Could Norsca be up next?

DavidTWWH#4143

If CA decided to save beastmen for wh3, as I've seen some suggest, could the pre-order DLC focus on Norsca instead?

They'll be the only race with 2 LLs, and I'm sure they fight the Dark Elves / Clan Moulder a lot, plus their rework could be fairly simple, given how good their mechanics already are.

Possible start positions include Albion, a good excuse to expand on the fimir with some new units, Skeggi, known for its cold one riding marauders, and Naggaroth.

As for the lord, Sayl the faithless is mentioned a lot. It could also be another character from the warriors of chaos book, for a playthrough focusing on a specific God, but making up for it with the additional mechanics that typically come with a lord pack.

What would you like to see in the eventual Norsca update?

Captain_Rex#1635

Everything is possible but I doubt it.

1.) Norsca is on the same level as the WH2 races and doesn’t need a rework at this point.

2.) it makes more sense to add Norscan LLs in the Dark Lands, the steppes or the chaos wastes where we have big population of Chaos Marauder tribes.

I think Norsca will get a crossover in WH3 with Sayl the Faithless leading the Dolgans and Crom leading the Kurgan.

RikRiorik#9890

Norsca was always one that I thought could have come both in TWW2 and TWW3. The Vortex has plenty of lands for a Norscan or two to get implemented on. From bog standard Norsca, to Albion, to the north of Naggaroth and all the way down to the Isthmus of Lustria. But entirely satisfied to wait until TWW3 for them too. But considering some of the character placements of previous LPs I think it would have been better to have had a Norscan LP.

I'm not sure what I'd want to see. Not hung up on any particular existing characters making it into the Norscan set up. They do however need more Lord types. Like Shaman Lords, Fimir Lords and maybe even a Skin Wolf Lord. Wouldn't go amiss to have a chieftain hero either.

I generally think that Norsca is in a very fine state both mechanics and unit wise so a bit stumped about what to come up with.

Qwerty55

I just want Norsca to look more like Vikings, as of now they look more like Kurgans than actual Norscans.

DavidTWWH#4143

ArneSo said:

Everything is possible but I doubt it.

1.) Norsca is on the same level as the WH2 races and doesn’t need a rework at this point.

2.) it makes more sense to add Norscan LLs in the Dark Lands, the steppes or the chaos wastes where we have big population of Chaos Marauder tribes.

I think Norsca will get a crossover in WH3 with Sayl the Faithless leading the Dolgans and Crom leading the Kurgan.

I agree, I think Norsca was on par with warhammer 2 races on its original release for warhammer 1, I remember it putting the other races to shame, some even being upset by this. Still, if CA want to expand on them, I'm on board.

RikRiorik said:

I'm not sure what I'd want to see. Not hung up on any particular existing characters making it into the Norscan set up. They do however need more Lord types. Like Shaman Lords, Fimir Lords and maybe even a Skin Wolf Lord. Wouldn't go amiss to have a chieftain hero either.

I generally think that Norsca is in a very fine state both mechanics and unit wise so a bit stumped about what to come up with.

Yeah generic lords and heroes are the one stand out omission. To be fair I thought the same about wood elves, but here we are. Personally I'd like to see more fimir.

DavidTWWH#4143

Qwerty55 said:

I just want Norsca to look more like Vikings, as of now they look more like Kurgans than actual Norscans.

This is interesting, I haven't heard it before. I don't know much about the Kurgans, how are they different from norscans?

Captain_Rex#1635

Iokko said:

Qwerty55 said:

I just want Norsca to look more like Vikings, as of now they look more like Kurgans than actual Norscans.

This is interesting, I haven't heard it before. I don't know much about the Kurgans, how are they different from norscans?

While Norscans are Fantasy Vikings, Kurgan are fantasy Scythians/Sarmatians.

Then we have the Mung which are fantasy Mongolians/Huns. So also Steppe nomads but lore „asian“ looking.

Kurgan are more fanatic in their worshipping of Chaos and have more mutations than Norscans.

I would love to see the Kurgan as their own race, but that would be to difficult since there is not much content left for them. So it would make sense to represent the Kurgan (and Mung) as Norscans as one big Chaos Marauder Race.

DavidTWWH#4143

Interesting, I guess I'm not that into the whole steppe nomad thing, but CA have surprised me time and time again, so who knows, maybe they'd be fun!

Ninaran#8122

The only thing Norsca really needs is for chaos corruption to actually.. do something.

And I assume that'll come with the WH3 general Chaos overhaul.

Jman5#8318

I hope so. We're missing a Norsca playable lord for the vortex campaign and it would likely provide some much needed conflict to Ulthuan and Naggaroth.

Now, if only we could have ToB style naval invasions on coastal settlements, it would really make Norsca fun.

DavidTWWH#4143

Jman5 said:

I hope so. We're missing a Norsca playable lord for the vortex campaign and it would likely provide some much needed conflict to Ulthuan and Naggaroth.

Now, if only we could have ToB style naval invasions on coastal settlements, it would really make Norsca fun.

Do you mean naval battles or does ToB have better AI naval invasions overall? If this is the case, I'd love to see it implemented.

Captain_Rex#1635

Jman5 said:

I hope so. We're missing a Norsca playable lord for the vortex campaign and it would likely provide some much needed conflict to Ulthuan and Naggaroth.

Now, if only we could have ToB style naval invasions on coastal settlements, it would really make Norsca fun.

1. Norscans only have proper Settlements in Norsca
2. Norsca is not on the Vortex map
3. Norscans don’t make sense to be on the Vortex map

Jman5#8318

Iokko said:

Jman5 said:

I hope so. We're missing a Norsca playable lord for the vortex campaign and it would likely provide some much needed conflict to Ulthuan and Naggaroth.

Now, if only we could have ToB style naval invasions on coastal settlements, it would really make Norsca fun.

Do you mean naval battles or does ToB have better AI naval invasions overall? If this is the case, I'd love to see it implemented.

I don't really care about ship vs ship combat, or troops fighting other troops on ships. It always felt a little clunky. What I really want are coastal battles where the attackers start out on ships and you get those dramatic beach landings. Thrones of Britannia isn't the only one that does this, but they're the ones with vikings.

It really opens up possibilities and allows for creative map design when waterways are playing such key role in the map terrain.

Ares354#1090

ArneSo said:

Jman5 said:

I hope so. We're missing a Norsca playable lord for the vortex campaign and it would likely provide some much needed conflict to Ulthuan and Naggaroth.

Now, if only we could have ToB style naval invasions on coastal settlements, it would really make Norsca fun.

1. Norscans only have proper Settlements in Norsca
2. Norsca is not on the Vortex map
3. Norscans don’t make sense to be on the Vortex map

3. Empire never had settlements in Lustria
4. Empire never was on Vortex map
5. Empire don't make sense to be on Vortex

Yet, we got Hunter and Beast. So I would never say something make no sense with CA. That ship sunked long ago.

Ferestor#5771

ArneSo said:

Jman5 said:

I hope so. We're missing a Norsca playable lord for the vortex campaign and it would likely provide some much needed conflict to Ulthuan and Naggaroth.

Now, if only we could have ToB style naval invasions on coastal settlements, it would really make Norsca fun.

1. Norscans only have proper Settlements in Norsca
2. Norsca is not on the Vortex map
3. Norscans don’t make sense to be on the Vortex map

Albion is on Vortex, which could count as Norsca.

Jman5#8318

ArneSo said:

Jman5 said:

I hope so. We're missing a Norsca playable lord for the vortex campaign and it would likely provide some much needed conflict to Ulthuan and Naggaroth.

Now, if only we could have ToB style naval invasions on coastal settlements, it would really make Norsca fun.

1. Norscans only have proper Settlements in Norsca
2. Norsca is not on the Vortex map
3. Norscans don’t make sense to be on the Vortex map

???

makar55

Jman5 said:

ArneSo said:

Jman5 said:

I hope so. We're missing a Norsca playable lord for the vortex campaign and it would likely provide some much needed conflict to Ulthuan and Naggaroth.

Now, if only we could have ToB style naval invasions on coastal settlements, it would really make Norsca fun.

1. Norscans only have proper Settlements in Norsca
2. Norsca is not on the Vortex map
3. Norscans don’t make sense to be on the Vortex map

???

I guess the guy did not play the Vortex at all.

mightygloin#2446

Norsca is just an offshoot of chaos which means they would benefit from WH3.

Captain_Rex#1635

Ferestor said:

ArneSo said:

Jman5 said:

I hope so. We're missing a Norsca playable lord for the vortex campaign and it would likely provide some much needed conflict to Ulthuan and Naggaroth.

Now, if only we could have ToB style naval invasions on coastal settlements, it would really make Norsca fun.

1. Norscans only have proper Settlements in Norsca
2. Norsca is not on the Vortex map
3. Norscans don’t make sense to be on the Vortex map

Albion is on Vortex, which could count as Norsca.

Jman5 said:

ArneSo said:

Jman5 said:

I hope so. We're missing a Norsca playable lord for the vortex campaign and it would likely provide some much needed conflict to Ulthuan and Naggaroth.

Now, if only we could have ToB style naval invasions on coastal settlements, it would really make Norsca fun.

1. Norscans only have proper Settlements in Norsca
2. Norsca is not on the Vortex map
3. Norscans don’t make sense to be on the Vortex map

???

These are 3 provinces. Have fun if that’s all you can get as proper settlements...

Captain_Rex#1635

makar55 said:

Jman5 said:

ArneSo said:

Jman5 said:

I hope so. We're missing a Norsca playable lord for the vortex campaign and it would likely provide some much needed conflict to Ulthuan and Naggaroth.

Now, if only we could have ToB style naval invasions on coastal settlements, it would really make Norsca fun.

1. Norscans only have proper Settlements in Norsca
2. Norsca is not on the Vortex map
3. Norscans don’t make sense to be on the Vortex map

???

I guess the guy did not play the Vortex at all.

These are only 3 Provinces.

DavidTWWH#4143

I don't know, I feel like the lack of provinces in Norsca proper wouldn't be a problem. We're only talking about one lord, and so many lords already start so far from home... The whole point of cross game packs is to put old races up against the new ones.

Again, Albion, Skeggi, Naggaroth come to mind as obvious start positions.

Captain_Rex#1635

Iokko said:

I don't know, I feel like the lack of provinces in Norsca proper wouldn't be a problem. We're only talking about one lord, and so many lords already start so far from home... The whole point of cross game packs is to put old races up against the new ones.

Again, Albion, Skeggi, Naggaroth come to mind as obvious start positions.

My point is that it simply fits way better for WH3 where we have the Dark Lands, the Steppes and the Chaos Wastes. Areas populated by many many chaos tribes.

That’s also just one argument against Norsca in WH2.

DavidTWWH#4143

Fair enough.

kevManiac#4754

ArneSo said:

Ferestor said:

ArneSo said:

Jman5 said:

I hope so. We're missing a Norsca playable lord for the vortex campaign and it would likely provide some much needed conflict to Ulthuan and Naggaroth.

Now, if only we could have ToB style naval invasions on coastal settlements, it would really make Norsca fun.

1. Norscans only have proper Settlements in Norsca
2. Norsca is not on the Vortex map
3. Norscans don’t make sense to be on the Vortex map

Albion is on Vortex, which could count as Norsca.

Jman5 said:

ArneSo said:

Jman5 said:

I hope so. We're missing a Norsca playable lord for the vortex campaign and it would likely provide some much needed conflict to Ulthuan and Naggaroth.

Now, if only we could have ToB style naval invasions on coastal settlements, it would really make Norsca fun.

1. Norscans only have proper Settlements in Norsca
2. Norsca is not on the Vortex map
3. Norscans don’t make sense to be on the Vortex map

???

These are 3 provinces. Have fun if that’s all you can get as proper settlements...

Just my two cents, Vampire Coast had 1 province before the Vampire Coast DLC...

Edit: forget my comment, people pointed out that Norsca can't settle anywhere truly except Norscan settlements

Jman5#8318

ArneSo said:

Ferestor said:

ArneSo said:

Jman5 said:

I hope so. We're missing a Norsca playable lord for the vortex campaign and it would likely provide some much needed conflict to Ulthuan and Naggaroth.

Now, if only we could have ToB style naval invasions on coastal settlements, it would really make Norsca fun.

1. Norscans only have proper Settlements in Norsca
2. Norsca is not on the Vortex map
3. Norscans don’t make sense to be on the Vortex map

Albion is on Vortex, which could count as Norsca.

Jman5 said:

ArneSo said:

Jman5 said:

I hope so. We're missing a Norsca playable lord for the vortex campaign and it would likely provide some much needed conflict to Ulthuan and Naggaroth.

Now, if only we could have ToB style naval invasions on coastal settlements, it would really make Norsca fun.

1. Norscans only have proper Settlements in Norsca
2. Norsca is not on the Vortex map
3. Norscans don’t make sense to be on the Vortex map

???

These are 3 provinces. Have fun if that’s all you can get as proper settlements...

Moving the goalpost I see.

With a new lord and a rework you can craft a faction in a way that works for the Vortex map. Markus Wulfhart is a perfect example of that.

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DavidTWWH#4143

That's interesting, most people dislike the horde gameplay, I actually found Norsca to be more enjoyable than the full on horde races. Granted, I wish their settlements were more defendable.

Could you elaborate on what you dislike about their play style? Is it something that could be improved by a rework?

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Arthas_Menethil#3421

kevManiac said:

ArneSo said:

Ferestor said:

ArneSo said:

Jman5 said:

I hope so. We're missing a Norsca playable lord for the vortex campaign and it would likely provide some much needed conflict to Ulthuan and Naggaroth.

Now, if only we could have ToB style naval invasions on coastal settlements, it would really make Norsca fun.

1. Norscans only have proper Settlements in Norsca
2. Norsca is not on the Vortex map
3. Norscans don’t make sense to be on the Vortex map

Albion is on Vortex, which could count as Norsca.

Jman5 said:

ArneSo said:

Jman5 said:

I hope so. We're missing a Norsca playable lord for the vortex campaign and it would likely provide some much needed conflict to Ulthuan and Naggaroth.

Now, if only we could have ToB style naval invasions on coastal settlements, it would really make Norsca fun.

1. Norscans only have proper Settlements in Norsca
2. Norsca is not on the Vortex map
3. Norscans don’t make sense to be on the Vortex map

???

These are 3 provinces. Have fun if that’s all you can get as proper settlements...

Just my two cents, Vampire Coast had 1 province before the Vampire Coast DLC...

I think that's more of a misreading as it's that Norsca can only settle those provinces while the Vampire Coast doesn't have that race restriction in either version (Vampire Count placeholder and Vampire Coast race.

Though TBh I think the Beastmen are more likely then Norsca for a race touch up after the Wood Elves.

Captain_Rex#1635

kevManiac said:

ArneSo said:

Ferestor said:

ArneSo said:

Jman5 said:

I hope so. We're missing a Norsca playable lord for the vortex campaign and it would likely provide some much needed conflict to Ulthuan and Naggaroth.

Now, if only we could have ToB style naval invasions on coastal settlements, it would really make Norsca fun.

1. Norscans only have proper Settlements in Norsca
2. Norsca is not on the Vortex map
3. Norscans don’t make sense to be on the Vortex map

Albion is on Vortex, which could count as Norsca.

Jman5 said:

ArneSo said:

Jman5 said:

I hope so. We're missing a Norsca playable lord for the vortex campaign and it would likely provide some much needed conflict to Ulthuan and Naggaroth.

Now, if only we could have ToB style naval invasions on coastal settlements, it would really make Norsca fun.

1. Norscans only have proper Settlements in Norsca
2. Norsca is not on the Vortex map
3. Norscans don’t make sense to be on the Vortex map

???

These are 3 provinces. Have fun if that’s all you can get as proper settlements...

Just my two cents, Vampire Coast had 1 province before the Vampire Coast DLC...

Yes and they can settle everywhere. Norsca can only settle in Norsca and build those little outposts in port settlements.

RikRiorik#9890

ArneSo said:

kevManiac said:

ArneSo said:

Ferestor said:

ArneSo said:

Jman5 said:

I hope so. We're missing a Norsca playable lord for the vortex campaign and it would likely provide some much needed conflict to Ulthuan and Naggaroth.

Now, if only we could have ToB style naval invasions on coastal settlements, it would really make Norsca fun.

1. Norscans only have proper Settlements in Norsca
2. Norsca is not on the Vortex map
3. Norscans don’t make sense to be on the Vortex map

Albion is on Vortex, which could count as Norsca.

Jman5 said:

ArneSo said:

Jman5 said:

I hope so. We're missing a Norsca playable lord for the vortex campaign and it would likely provide some much needed conflict to Ulthuan and Naggaroth.

Now, if only we could have ToB style naval invasions on coastal settlements, it would really make Norsca fun.

1. Norscans only have proper Settlements in Norsca
2. Norsca is not on the Vortex map
3. Norscans don’t make sense to be on the Vortex map

???

These are 3 provinces. Have fun if that’s all you can get as proper settlements...

Just my two cents, Vampire Coast had 1 province before the Vampire Coast DLC...

Yes and they can settle everywhere. Norsca can only settle in Norsca and build those little outposts in port settlements.

Don't forget settling in racial capitals.