TW Savage Edition and what it could mean for the pre-order

Ferestor#5771

Hey guys,

i think i talk for all of you that we we're surprised by the announcement for the new savage edition for WH1. Especially after they have announced that the WE will be in the next DLC.

So that's got me thinking, what is CA plaining with this Edition?

If we look at the state of WH2 and the races we see that all races from WH1 have gotten there rework except the chaos faction BM, WoC and Norsca. Norsca in my opinion doesn't even need a massiv rework.

And what are we getting in this edition? the 2 chaos faction that are in dire need of an rework. Coincidence? I think not.

I think that CA is here teasing us the pre-order for WH3. Here's my argumentation:

1. We know that WH3 will feature chaos heavily. There will be the demons of Chaos (undivided or mono doesn't matter here), most likely the chaos dwarfs and also most likely the ogre kingdoms.
2. They have said that they would like to bring all WH1 races to WH2 standard before WH3. That would leave BM, Norsca and WoC.
3. We know that all DLC for WH2 must feature a SP in Vortex. The map is nearly full except the north of the map, where , surprise the chaos waste is.
4. In my opinion the biggest problem BM and WoC have is the horde mechanic which at the moment doesn't work.
5. And last what would be better to get the hype for chaos up if we could play as more chaos LL.


So with that said here is my idea for the pre-order which would be a LP.

The Bloodbeast and the Gorequeen

The Beastmen with Taurox the Brass Bull against Valkia the Bloody for the Warriors of Chaos. A pure chaos themed LP that would update both faction to WH2 maybe even WH3 standard. They should satrt both in the north with Taurox in the west of Naggarond and Valkia in the east. This would challenge the DE and even the HE in Ulthan if Valkia choose to go south.

The 2 reworkes could be done at the same time, because they play very a like and i think that WoC would benefit form the DoC from WH3.

Unit wise i will not go in to, because they both have enough for more DLC's.

If CA would choose the same direction like thy are doing with the WE then i think we could get a Norsca FLC for owners of WH1,WH2 and Norsca DLC. Norsca is here my choice because i think they don't need a massiv rework. Maybe a few tweaks ut not a massive overhaul. Also they would fit the chaos theme.
My LL choice here would be Egil Styrbjorn with Skaeling. He would fit well in Vortex as an enemy for Ulthan in the north-east.

And for all WH2 owner who doesn't buy the pre-order would get the last missing LL for core races of WH2. Which in my opinion would be a DE Lord, who also would fit the "chaos" theme. My choice here would be Rakarth.

The only downside of my idea is that only the Dwarfs and Vampire Counts will be missing out the Vortex campaign. But with WH3 announcement probably in this year there is no time for a DLC for those 2 factions.

So what do you guys think of this? Would you buy my idea or would you like a different LL? What are your thoughts on the Savage Edition?

Pocman#6295

Makes a lot of sense.

My bet was WE v BM and chaos warriors as preorder, but this makes sense too.


Another option could be a triple threat DLC with Norsca, WOC and BM.

Ferestor#5771

Pocman said:

Makes a lot of sense.

My bet was WE v BM and chaos warriors as preorder, but this makes sense too.


Another option could be a triple threat DLC with Norsca, WOC and BM.

I think Norsca doesn't need a full DLC because they are WH2 standard. Maybe in WH3 they could get one. That's why i choose to make the Nosrca LL a FLC for owner of the previous DLC.

55JoNNo#4925

A BM v WoC pack makes a lot of sense. Both vying for the attention of the gods and ushering in the demons of game 3. Not forgetting that Beastmen loathe the human worshippers of Chaos and the Warriors of Chaos view the Beastmen as the red headed step children of the gods.

DavidTWWH#4143

Ferestor said:

So with that said here is my idea for the pre-order which would be a LP.

The Bloodbeast and the Gorequeen

The Beastmen with Taurox the Brass Bull against Valkia the Bloody for the Warriors of Chaos. A pure chaos themed LP that would update both faction to WH2 maybe even WH3 standard. They should satrt both in the north with Taurox in the west of Naggarond and Valkia in the east. This would challenge the DE and even the HE in Ulthan if Valkia choose to go south.
with WH3 announcement probably in this year there is no time for a DLC for those 2 factions.

I would buy this faster than the two of them together could slaughter their way through a Bretonnian village.

However... I would prefer that CA do one rework at a time, really focus on each race, give them some good FLC content as well like they're doing the wood elves, and really bring them up to par with any warhammer 2 race.

I don't expect the exact same amount of content for each race, but by the end of the trilogy they should all feel like they're part of the core experience, not an extra, not an afterthought.

Ferestor#5771

goliath55 said:

A BM v WoC pack makes a lot of sense. Both vying for the attention of the gods and ushering in the demons of game 3. Not forgetting that Beastmen loathe the human worshippers of Chaos and the Warriors of Chaos view the Beastmen as the red headed step children of the gods.

Didn't know about that! Know it's make even more sense ^^

AxiosXiphos#9040

Ferestor said:

goliath55 said:

A BM v WoC pack makes a lot of sense. Both vying for the attention of the gods and ushering in the demons of game 3. Not forgetting that Beastmen loathe the human worshippers of Chaos and the Warriors of Chaos view the Beastmen as the red headed step children of the gods.

Didn't know about that! Know it's make even more sense ^^

While this sounds good - i think we will see a total overhaul of how chaos works in game 3 and I doubt we will see either of these races reworked before then.

Tayvar

It does not matters who need a rework more, the Wood Elves also needed it less than the Beastmen.

Ferestor#5771

Tayvar said:

It does not matters who need a rework more, the Wood Elves also needed it less than the Beastmen.

Your opinion. I think the WE needed it more. But i don't like them so i'm probably a bit biased.

Tayvar

Ferestor said:

Tayvar said:

It does not matters who need a rework more, the Wood Elves also needed it less than the Beastmen.

Your opinion. I think the WE needed it more. But i don't like them so I'm probably a bit biased.

Based on your forum picture I was sure that you are a huge beastmen fan, oh well.

AxiosXiphos#9040

Tayvar said:

Ferestor said:

Tayvar said:

It does not matters who need a rework more, the Wood Elves also needed it less than the Beastmen.

Your opinion. I think the WE needed it more. But i don't like them so I'm probably a bit biased.

Based on your forum picture I was sure that you are a huge beastmen fan, oh well.

Us Dogs of War fans have had our forum avatars since game 1.... still waiting haha.

Timpeyo#7210

Yeah I had this idea before as an LP but I think Tullaris deserves to be the Flc to finish off DE and it would fit a theme off worshipers off blood God's. Did a few units I thought would fit both Taurox and Valkia

https://forums.totalwar.com/discussion/269074/whats-your-next-lp-wish/p1

A preorder LP would be interesting but I'm wondering if they won't just do a huge update for both BM and WoC for all god's at this point with game threes arrival

scope7272

It's probably just pressure from Sega to get something tangible in certain markets that still buy off the shelf. They see the metrics and that those markets still do well with physical releases etc. Then they look at the DLCs that are struggling and voila "Savage Edition". We aren't their intended targets for this and that's why they're not really pushing it on us.

Sega may also have certain partnerships with certain retailers blah blah.

Anyway, I wouldn't think too much into it.

Djau#5149

An LP as a preorder bonus would be sheer lazy. We got a new Race for Game 1 and Game 2. Why not now?

Captain_Rex#1635

Amonkhet said:

An LP as a preorder bonus would be sheer lazy. We got a new Race for Game 1 and Game 2. Why not now?

There is nothing left really. Both Kislev and DoW should either be a core race or a 20€ campaign pack. The only thing I could see for a cheap 10€ preorder race would be Legions of Nagash, but this makes only sense if it’s for WH3 and not for the Vortex map.

saweendra#3399

There is no bretonnia in this. I don't like it.

Captain_Rex#1635

kasunrathnatunga said:

There is no bretonnia in this. I don't like it.

How should the preorder bonus have anything to do with Bretonnia?

saweendra#3399

ArneSo said:

kasunrathnatunga said:

There is no bretonnia in this. I don't like it.

How should the preorder bonus have anything to do with Bretonnia?

If it is lord pack should put brets as the opposition for all chaos races.

Captain_Rex#1635

kasunrathnatunga said:

ArneSo said:

kasunrathnatunga said:

There is no bretonnia in this. I don't like it.

How should the preorder bonus have anything to do with Bretonnia?

If it is lord pack should put brets as the opposition for all chaos races.

It really shouldn’t

saweendra#3399

ArneSo said:

kasunrathnatunga said:

ArneSo said:

kasunrathnatunga said:

There is no bretonnia in this. I don't like it.

How should the preorder bonus have anything to do with Bretonnia?

If it is lord pack should put brets as the opposition for all chaos races.

It really shouldn’t

Knights of the bretonnia shall be the lance that smite the chaos filth.

Ferestor#5771

Amonkhet said:

An LP as a preorder bonus would be sheer lazy. We got a new Race for Game 1 and Game 2. Why not now?

Which race would that be?

Kislev will most likely be a core race for WH3.

DoW possible but map is full for 4 new LL. And 4 LL are the new standard for race packs.

Commissar_G#7535

ArneSo said:

Amonkhet said:

An LP as a preorder bonus would be sheer lazy. We got a new Race for Game 1 and Game 2. Why not now?

There is nothing left really. Both Kislev and DoW should either be a core race or a 20€ campaign pack. The only thing I could see for a cheap 10€ preorder race would be Legions of Nagash, but this makes only sense if it’s for WH3 and not for the Vortex map.

Hobgoblins.

Crossil#2134

ArneSo said:

Amonkhet said:

An LP as a preorder bonus would be sheer lazy. We got a new Race for Game 1 and Game 2. Why not now?

There is nothing left really. Both Kislev and DoW should either be a core race or a 20€ campaign pack. The only thing I could see for a cheap 10€ preorder race would be Legions of Nagash, but this makes only sense if it’s for WH3 and not for the Vortex map.

I think you vastly overestimate DoW. Sure, they have a specific aesthetic and a couple of unique units but by and large I wouldn't expect them to be as demanding as others. I would argue the same with Kislev but that is subject to change depending on the Old World stuff they get so it's hard to tell.

In this respect I don't really see DoW that much different than Norsca. They could go for a somewhat more ambitious take than Norsca but DoW would still not be as demanding. And even then it's possible to add a lord pack later for DoW if they really can't get everything done with a singular release, although I guess that's stretching it.

Still, a 4 LL race pack isn't something I would discount simply because of WoC and Norsca. If anything, the fact that WoC had 3 LLs while requiring everything for it be made from nothing is a strong indication that it isn't so clear.

AxiosXiphos#9040

Tayvar said:

Ferestor said:

Tayvar said:

It does not matters who need a rework more, the Wood Elves also needed it less than the Beastmen.

Your opinion. I think the WE needed it more. But i don't like them so I'm probably a bit biased.

Based on your forum picture I was sure that you are a huge beastmen fan, oh well.

Us Dogs of War fans have had our forum avatars since game 1.... still waiting haha.

Crossil said:

ArneSo said:

Amonkhet said:

An LP as a preorder bonus would be sheer lazy. We got a new Race for Game 1 and Game 2. Why not now?

There is nothing left really. Both Kislev and DoW should either be a core race or a 20€ campaign pack. The only thing I could see for a cheap 10€ preorder race would be Legions of Nagash, but this makes only sense if it’s for WH3 and not for the Vortex map.

I think you vastly overestimate DoW. Sure, they have a specific aesthetic and a couple of unique units but by and large I wouldn't expect them to be as demanding as others. I would argue the same with Kislev but that is subject to change depending on the Old World stuff they get so it's hard to tell.

In this respect I don't really see DoW that much different than Norsca. They could go for a somewhat more ambitious take than Norsca but DoW would still not be as demanding. And even then it's possible to add a lord pack later for DoW if they really can't get everything done with a singular release, although I guess that's stretching it.

Still, a 4 LL race pack isn't something I would discount simply because of WoC and Norsca. If anything, the fact that WoC had 3 LLs while requiring everything for it be made from nothing is a strong indication that it isn't so clear.

As much as I'd love DoW to be a core or campaign pack I have to be realistic. Their inclusion in the series is already starting to look pretty doubtful. Norsca was done surprisingly well for a race pack and I'd be happy just to get DoW in the game in any form.

Having said that I think kislev are the pre-order, possibly with Warhammer 1 thrown in. A great way to get everyone on track and ready for Warhammer 3 just by pre-ordering the next game.

RomeoReject#1666

Ferestor said:

Hey guys,

i think i talk for all of you that we we're surprised by the announcement for the new savage edition for WH1. Especially after they have announced that the WE will be in the next DLC.

So that's got me thinking, what is CA plaining with this Edition?

If we look at the state of WH2 and the races we see that all races from WH1 have gotten there rework except the chaos faction BM, WoC and Norsca. Norsca in my opinion doesn't even need a massiv rework.

And what are we getting in this edition? the 2 chaos faction that are in dire need of an rework. Coincidence? I think not.

I think that CA is here teasing us the pre-order for WH3. Here's my argumentation:

1. We know that WH3 will feature chaos heavily. There will be the demons of Chaos (undivided or mono doesn't matter here), most likely the chaos dwarfs and also most likely the ogre kingdoms.
2. They have said that they would like to bring all WH1 races to WH2 standard before WH3. That would leave BM, Norsca and WoC.
3. We know that all DLC for WH2 must feature a SP in Vortex. The map is nearly full except the north of the map, where , surprise the chaos waste is.
4. In my opinion the biggest problem BM and WoC have is the horde mechanic which at the moment doesn't work.
5. And last what would be better to get the hype for chaos up if we could play as more chaos LL.


So with that said here is my idea for the pre-order which would be a LP.

The Bloodbeast and the Gorequeen

The Beastmen with Taurox the Brass Bull against Valkia the Bloody for the Warriors of Chaos. A pure chaos themed LP that would update both faction to WH2 maybe even WH3 standard. They should satrt both in the north with Taurox in the west of Naggarond and Valkia in the east. This would challenge the DE and even the HE in Ulthan if Valkia choose to go south.

The 2 reworkes could be done at the same time, because they play very a like and i think that WoC would benefit form the DoC from WH3.

Unit wise i will not go in to, because they both have enough for more DLC's.

If CA would choose the same direction like thy are doing with the WE then i think we could get a Norsca FLC for owners of WH1,WH2 and Norsca DLC. Norsca is here my choice because i think they don't need a massiv rework. Maybe a few tweaks ut not a massive overhaul. Also they would fit the chaos theme.
My LL choice here would be Egil Styrbjorn with Skaeling. He would fit well in Vortex as an enemy for Ulthan in the north-east.

And for all WH2 owner who doesn't buy the pre-order would get the last missing LL for core races of WH2. Which in my opinion would be a DE Lord, who also would fit the "chaos" theme. My choice here would be Rakarth.

The only downside of my idea is that only the Dwarfs and Vampire Counts will be missing out the Vortex campaign. But with WH3 announcement probably in this year there is no time for a DLC for those 2 factions.

So what do you guys think of this? Would you buy my idea or would you like a different LL? What are your thoughts on the Savage Edition?

...Would this not render much of the value of the Savage Edition pointless? One of the two would be a good way to get people to spring for the Savage Edition, but if I get both Beastmen and Warriors from the Lord Pack, why would I pay the premium for Savage Edition when I could just buy base Warhammer 1 instead?

Crossil#2134

RomeoReject said:

Ferestor said:

Hey guys,

i think i talk for all of you that we we're surprised by the announcement for the new savage edition for WH1. Especially after they have announced that the WE will be in the next DLC.

So that's got me thinking, what is CA plaining with this Edition?

If we look at the state of WH2 and the races we see that all races from WH1 have gotten there rework except the chaos faction BM, WoC and Norsca. Norsca in my opinion doesn't even need a massiv rework.

And what are we getting in this edition? the 2 chaos faction that are in dire need of an rework. Coincidence? I think not.

I think that CA is here teasing us the pre-order for WH3. Here's my argumentation:

1. We know that WH3 will feature chaos heavily. There will be the demons of Chaos (undivided or mono doesn't matter here), most likely the chaos dwarfs and also most likely the ogre kingdoms.
2. They have said that they would like to bring all WH1 races to WH2 standard before WH3. That would leave BM, Norsca and WoC.
3. We know that all DLC for WH2 must feature a SP in Vortex. The map is nearly full except the north of the map, where , surprise the chaos waste is.
4. In my opinion the biggest problem BM and WoC have is the horde mechanic which at the moment doesn't work.
5. And last what would be better to get the hype for chaos up if we could play as more chaos LL.


So with that said here is my idea for the pre-order which would be a LP.

The Bloodbeast and the Gorequeen

The Beastmen with Taurox the Brass Bull against Valkia the Bloody for the Warriors of Chaos. A pure chaos themed LP that would update both faction to WH2 maybe even WH3 standard. They should satrt both in the north with Taurox in the west of Naggarond and Valkia in the east. This would challenge the DE and even the HE in Ulthan if Valkia choose to go south.

The 2 reworkes could be done at the same time, because they play very a like and i think that WoC would benefit form the DoC from WH3.

Unit wise i will not go in to, because they both have enough for more DLC's.

If CA would choose the same direction like thy are doing with the WE then i think we could get a Norsca FLC for owners of WH1,WH2 and Norsca DLC. Norsca is here my choice because i think they don't need a massiv rework. Maybe a few tweaks ut not a massive overhaul. Also they would fit the chaos theme.
My LL choice here would be Egil Styrbjorn with Skaeling. He would fit well in Vortex as an enemy for Ulthan in the north-east.

And for all WH2 owner who doesn't buy the pre-order would get the last missing LL for core races of WH2. Which in my opinion would be a DE Lord, who also would fit the "chaos" theme. My choice here would be Rakarth.

The only downside of my idea is that only the Dwarfs and Vampire Counts will be missing out the Vortex campaign. But with WH3 announcement probably in this year there is no time for a DLC for those 2 factions.

So what do you guys think of this? Would you buy my idea or would you like a different LL? What are your thoughts on the Savage Edition?

...Would this not render much of the value of the Savage Edition pointless? One of the two would be a good way to get people to spring for the Savage Edition, but if I get both Beastmen and Warriors from the Lord Pack, why would I pay the premium for Savage Edition when I could just buy base Warhammer 1 instead?

I think you answered your own question. It's there for those who don't know what's to come.