the DE being against WE in the next lord pack but they don't have much units left even if you dig deep in the old material.

TheWattman#7460

TheGuardianOfMetal said:

Having to wait for WH3 for the Second Dwarf DLC, after CA promised that every race from WH1 would be playable in Vortex, would be a major case of "Az to face".

Did they specifically promise that EVERYONE would be playable though? Dwarfs are the least suited race to be on the Vortex. Much better claim to WH3 territory

Neodeinos#5871

TheWattman said:

TheGuardianOfMetal said:

Having to wait for WH3 for the Second Dwarf DLC, after CA promised that every race from WH1 would be playable in Vortex, would be a major case of "Az to face".

Did they specifically promise that EVERYONE would be playable though? Dwarfs are the least suited race to be on the Vortex. Much better claim to WH3 territory

Nop they never did.

Captain_Rex#1635

TheGuardianOfMetal said:

ArneSo said:

TheGuardianOfMetal said:

Goatforce said:

TheGuardianOfMetal said:

I pretty much hope that the Skaven ARE NOT in this DLC.

Skaven Should be VS Dwarfs, not WE.

Skaven vs WEs is fine, in fact according to Loremaster of Sotek the only times WEs really intervene outside of AL is vs Skaven, at least to support Bretonnia

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXKqUhLcmHI

I am aware of the video.

Doesn't mean i have to agree with Sotek on this. Skaven Should be VS DWARFS, for obvious reasons.

They really shouldn’t. Dwarfs (and VC) should get 2 crossovers in WH3:
- Dwarfs vs Chaos Dwarfs
- Dwarfs vs Ogres

Why are people so obsessed with a Dwarf vs Skaven LP? Racial rivalries are completely irrelevant at this point.

Because YOU thinkt hey are irrelevant doesn't mean they are. They are flavourful and a major part of Warhammer. Having to wait for WH3 for the Second Dwarf DLC, after CA promised that every race from WH1 would be playable in Vortex, would be a major case of "Az to face".

The Mutator and the Slayer Engineer.

Or The Mutator and the Runelord.

Makes more sense than Throt VS random Wood Elf.

They really should. WE and DE have more of a connection, due to the DE in the end being responsible for the WE existing and Morathi murdering Ariel's sister.

VS Skaven? "They sometimes help the Bretonnians!"... when instead we could have the really fitting match up of Skaven VS Dwarf.

CA thinks they are irrelevant. Just look at the last LPs, none of these were a racial rivalry.

TheGuardianOfMetal#3661

TheWattman said:

TheGuardianOfMetal said:

Having to wait for WH3 for the Second Dwarf DLC, after CA promised that every race from WH1 would be playable in Vortex, would be a major case of "Az to face".

Did they specifically promise that EVERYONE would be playable though? Dwarfs are the least suited race to be on the Vortex. Much better claim to WH3 territory

neodeinos said:

TheWattman said:

TheGuardianOfMetal said:

Having to wait for WH3 for the Second Dwarf DLC, after CA promised that every race from WH1 would be playable in Vortex, would be a major case of "Az to face".

Did they specifically promise that EVERYONE would be playable though? Dwarfs are the least suited race to be on the Vortex. Much better claim to WH3 territory

Nop they never did.

They said their Goal is to have "every WH1 race playable in Vortex"

Goatforce#6625

TheGuardianOfMetal said:

Goatforce said:

TheGuardianOfMetal said:

I pretty much hope that the Skaven ARE NOT in this DLC.

Skaven Should be VS Dwarfs, not WE.

Skaven vs WEs is fine, in fact according to Loremaster of Sotek the only times WEs really intervene outside of AL is vs Skaven, at least to support Bretonnia

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXKqUhLcmHI

I am aware of the video.

Doesn't mean i have to agree with Sotek on this. Skaven Should be VS DWARFS, for obvious reasons.

WE helping Bretonnians vs Rats? woopie, compared to the ancient Grudges against the Raki.

And the WE HAVE helped KF VS beastmen. They have besieged Morathi in Grondh.

An d since hte DLC will probably have little to do with "Supporting bretonnians VS Skaven"... it'd make more sense to have them VS DE (especially considering the accusations of Skaven favouritism that already are there), and then do Skaven VS Dwarfs.

DEs have had 2 packs, as have Skaven. Now yes the quality of additions the Skaven have had is generally higher, but if DEs get a third pack with Skaven at 2 (especially since DEs have no armybook units, just a couple of generic characters whereas Skaven have missing armybook stuff and more missing generic characters and more actually important LL candidates).

Also with regards to the "it has to be Skaven vs Dwarfs", who says that is never going to happen? I think it is quite likely Skaven have 2 LPs left, maybe Thrott will be vs WEs next and at some point in game 3 we will get Thanquol vs a Dwarf character.

It seems very unlikely that any game 1 cores will get a LP addition in this game now, unless the pre-order is a LP, which has no precedent. So saying "it shouldn't be Skaven because they have to be matched up with Dwarfs", seems very odd when it is almost guaranteed Dwarfs aren't getting a pack this game now, so is basically saying "it shouldn't be Skaven because won't be the matchup I want"

TheGuardianOfMetal#3661

Goatforce said:

TheGuardianOfMetal said:

Goatforce said:

TheGuardianOfMetal said:

I pretty much hope that the Skaven ARE NOT in this DLC.

Skaven Should be VS Dwarfs, not WE.

Skaven vs WEs is fine, in fact according to Loremaster of Sotek the only times WEs really intervene outside of AL is vs Skaven, at least to support Bretonnia

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXKqUhLcmHI

I am aware of the video.

Doesn't mean i have to agree with Sotek on this. Skaven Should be VS DWARFS, for obvious reasons.

WE helping Bretonnians vs Rats? woopie, compared to the ancient Grudges against the Raki.

And the WE HAVE helped KF VS beastmen. They have besieged Morathi in Grondh.

An d since hte DLC will probably have little to do with "Supporting bretonnians VS Skaven"... it'd make more sense to have them VS DE (especially considering the accusations of Skaven favouritism that already are there), and then do Skaven VS Dwarfs.

DEs have had 2 packs, as have Skaven. Now yes the quality of additions the Skaven have had is generally higher, but if DEs get a third pack with Skaven at 2 (especially since DEs have no armybook units, just a couple of generic characters whereas Skaven have missing armybook stuff and more missing generic characters and more actually important LL candidates).

Also with regards to the "it has to be Skaven vs Dwarfs", who says that is never going to happen? I think it is quite likely Skaven have 2 LPs left, maybe Thrott will be vs WEs next and at some point in game 3 we will get Thanquol vs a Dwarf character.

It seems very unlikely that any game 1 cores will get a LP addition in this game now, unless the pre-order is a LP, which has no precedent. So saying "it shouldn't be Skaven because they have to be matched up with Dwarfs", seems very odd when it is almost guaranteed Dwarfs aren't getting a pack this game now, so is basically saying "it shouldn't be Skaven because won't be the matchup I want"

Or they could choose Dark Elves with some less interesting stuff to give the WE the chunk of hte budget, would make sense, wouldn't it?

Thanquol, considering Grombrindal and HIS ENEMIES, GOTREK AND FELIX, will probably be a White Dwarf Promotional thing.

The Great Book of Grudges... remains Full..

The Dwarfs got a half baked update, still missing a proper Runic System. The Rune of Wrath and Ruin was neutered into a Rune of SLowness because CA couldn't be bothered to add a proper Rune of Slowness.

CA had said that their Goal is to "Add every WH 1 race to Vortex"

Neodeinos#5871

TheGuardianOfMetal said:

TheWattman said:

TheGuardianOfMetal said:

Having to wait for WH3 for the Second Dwarf DLC, after CA promised that every race from WH1 would be playable in Vortex, would be a major case of "Az to face".

Did they specifically promise that EVERYONE would be playable though? Dwarfs are the least suited race to be on the Vortex. Much better claim to WH3 territory

neodeinos said:

TheWattman said:

TheGuardianOfMetal said:

Having to wait for WH3 for the Second Dwarf DLC, after CA promised that every race from WH1 would be playable in Vortex, would be a major case of "Az to face".

Did they specifically promise that EVERYONE would be playable though? Dwarfs are the least suited race to be on the Vortex. Much better claim to WH3 territory

Nop they never did.

They said their Goal is to have "every WH1 race playable in Vortex"

I'm certain they have never said that.

RikRiorik#9890

I can’t feel any want or need for any of the TWW2 races until there’s been a lot more done for TWW1 races.

SerPus#7395

TheGuardianOfMetal said:

Thanquol, considering Grombrindal and HIS ENEMIES, GOTREK AND FELIX, will probably be a White Dwarf Promotional thing.

Thanquol require bigger budget than Grombrindal and Gotrek combined because of Boneripper

TheGuardianOfMetal#3661

neodeinos said:

TheGuardianOfMetal said:

TheWattman said:

TheGuardianOfMetal said:

Having to wait for WH3 for the Second Dwarf DLC, after CA promised that every race from WH1 would be playable in Vortex, would be a major case of "Az to face".

Did they specifically promise that EVERYONE would be playable though? Dwarfs are the least suited race to be on the Vortex. Much better claim to WH3 territory

neodeinos said:

TheWattman said:

TheGuardianOfMetal said:

Having to wait for WH3 for the Second Dwarf DLC, after CA promised that every race from WH1 would be playable in Vortex, would be a major case of "Az to face".

Did they specifically promise that EVERYONE would be playable though? Dwarfs are the least suited race to be on the Vortex. Much better claim to WH3 territory

Nop they never did.

They said their Goal is to have "every WH1 race playable in Vortex"

I'm certain they have never said that.

I'm certain they have, in a Reddit AMA i think... or maybe one of theior blogs?

Crossil#2134

Goatforce said:

TheGuardianOfMetal said:

I pretty much hope that the Skaven ARE NOT in this DLC.

Skaven Should be VS Dwarfs, not WE.

Skaven vs WEs is fine, in fact according to Loremaster of Sotek the only times WEs really intervene outside of AL is vs Skaven, at least to support Bretonnia

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXKqUhLcmHI

Which is of course wrong as WE have fought DE before. That's how Ariel got screwed over by Morathi. Hell, the same campaign had WE face HE.

Outside of that they intervene to kill Morghur every time he comes back.

Neodeinos#5871

TheGuardianOfMetal said:

neodeinos said:

TheGuardianOfMetal said:

TheWattman said:

TheGuardianOfMetal said:

Having to wait for WH3 for the Second Dwarf DLC, after CA promised that every race from WH1 would be playable in Vortex, would be a major case of "Az to face".

Did they specifically promise that EVERYONE would be playable though? Dwarfs are the least suited race to be on the Vortex. Much better claim to WH3 territory

neodeinos said:

TheWattman said:

TheGuardianOfMetal said:

Having to wait for WH3 for the Second Dwarf DLC, after CA promised that every race from WH1 would be playable in Vortex, would be a major case of "Az to face".

Did they specifically promise that EVERYONE would be playable though? Dwarfs are the least suited race to be on the Vortex. Much better claim to WH3 territory

Nop they never did.

They said their Goal is to have "every WH1 race playable in Vortex"

I'm certain they have never said that.

I'm certain they have, in a Reddit AMA i think... or maybe one of theior blogs?

Closest thing I can recall is that they said every WH1 races will get some love before Warhammer 3, not that they'll all be playable in the Vortex.

TheGuardianOfMetal#3661

neodeinos said:

TheGuardianOfMetal said:

neodeinos said:

TheGuardianOfMetal said:

TheWattman said:

TheGuardianOfMetal said:

Having to wait for WH3 for the Second Dwarf DLC, after CA promised that every race from WH1 would be playable in Vortex, would be a major case of "Az to face".

Did they specifically promise that EVERYONE would be playable though? Dwarfs are the least suited race to be on the Vortex. Much better claim to WH3 territory

neodeinos said:

TheWattman said:

TheGuardianOfMetal said:

Having to wait for WH3 for the Second Dwarf DLC, after CA promised that every race from WH1 would be playable in Vortex, would be a major case of "Az to face".

Did they specifically promise that EVERYONE would be playable though? Dwarfs are the least suited race to be on the Vortex. Much better claim to WH3 territory

Nop they never did.

They said their Goal is to have "every WH1 race playable in Vortex"

I'm certain they have never said that.

I'm certain they have, in a Reddit AMA i think... or maybe one of theior blogs?

Closest thing I can recall is that they said every WH1 races will get some love before Warhammer 3, not that they'll all be playable in the Vortex.

The "love" the Dwarfs got is equivalent to the "Who do you love more, Mommy?" Meme...